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- dixonr315, on 10/12/2007, -8/+56Consumers everywhere will no doubt switch to Linux now ;-)
- sparkie, on 10/12/2007, -2/+30Ahh, you know you've got a trusted news source when the banner ad at the top of the page touts FREE WAREZ FREE MP3S DOWNLOAD NOW
- drakethegreat, on 10/12/2007, -11/+36Overpriced slow computers? Dude this article is about how the OS is slower for statistical benchmarking. You can run Linux or Windows on your mac and it will be just as fast as a PC computer. Keep in mind that Mac OS X isn't designed for scientific computational computing. I doubt anyone has even walked into an Apple store and been like, "Well I like the fact that I can check my stocks on the dashboard, but how man milliseconds does it take to calculate the first thousand digits of Pi?"
Of course Anti Apple Fanboys enjoy every opportunity they can get to distract people from the truth, of course there are Apple fans who do the exact same thing. - Quix, on 10/12/2007, -10/+34In (un)related news, a high-performance motorcycle still trumps a high-performance sports car. But surprisingly, most people still don't want to ride a motorcycle around all the time...
- Virak, on 10/12/2007, -6/+27In (un)related news, car analogies still suck.
- titlesaysitall, on 10/12/2007, -2/+19Its called Gimp.
- Zorkon, on 10/12/2007, -7/+21I'll make sure to mention to my customers that they should skip OS X and just go Linux instead.
Of course, it's hard enough to get mom & dad newbie to switch from Windows to Mac, a platform that they are at least somewhat aware of. Getting them to switch to Linux will be near impossible. I've occasionally brought up Linux in conversations with customers, and they usually just give me a blank stare.
Linux is no closer to the desktop than it was 10 years ago ... Ubuntu has made great strides in usability, but as far as *mindshare* in the Joe-average customer, it's still Windows and Mac. - purrdeta, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15I use a Mac, I like it... I use windows, it doesnt suck. I use linux and it doesnt suck either. They all have their good points and their bad points. Choose whats best for you :)
- skeptik, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12Quite simply, while Linux may have outperformed OS-X in one important area, the headline is misleading because it presents a sweeping generalization using the word "trumps" - which is not supported beyond the specific case being cited. From the headline the reader could conclude that Linux is superior in every way to OS-X. The article certainly fails to make that case - but it is spun in such a way that it is worthy of comparison to the Fox "News" network.
- Virak, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13That must be the fastest post ever, then.
- superwick, on 10/12/2007, -7/+18That's great, but what about usability? Most people (i.e., most non-supergeeks) tend to like ease of use. Linux is great, but even with all the advancements made with Gnome and KDE, it's still somewhat lacking in the usability department. OS X on the other hand pretty much nails it.
- Odweaver, on 10/12/2007, -4/+14Why can't we report for "No ***** Sherlock!"?
Seriously OSX is very good, so is Linux. OSX is slower on a mac, than Linux is on the same mac, because OSX was designed to look good, and has many effects that eat up more Ram and CPU speed. Also linux is designed to be versitle to the point of where even some modern distros will work perfectly on computers from 1995 and 1996. - CedanticPunt, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13+block
Another idiot whose stupid comments I don't have to read. - tharealmegaman, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Because you can run Linux and Windows on something that costs $300.
- gleffler, on 10/12/2007, -4/+13It's more amusing that people trust articles from a site called "p2pnet" with more "punch the monkey" banners than Kazaa that have no basis in actual reality.
If you actually *read* the article (horror of ***** horrors, I know) it actually said that with the correct malloc, the Mac is equally as fast as Linux for every dataset they tried. How is this "Linux still trumps OS X, Linux users take showers in celebration"? It's that by not optimizing software for either platform that Linux is faster. Well, ***** duhhhh? Different kernel architectures and userspace programs should be pretty obvious why this is the case. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+13O RLy? Well if you guys want, in the cabinet I left some penguin shaped cookies....for everyone!
- darkdaven, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10I think most of the apple product worship articles are pretty silly too.. Too much penis-measuring in general. To each his own.
Also, apple computers can run all 3 now right? So just buy an apple and put on it what you want :p - m242, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12"Linux users take showers in celebration"
That, sir, is the digg comment of the year. - tolbs, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Obviously, Linux is more in the server market and Mac OS X is in the home consumer market. It only makes sense that Linux is more faster and OS X is more usable. Anyone using Mac OS X over linux in the enterprise server market has to be an idiot, because they are paying top dollar for something that isn't nearly as superior as it's cheaper counterparts.
File this under "Duh". - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Linux and Mac fanboys, IMO shouldn't be competing against each other. They should be complimenting one another.
There's a common goal. And no, not the end of MS, but to ensure that at some point, people have choice. That monoculture becomes a thing of the past.. - nailbunny, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8comrades, it breaks my heart to see two brothers in unix (roughly speaking) being pitted against eachother. we must come together as one, to disillusion the proletariat about the common enemy that enslaves them!
- veracon, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8"There's is not one single Linux distro that you can completely setup/tweak without using the CLI, plain and simple. Try installing any ATI driver on any linux distro without using the CLI.
