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- CoolGoose, on 07/14/2008, -1/+9I'm not a developer so from my standpoint i don't really care in what the underling code is written.
The reason that i use Gnome is simple. I like their HIG. Yes some people hate the, sometimes exaggerated, KISS philosophy but I seldom customize my apps so much that i need the full configuration options. - morphado, on 07/14/2008, -5/+0heheh, good joke
- TheWindBlows, on 07/14/2008, -0/+3This may actually be good most of the applications that are good for linux are made for Qt and KDE, but i tend to like using gnome at the moment.
Though this does not come without its issues as this will slow down the development as the porting is done, but it may allow for more optimized applications and an improvement of Qt. - Onestone, on 07/14/2008, -2/+2If only Nokia would relicense Qt as LGPL...
- Andytom, on 07/14/2008, -0/+4It is licensed under the GPL why would you want it under the LGPL.
- wheatley, on 07/14/2008, -0/+4Basically LGPL allows companies who don't want to make their source code public to link to GTK without penalties. If they try doing that with Qt, then they must pay a licensing fee.
- Onestone, on 07/14/2008, -0/+3Exactly. Mark even mentions the same thing in the article. Qt is currently less popular than GTK among commercial developers (which is a pity because Qt is superior in almost every aspect). LGPL would lead to much greater Qt adoption among commercial software developers (not just companies). Of course that would be incompatible with Trolltech's existing business model, but now that they're under Nokia's umbrella, this is less significant.
- Andytom, on 07/14/2008, -0/+4It is licensed under the GPL why would you want it under the LGPL.
- brettalton, on 07/14/2008, -0/+6I think more people should read this article to understand the Bill Gates of Ubuntu's current thoughts. He talks about much more than GNOME/QT and elaborates on some of his previous posts and ideas from http://www.markshuttleworth.com
- brettalton, on 07/14/2008, -0/+10Probably the most relevant quote:
Shuttleworth: "I think we don't yet deliver a good enough user experience. I think we deliver a user experience for people that have a reason to want to be on the Linux platform, either because of price or because of freedom. If that was your primary reason, Linux is the right answer.
But if you are somebody who is not too concerned about price, who is not too concerned about freedom, I don't think we can say the Linux desktop offers the very best experience. And that's something we have to change, that's something I'm committed to work on, focusing increasing amounts of resources of Canonical on figuring out on how we actually move the desktop experience forward to compete with Mac OS X."- tnoy, on 07/14/2008, -0/+8"But if you are somebody who is not too concerned about price, who is not too concerned about freedom, I don't think we can say the Linux desktop offers the very best experience. And that's something we have to change..."
Holy *****, he actually does get it. - TheWindBlows, on 07/14/2008, -0/+7Ever notice how Mark Shuttleworth never regards Windows as a competitive platform for innovation.
- brettalton, on 07/15/2008, -0/+2Do you remember MS-DOS (Microsoft Disk Operating System), they bought QDOS (Quick and Dirty Operating System) from a guy in Seattle, who actually ripped it from Digital Research's CP/M.
Doesn't sound like innovation to me.
And don't even get me started on Windows vs the Apple II and Xerox where they stole their idea of the GUI from.
So you see, it's better to compete with Apple and other companies than Microsoft/Windows as they are the innovators and Microsoft is the garbage can picking everything up as it goes.
- brettalton, on 07/15/2008, -0/+2Do you remember MS-DOS (Microsoft Disk Operating System), they bought QDOS (Quick and Dirty Operating System) from a guy in Seattle, who actually ripped it from Digital Research's CP/M.
- tnoy, on 07/14/2008, -0/+8"But if you are somebody who is not too concerned about price, who is not too concerned about freedom, I don't think we can say the Linux desktop offers the very best experience. And that's something we have to change..."
- kdub432, on 07/14/2008, -4/+0huh? gnome was founded on the basis that desktops must be open source, a contrast to the old kde, which used to use proprietary elements. The gnome community won't let trolltech infiltrate the code base. besides qt is ugly
- hindenburg, on 07/15/2008, -0/+3Very cool, I wish Mark would talk more about these kind of issues on his blog.
- cornflakepirate, on 07/15/2008, -0/+3copy-pasted from another comment:
Ok, those Qt/Gnome comments are kinda taken out of context.
Firstly, Mark Shuttleworth has very minimal impact on the direction of Gnome development.
Secondly, what he said was along the lines of, "I guess that would be possible", not "I think that's a good idea".
And it's not a good idea. GTK and GLib are the FOUNDATION of the entire Gnome platform. There is pretty much no way to remove them without having to completely rewrite the entire platform and every single application. It's not just a simple porting to a different API - the GObject object model (which is part of GLib) is such a deeply-rooted part of every single Gnome application, that removing it would be almost like changing programming languages. And there really wouldn't be any significant benefits to doing so. It's kinda like asking the Linux kernel to switch to using Objective-C or something. Basically there is just no way that is ever ever going to happen. It's not techinically _impossible_, but it's definitely infeasible.
Not to mention the massive licensing problems (Qt being GPL). - known, on 07/15/2008, -0/+3To GNOME:
As of today Browsers, Cell Phones and ATM (Automatic Teller Machines) are very easy for a LAYMAN to use when compared to Windows.
Hence I'd suggest you to follow the USABILITY principles for Browsers,ATMs and Cell Phones to capture the Windows market share.- cornflakepirate, on 07/15/2008, -2/+1Nice work with all the spamming:
http://digg.com/users/known/history/comments
Welcome to my blocked list.- known, on 07/15/2008, -0/+1Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much..--Oscar Wilde
- cornflakepirate, on 07/15/2008, -2/+1Nice work with all the spamming:
- dualscreenman, on 07/15/2008, -0/+4Possibility != probability.
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