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- ZippidyDoo, on 10/12/2007, -10/+76Because nothing about beryl is useless.
- Majin, on 10/12/2007, -3/+36yay yet another fragmented project that should just be a featureset of something better ...
- eplawless, on 10/12/2007, -0/+25This is cool. Compiz is all like =D and Metisse is all like :-[
- estvir, on 10/12/2007, -7/+30As opposed to wobbly windows and snow ? :o
Sorry, I just find it painfully hypocritical and funny when someone uses their imagination to call Beryl more useful than a comparable WM. - wisam, on 10/12/2007, -0/+23The interesting part in the submitted video is around 2:16 mins into the video.
- rudy23, on 10/12/2007, -2/+24yay for great features.
nay for crappy background score. - blapierre, on 10/12/2007, -7/+29Can someone explain to me why I would want my windows to be upside down?
- pahoehoe, on 10/12/2007, -1/+22@blapierre
Limited usefulness for sure, but if you're sitting across from somebody at a table and you want to show them something on your tablet / laptop (the screen on mine lays flat), while at the same time make changes, then this could be useful. I've certainly been in situations where I would have used it. - wisam, on 10/12/2007, -2/+20Here's Metisse website
http://insitu.lri.fr/metisse/
An even more interesting video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AT89IOci5FA&NR - dimension128, on 10/12/2007, -5/+21Actually being ably to rotate a window while drawing would be very useful, for the same reasons people rotate a physical sheet of paper while drawing.
(You tablet toting oekaki regulars know what I'm talking about here.) - xevidentx, on 10/12/2007, -5/+21yawn
- metalhead3767, on 10/12/2007, -11/+24I'll stick with beryl. This stuff seams more useless. Being able to flip and distort the windows doesn't help much with productivity.
- pixelmixer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12this just seems more like a feature that would be added into beryl rather than something that would replace it IMO.
- MeltedUFO, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11@blapierre
Did you ever see the beginning of "The Island" where the owner told Lincoln to sign something on his computer/table? This could be very interesting. - metalhead3767, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14Yea. Some stuff in beryl is useless (snow, rain) Some of it is not (the cube, window scaling). This just seams more useless.
- perrupa, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11This isn't for everyone. as the site ( http://insitu.lri.fr/metisse/ ) says this project serves two purposes
1. make it easy for HCI researchers to design and implement innovative window management techniques
2. conform to existing standards and be robust and efficient enough to be used on a daily basis, making it a suitable platform for the evaluation of the proposed techniques.
Please note that the everyday use is for that of evaluation and not the use of the average user. This WM has been created to design and test new developments in the field of HCI (Human Computer Interaction) not to give some nerd a hard on a by wobbling a video window on the edge of a cube covered in raindrops. - pozzoe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+101. you are fooling yourself if you think games are "all that matters"
2. You are fooling yourself if you think the GUI has anything to do with the gaming capabilities of an OS - custerfluck, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12@patosan
"Can Beryl do this?"
No, but I was so bored watching this video I had to make it wobble, spin the desktop cube and turn on the rain. I sure was glad to watch xine burn down when I closed out of that video! - thekidder, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10It seems when any Linux related article comes out, there are always people complaining about how bad Linux is, how it doesn't have good enough applications, etc, etc. I use Ubuntu on my laptop and XP on my desktop, and I don't try to convince people to switch to one or the other. Use whatever OS you like: Windows, Mac OS X, Linux, BSD, DOS, whatever. But don't bitch about the ones you don't use...
- geminitojanus, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11Hmm, I wonder /why/ Metisse is this, could it be because it's a research project?
Metisse was designed with the thought of "how can we make the 3D desktop practical?", Compiz was designed with "OOOO SPARKLES" crowd in mind. This is why Project Looking Glass is also very often overlooked, although it has had many of the main features expressed here for ages. These people are the ones who are trying to make it useful, and not just fun.
I've still got my own reservations and think there is a lot more work to be done to truly bring either project to fruition, but don't discount Metisse because it isn't Compiz; critisize Compiz because it's not attempting to be Metisse (aka Useful). - concertina, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Metisse is three years old. Most of the features in metisse have been stable for the past year. They certainly predate spaces.
- Ademan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8As someone said before ALL of this could be implemented as a beryl plugin. The only thing I liked about this desktop was the way they presented the pager (switching between virtual desktops) I think it's much better than the cube personally, but I can't imagine it will be long before a similar plugin for beryl comes out so I don't see the point in this...
- xmichael, on 10/12/2007, -8/+15That is some sweet porno music!
- patosan, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9Can Beryl do this?
http://insitu.lri.fr/~roussel/videos/metisse/facades/uifacades.mov
Fully adaptable UIs where you can basically drag and drop individual widgets and buttons and drop them on arbitrary windows and toolbars. That's one of the most innovative things I've seen in a long time within the desktop metaphor.
This could be a boon to areas which demand customized work flows, such as 3D / 2D applications, CAD, video editing and who knows what else... - krinthekuz, on 09/16/2008, -1/+7rotate window is the only useful feature shown worth anything and that's in a very limited context (horizontally flat displays).
i love beryl and all these composite managers, but most of the features are 100% eye candy and not even in 5% productive (like flaming windows, wobbly, and snowfall). however, the cube, switcher, transparency, and plane are awesomely usable in the UI experience. - whiteguysamurai, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7My question is, is it getting easier for one with no prior linux/unix knowledge to install?
- jejones, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Get it through _Adobe's_ head.
- ziki, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5The tabletop rotate thing looks like a good idea for possibly a tablet pc. have someone on the other side, show them something to read while you do something else?
- demonthises, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5When it comes to being a usable window manager, Metisse isn't. It is good for testing new features and ideas. Actually Metisse is kinda like a neat toy. It does something interesting, but you wouldn't want to use it do real work.
