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- petepete, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12Took me three reads to work out this wasn't about Marks & Spencer
- lbradeen, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8That's why the user then pays for support. I'm not sure what the purpose of intentionally keeping something complicated and unapproachable is other than giving the people who know how to use it a little ego boost. I've been a computer dork for a long time now and when I decided I wanted to setup an Asterisk box I started reading the manuals and then realized I didn't have the time to do it all by hand, I have better things to do. I grabbed Trixbox and was up and running in a very short period. In my case if something breaks I know enough to research and troubleshoot it but for a generic home user (how many home users are going to go with this over vonagesque services anyways?) they can do a search on the web for someone to troubleshoot it for them. This opens up the larger possibility of a service market for installation and troubleshooting. I personally don't see that happening as I think the learning curve involved in its setup will still be perceived as being too high but who knows. Needless to say I don't think we're handing guns to children but rather giving them erector sets instead of legos.
- mike2312, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Yeah and damn those people that made KDE and Gnome! Down with those that made USB! To hell with those that made PNP. I hated it when I no longer had to move jumpers on my cards! I mean that means just anyone out there could put a card in a computer and when it went wrong they wouldn't know what to do!
And who the hell thought up RAD? I mean come on now any noob thinks he can program! Now when things go wrong it makes me look bad. IDEs are crap too! I think it should all be done in ViM or Emacs!! - deanlowe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5"when something breaks, the user now has no clue what they are doing."
There's this concept called learning, maybe you've heard of it. - schestowitz, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8Fonality could give this guy a hard(er) time because its latest Trixbox system comes with rival software. (see http://www.linuxworld.com.au/index.php/id;453542251;fp;2;fpid;1)
Nonetheless, AsteriskNOW seems very promising and it simplifies everything, ridding the users from need to acquire *nix skills.
Asterisk Calls Home
http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3651801
Digium Unveils New Software Appliance AsteriskNOW
http://thetek.net/content/view/48/37/ - electronaught, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5nice to see something to make the process a little simpler!
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4http://www.asterisknow.org
- BuzzLightyear, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7You're right mattshoppes, technology shouldn't be made easier to use. You should need at least a CS degree to operate an iPhone which should only have a CLI and a kernel that needs recompiling for each user..Duh!
Well done Mark Spencer, even if you don't sell underwear (yeah it took me a moment too!). - dev1t, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@matt
This is a GREAT way for companies or IT professionals setup a system and demo it for management and sell them on the concept of an open source solution. After the user or company is invested they will need to find a service provider or contractor to help them out and then we make money. Quit being the typical RTFM *nix nerd and use your business sense for a minute. This is in no way a bad thing for the community. - AubieTurtle, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4A bit off topic...
I went to college with Mark. When Microsoft came to campus to recruit, they had a large presentation with a Q&A session afterwards. During this one of the Microsoft reps was talking about how they respond to the needs of their customers and asked rhetorically "Where do you think Microsoft gets many of its ideas". Mark quickly shouted out from the audience "From their competitors". As you can imagine, the whole crowd broke out laughing (including the Microsoft rep who was good humored about it).
The Microsoft people must have been only laughing on the outside because Mark became the only person I've ever heard of to receive a rejection letter BEFORE his interview with Microsoft. - RonaldLewis, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Let's be fair, folks -- many people still aren't aware of what Asterisk is. If X's inquiry is genuine, then I'll share:
It's an open source software-based PBX (private branch exchange / phone system) which interfaces with TDM and VoIP networks. It runs on all flavors of Linux, BSD, Mac OS X, etc. - geezusfreeek, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Mark is not interested in making anything difficult for anybody on the Internet. He is ALWAYS going on and on about giving people more freedom. That's what he's about, and that's why it's great that Digium is as successful as it is.
- roderickm, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3The fact that I work for Digium doesn't change how Trixbox munges Asterisk configs. How many users have been bitten by editing the wrong Trixbox config file? AsteriskNOW gives you the full power of the config file and the ease of the GUI without such conflicts.
Yes, I am proud to work at Digium. We're not selling support for AsteriskNOW, so you're incorrect that my department will gain from AsteriskNOW support dollars. There's no hidden self-interest here.
In the interest of full disclosure, I have built telephony applications on Asterisk since 2002 and it's no secret that I recently joined Digium: http://www.linkedin.com/in/roderickm Who are you, Mr. Full Disclosure? - roderickm, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Have you seen the mess Trixbox makes of Asterisk config files? Ugh. AsteriskNOW edits Asterisk configs without all the cruft. I'd much rather work with a clean AsteriskNOW dialplan.
- rptcalyptos, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3To Mark:
Wasn't a waste of my time. Was actually interesting. Actually one of the reasons I love the YouTube revolution! - kitchensj, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Just an observation about trixbox and the whole guiAsterisk thing,
Astercon was filled with a lot of anti-Trixbox talk but the Trixbox booth was always filled with people. I'd say it was the most heavily visited booth at the convention. - paulaner, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2In the interest of full disclosure, it should be noted that 'roderickm' is Roderick Montgomery, supervising manager of tech support at Digium - the company that is pushing AsteriskNow and will be selling support. That money will be going directly to roderickm's department. So of course he'd much rather work with (or have you work with) a 'clean dialplan'.
- uttles, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2So, I have a question:
If I have a broadband internet connection at home, can I build my own Asterisk server and run my own VOIP network in my home? Or do I have to have some sort of other connection to the telephone company to actually make calls? I read through the documentation and I didn't see any clear answer to this. I know for enterprise systems you need a special connection to the telephone company, but is there some internet Asterisk Server where I could connect a home asterisk server and be off and running? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Cool, I've been thinking of trying Trixbox recently, having a distro designed by the same people actually coding Asterisk is that much better.
