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- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -4/+15no1 gives a flying ***** about second life
- Urusai, on 10/10/2007, -2/+9You obviously aren't familiar with clean room design ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clean_room_design ). Basically, you have one guy under the NDA write up a spec, and another guy implements it. The NDA guy doesn't have to be anyone normally involved with driver coding, so you don't poison any of your core devs.
- TheNik, on 10/10/2007, -2/+8"He is pleased..."
Well that's a relief! - VitaminH, on 10/10/2007, -2/+7Hardy Heron I believe actually...
- hexydes, on 10/10/2007, -3/+7@tehmoth
People like you are the reason that companies don't bother with open-source development. It is a step, and a very good and important one. AMD's decision will likely lead to completely open support for their hardware, allowing every non-Windows platform to bring support for their cards and chipsets up to a competitive level. Additionally, with Intel and now AMD opening many of the specs for their hardware, it is all but guaranteed that NVIDIA will have to develop a similar solution.
And yet, despite all this, all you can do is complain. People like you are just as counter-productive to the advancement of open and common standards as the corporations that you criticize. - trogdoor, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5"Basically, you have one guy under the NDA write up a spec, and another guy implements it."
That works when the *Code* is under a NDA, in this case the specification is what they agree not to disclose. So how exactly does the agreement not to release information about the specification allow "one guy under the NDA to write up a spec" and release it? - DustyinBFE, on 10/10/2007, -2/+5THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU!!!!!
- schestowitz, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3On legal issue, there will be an announcement from AMD. There are many factors to consider here, but they have already promised an open source driver and some freed components from the proprietary one.
This is a big milestone for Free software. Gutsy (Ubuntu 7.10) might even have eye candy enabled out of the box if I read things correctly. Might. - babbling, on 10/10/2007, -2/+4In semi-related news, there should be a new Gutsy Gibbon Tribe CD out today:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule - D0m0kun, on 10/10/2007, -3/+5GOSH. Can't you guys get it right? It's not Happy Humper or the Humping Happy Hardon. It's just Hairy Hardon. Stop trying to make the Ubuntu guys look so juvenile. Bullocks.
- Vektuz, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3What the hell is up with that picture of him there? In his pyjamas in a giant indoors jumping castle? Oh, wait, I forgot, he's ridiculously rich. I'd do the same. We all would.
- serend, on 10/10/2007, -2/+4Installing the current drivers is easy. Getting them to work has proven not so easy.
- fires, on 10/10/2007, -2/+4Dugg, because you managed to be sarcastic without the bloody /sarcasm tag.
- aliguana, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2great, I hope it actually recognises my common-as-muck Realtek network card now
- cryptodonkey, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2 humming hamsters?
- schestowitz, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3Not an open framework though. It's the "Microsoft's" open source.
- mabhatter, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2personally I think the delay is AMD getting the business settled before changing things. I'm sure ATI/AMD had to build a "clean" procesor/driver model they could make open in order to satisfy their own IP contracts with other companies. It' highly in AMD's interests to get Linux going as quickly as possible because it was their livelyhood selling linux servers when nobody would take things like 64 bit and opteron seriously. The ATI house was quite messy as most old-school proprietary houses are...not easy to clean up. if they're willing to work with someplace like Cannonical then this could get good fast. We could have really decent Linux computers at low prices soon. AMD + DELL would have the moxy for a new brand of just Linux that could be cool.
- Disfnord, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Wait, was YOUR comment sarcastic?
- jorgepblank, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Isn't this amazing? ATI (AMD), which used to be the most bashed cards out there, for supposedly having the worst support and what not, now might possibly have the best support, they went from one extreme to the other. Of course I'm sure this has to do with its acquisition by AMD, but still. Unfortunately, I recently just switched from ATI to Nvidia, I have a nice card, but ironically my drivers don't install correctly on Feisty, I have to install them manually. It seems like no matter what I've always had a bad experience, hopefully, Nvidia will follow up with some of the same actions as AMD has taken.
- schestowitz, on 10/10/2007, -11/+11FTA: "...the just-announced program where AMD will be handing out specifications under NDA and helping out the open-source community?"
Wow. The dream of a truly open source GPU driver is getting nearer and nearer. And not a semi-based/compromise driver either. Now, if only companies like Google followed suit (with their proprietary yet unique software like Google Earth). Second Life is already open source (desktop and server side). - samb0057, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0So what exactly will this mean for the end user? Better performance? Out of the box setup?
How much of a performance increase are we looking at? - mindlessoath, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0ATI/amd need to be open source or have better overall linux support (open source or not) if they want to get there technologys off the ground, especially stream processing ie the physic's processor. HUGE buisness's will use these processors but normaly the software created is on linux, unix and various other large systems that can cope with the load they use the software for ie, earthquake simulations etc, those sure as hell are not run on a windows platform.
if amd wants to be successfull in that marketplace which holds ALOT of money and if not money long term investments.
would i say this is the only reason the intrest in linux? NO.. HELL NO. ati themselfs were not interested in linux at all... they did everything to thwart linux... basically doing only bare minimum efforts because if they didnt do anything they would be getting alot more flack. ati was interested in only directx developments, anything to do with opengl was just very little intrest, cause there was no market for it (in there own opinion). since amd has taken over they know the market and they know linux and various os's need the right support, especially in the buisness and workstation field. this is where the money is! selling the same product sometimes for alot more money usually. - RandaII, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1Please someone need to work over Mark ***** with a bat.
- tehmoth, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1it seems mark shuttleworth does:
http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/128 - tehmoth, on 10/10/2007, -3/+2no, its people like you are the reasons why companies don't bother releasing open specifications so that open source developers can use them to write drivers that don't rely on a small group of developers' NDA-acquired knowledge. We don't want companies to 'bother with open-source development' as they tend to fsck it up (NDAs, stupid homebrewed licenses or the GPL and really crappy buggy code (intel is a good example of this)), we want them to open the specifications of their hardware so drivers can be written properly.
- cryptodonkey, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1I was excited about this until i came across AMD and NDA being in the same sentence.
- moocow1452, on 10/10/2007, -4/+2Isn't google earth open already? I know World wind is...
http://worldwind.arc.nasa.gov/ - bnajbert, on 10/10/2007, -3/+1Does this mean I can finally get drivers for my f******* tuner card?
- thewump, on 10/10/2007, -5/+2Oh.. thank God. I thought it was "Hairy Hardon"
- tehmoth, on 10/10/2007, -8/+4yeah because NDAs are a GREAT help to the open source community, if by open source community you mean the group of developers who agree to them and also agree to not release specifications or make their code a decent reference where there are no specs. WHat a great victory. not.
- zeromancer, on 10/10/2007, -7/+2something tells me they will be just as difficult to install as the old fglrx drivers.
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