- wabbiteh, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I believe it was a 'copyleft' symbol, which signifies that something has few or no restrictions upon it (usually GPL license). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyleft
- calvmari, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I thought project looking glass was an abandoned project. I haven't heard anything about it in years.
- patm1987, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4From what I've seen of metisse (about a year ago when I was playing with that and lg3d). It was nice (much stabler than project looking glass), but it was very difficult to set up. If you've ever used the fvwm window manager, it's essentially that with more items to set up.
Out of all the hardware accelerated desktops I've tried (osx if you count that, vista, lg3d, beryl, and metisse) I'd say the best one to use at the moment was beryl, and the one I'm looking forward to the most is lg3d (project looking glass in case my random acronyms are confuzzling).
I haven't tried metisse recently though (my current laptop doesn't like linux, and my desktop's mobo recently went), but it doesn't seem to of improved much. The big annoyance (as with early xgl/compiz days, and lg3d) is that you must boot up another wm or use xgame to play any hardware accelerated games (and close metisse). But if you're willing to spend an afternoon setting up fvwm, why not try this out instead. - pixelmixer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4i dont know about mettise, but the 3D desktop in Beryl is incredibly useful. It works even when you have a full screen setup (eg watching a movie on one side of the cube, then switch to another side to talk to people on gaim).
Use transparent cube settings and you can actually watch your movie through the wallpaper on the other side of the cube where your movie is playing. - buuch, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7when messing around in the gimp, he made a boob didn't he?
- ijustlost, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I got Beryl working with my GeForce 6200 with minimum fuss... when I installed a 32bit distro instead of 64bit...
- johnnykwest, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@ratteler
If you're waiting for GNU/Linux to run Photoshop, then you'd better move on. You're missing the point of the whole thing. The point is that you don't have to run Photoshop. It's about choice. And if your employer makes you run Photoshop (as my employer makes me run AutoCAD) then you obviously won't be running Linux.
But for chrissakes, don't assume that everyone in the GNU-Linux platform wants every user in the world to switch!! There are a vast amount of GNU-Linux users who are perfectly happy running FOSS apps who DO NOT WANT to see Photoshop for Linux, or even worse, iPhoto for Linux. Apple software is proprietary, MS apps are proprietary, the point is to have Free software not proprietary software. If you don't think that's important, I'm not sure that Linux really needs you. There seem to be enough people interested in Free software to have developed a pretty frickin' good OS as it is. They should be congratulated.
The OS is young, better video editing apps will come. Most of it is all done in people's freely donated spare time. The absolute least we owe all these developers is a little patience. - seuaniu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@jarland:
I assume you mean non-linear video editing. cinelerra is the most powerful app for editing on linux thus far, but its no match for final cut yet. And, unfortunately, it probably won't ever be. now, the backend tools are great. If you got some spare PCs around, you can make a great renderfarm to convert all that uncompressed dv you got to just about anything. - metalhead3767, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4This will run on top of XGL. XGL is a replacement xserver with openGL acceleration.
- raid517, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Erm sorry to but in on the topic, but while watching that video, I spotted this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4A7PVllqiY
WTF is this? Does anyone know?
Sorry about the terrible music in advance - but apart from that and the overly huge trash bin, this looks like it could be really very usable.
The one thing about Beryl is that although it sure can be pretty, it just isn't all that usable at times - as it isn't very focused towards usability so much as it is to 'magic and nirror' type special effects. - Ratteler, on 10/12/2007, -10/+13Eye Candy does NOT make desktop ready.
FUNCTIONAL APPLICATIONS make for desktop ready.
This is like have the most beautiful wife in the world, but not being able to ***** her!!!! I'd rather bang the ugly chick then show you my pretty wife that doesn't put out!
I really don't give a ***** how fast and sexy I can spin the GIMP. I need Photoshop! Because I get paid to work in Photoshop.
I need to MAKE flash files, not just play them.
I need to edit video.
I need to make characters for Half Life, not just play it.
When I can do all that... I'll never look at OS X or Windows again. Until then.... it doesn't matter. I'm stuck with my ugly demanding bitch whore of a Windows wife, or paying a premium for my slightly more appealing OS X one.
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE get that through your FOSS heads!!!!! - hexydes, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I'll agree with ijustlost. I just recently (two weeks ago) installed Beryl looking for interesting ideas to possibly implement into the OS that I'm contributing to. Device detection (on initial installation) is MUCH better than it was a few years ago, same with software installation (assuming it is in the repository, otherwise, it is painful as it ever was). However, many things don't work well or at all for 64-bit versions of the OS, and that has caused me trouble more than once.
However, to be fair, this has been problematic on Windows as well (XP x64). - Shutter, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6Well said.
- SVPirate, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"anything that gets in the way needs killing with fire, very fast"
Much like my spelling, it seems....
btw nice faeutes = nice features - stalefries, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Sure, the guy made an awesome window manager, but couldn't he at least pick a better theme? Seriously, turquoise gradients for menu options?
- pixelmixer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2honestly I think it is... BUT... its not quite to the point where everyone could do it. Customization still requires alot of command line work when you have certain video cards. It's most definitely easier than it used to be... but its still not ready for the mainstream. (from experience using recent Ubuntu, Suse, and Fedora Core distros)
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4Was anyone else pretty unimpressed?
- Crowforge, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I don't I'm commenting on the OS as a whole, it's games that push hardware and I can't see this gaining general acceptance if the kids (and me) can't have their games.
As for Os's they're there to support the other programs you run they aren't the star of the show beyond how they make using those other programs as hassle free as possible. - shm0edawg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I could have done without The Weather Channel soundtrack.....
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