I looked at Asterisk before, reading through TFOT but really quickly discovered it was not going to be an easy weekend project, some real digging and devotion are necessary to get started. Me being the type that I like to install a few systems and completely ***** them up, asterisk wasn't the best at meeting my approach. - meatmcguffin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Heh, i'm dissapointed. I thought Marks and Spencers had followed Tesco's lead and went into software production. Lingerie + code = ideal shop.
- klawz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Asterisk is defined in the first 10 seconds of the video, RTFA (or better yet, WTFV) before commenting.
- christianASGI, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2SHAMELESS PLUG
Percepta is a desktop application that seamlessly integrates with AsteriskNOW and allows you to control calls and see line appearance for users on your AsteriskNOW server.
http://www.asteriasgi.com/PerceptaBETA - Atomic, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Exactly what I thought! Haha.
- youareretarded, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Finally!!
Now I can start to piece together just what hardware I will need to tie this into my land line!! - hadak, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2cool. i was just commissioned to build one of these boxes. easy enough task before, even easier now.
- rycan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2"So of course he'd much rather work with (or have you work with) a 'clean dialplan'."
I consider this to be a good trait for the manager of tech support. - Trilik, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2You should probably read the rest of the article or stop trying to spin what was said.
"Digium's Miller noted that they are going after any domain that has the Asterisk name in it. In particular Digium is looking at those that are mis-using the Asterisk name." - xrobau, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Well, oddly enough, I'm the lead dev of FreePBX, which is the configuration tool that generates these 'complex dialplans'. And I'm guessing that the number of people that have been bitten by 'editing the wrong config file' would be exactly the number of people that don't read the very first line of all the system generated and supplied config files that say 'Don't edit this file. Edit (filename)_custom.conf instead'.
And it's complex because a phone system DOES COMPLEX THINGS. Duh.
If you don't want to have ring groups, follow-me, call forward on busy/unreachable/no answer, then don't use freePBX and you're happy. If you do what those features, then you can either write your own dialplan (which, oddly enough, gets complex), or you can use freePBX. Either way, whinging about freepbx having complex dialplans because it does complex stuff is just a waste of electrons, and simply shows your lack of understanding of asterisk, which worries me even more if you actually do work for Digium. - erinspice, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Ryan, are you referring to the vid? That's not Navigator, that's Firefox. I know. I was the one doing the typing in that video.
- ellisgl, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Anyone know of a FreeBSD version or a guide to build one?
- geezusfreeek, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2lol. I never would have thought Mark would be so awkward on camera.
This makes me sad in a way. I think this is the project Mark was wanting me to initiate in his most recent attempt to get me to work at Digium, and now that it's out in public I regret turning him down. : He even tried tempting me with fame on the Internet. :P Dang it Mark, you should have kept pressing so I would have given in!
[Edit: Oops. I meant to use the normal reply link instead of spamming the top of the page. Sorry.] - diegoviola, on 11/07/2009, -0/+1I recommend FreeSWITCH, it's a much better carrier-grade solution.
"How does FreeSWITCH compare to Asterisk?"
http://www.freeswitch.org/node/117 - Trilik, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1No you do not have to have a direct analog line from the phone company. You can get a connection from a voip provider like Bandtel, Voxbone, or the infamous Vonage.
- Xoimai, on 10/12/2007, -5/+5WTF is Asterisk?
- kravex, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1lol yeah me too, I thought they were starting to sell 'Asterix the Gahl' books.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0...spam....
- aubiematt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Netscape Navigator??? Maybe he is not the one who's behind....
- mydave, on 07/24/2008, -0/+0and were we can we find Obelisk? (I'm kidding)))
http://www.shpe-sac.org
http://www.ocflex.com/
http://www.trgovinca.org
http://www.chasr.org/ - ztirffritz, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Asterisk@Home and TrixBox have already been doing this for several years, but it is good to see a version that is likely to get some better support from Digium. In the past they simply tolerated Asterisk@Home/Trixbox but they offered no support. I think that they were missing the boat completely by doing that. They seem to have finally caught on.
- ryanknapper, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1That guy uses Netscape Navigator! Think I'm going to trust anything he says?
- FuzzyCat, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1
Sorry,
http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3651801
as posted by schestowitz was what I am refering to... not the YouTube vid - FuzzyCat, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2
... For me the most disappointing part of this is the following quote...
"Digium's Miller noted that they are going after any domain that has the Asterisk name in it."
That is, Asterisk has been made a success by it's contributers and supporters, and now we'd like to make a ton of money and take hold of the domains that people have used to make it a success.
It's time to change to freeswitch... - housetim, on 10/12/2007, -4/+0that story gets boring after the 3rd or 4th episode. I think we get the point of how fat AL is.
- mpancha, on 10/12/2007, -10/+5completely agree with matthopes.... I deal with this everyday with clients who tried out a new software because someone said it was easy, then they have no clue how to use it, and somehow its my fault.
- JamesWilson, on 10/12/2007, -10/+5im in ur phone network makin it easier
- mattshoppes, on 10/12/2007, -10/+2So you feel. I personally feel like there is a certain level of comlicatedness that should remain in some projects/programs to keep everyone and their dog from running it! Sure, we want to help open source to grow, but on the other hand, we should also try to keep every joe smith from accessing and using the software, then when it breaks they give it a bad rap because they don't understand how to fix it.
- mattshoppes, on 10/12/2007, -17/+6And this is good why? There is a certain point at which we should stop trying to make things "easy for everyone". Sure, maybe anyone can slap in a CD and click a few buttons and set stuff up. Unfortunately, when something breaks, the user now has no clue what they are doing.
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