Try setting up WINE without using the CLI.
Try authoring a DVD....oops.... Almost all CLI.
Sorry, that's just plain BS. Many items still require the CLI, and though most of us may be just fine with that. Your average consumer would be completely lost. Sad but try."
But the average user doesn't NEED to set up WINE. The average user doesn't NEED to author a DVD. And those are what we're talking about, right? The end-user who just wants to use their computer to do all those 'simple' things they do on their beloved Windows machine? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7I'm all about OSS, but i'm not about killing off proprietary as a whole. I think the main goal should be the end of the MS monoculture. People having a "choice" comes first and foremost before my values about OSS. Sorry. Right now we have an industry where one company in Redmond pretty much dictates to the world. While i don't view Apple as anything ethically better than MS, i do think people should have a choice of where they can go.
At least if OS X and Linux each had say.. a 1/3 market share, you're virus problems would go down, among quite a few other issues that plague windows machines. - burke, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Before you talk about having to type every command, suck it up and try Ubuntu.
- traherom, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6@CrayZ and Magadass
When was the last time you used Linux and which distro were you using? I can't speak for installing a graphics driver (have freakin' integrated, still :>) or authoring a DVD (have a burner, but I've never actually made a video DVD), but getting WINE to work on Dapper (Ubuntu bandwagon, baby) is a check mark next to "wine" in Synaptic. Yeah, you could do the same thing by typing "sudo apt-get install wine" on the command line, which is what you'll see in tutorials because it's simpler to describe and considered more efficient, but you can really do most administration tasks without seeing a prompt. - mDot, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Enough with the spam firstlast. Every comment you've made on Digg involves that URL.
- chucker, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6"The average user doesn't NEED to author a DVD."
What world are you living in? Consumer DVD authoring has been done for years. iDVD was introduced in 2001 and had all the basic necessary functionality for this (it's now at version 6).
Why would "the average user" not "need" to author a DVD? How else are you going to make a photo slideshow and send it to your distant friends and relatives? This is the easiest way. - dbr_onix, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5No consumer could care less if their OS is 0.2ms faster at malloc.. Sure, for heavily loaded servers it's great having that 0.2 seconds multiplied hugely to speed things up..
OS X, and slightly less so Windows, both beat linux hands down for useability, for many reasons (That I'll not go into here, I know linux is useable as a desktop, and all software "only for [Mac/PC]" has alternatives, but comsumers dont' want to search about for alternatives..)
The title on this story is misleading.. To go back to the crappy car analogies : Extremely fast car, 4 miles to the gallon, fast car, 40 miles to the gallon.. Which one do you want? If your in a race, chances are you want the fastest car you can get, but for most people, racing isn't important, and the extra performace would be wasted
- Ben - veracon, on 10/12/2007, -5/+10Linux being user-unfriendly is a myth. Linux is just the kernel, and there are plenty good, user-friendly frontends. If you don't need to get "down and dirty" with the terminal, you don't do that. It's perfectly possible using it without that.
- pornel, on 10/12/2007, -7/+12Great. Now let's benchmark using Photoshop... oh.
- nailbunny, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5anyone got some monolithic vs micro benchmarks btw? now that i'd like to see
- antisthenex, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6@Virak
That was a superb subtle diss. - tharealmegaman, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9I see you've never heard of KDE.
- nailbunny, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4heinousjay, i don't mean to be rude, but as father ted would say, you're a feckin' eedjit. your statement is evidence that you've never used linux, you believe what you read, and you echo secondhand opinions.
- sp3ctrecs, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I used to be big into the OS argument - until I realized that it was pointless arguing.
Seriously, think about it. We're all going to say that whatever we like is best, cause we like it! But that isn't enough to form a valid argument for what is "best". I've used every major OS as my primary OS for at least a year (Windows, OSX, Linux), and the only thing I've been able to conclude is that each has their own purpose. I'd never think of sticking my mother in front of a linux box (or even a windows box for that matter, with all the spyware and all [and yes, I've put her on Firefox and run her in user mode, and somehow she still manages to get spyware]), so for her I feel the best choice would be OSX. For myself, I tried Linux as a desktop for a full year. I liked alot of what it had to offer, but inevitably I switched back to Windows due to lack of hardware support (or maybe I wasn't l33t enough to write my own drivers... *shrug*). As for my webserver, I think the obvious choice is Linux... being able to use it effectively without a monitor mouse or keyboard and do everything via SSH is great (not to mention shell scripting and stuff like that).
Now, could you do any of these things on any of the other OSes? Sure. Windows has remote desktop, Linux is immune to spyware too, and OSX can be a server too. But that's not the point.
Its all about personal tastes and preferences. Not about which one is "better" than the other. - Haroldx, on 10/12/2007, -12/+16GO LINUX! I don't have anything against mac, though. They're pretty fast and secure as it is. :)
- tolbs, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Couldn't agree more with you.
- shadytrees, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Most of the graphics and effects on OS X are offloaded to the GPU. With each one-tenth point release of Mac OS X, this offloading has only increased, as John Siracusa explains well on his review of 10.4 Tiger in "Ars Technica" [1]. Currently, Tiger (10.4) has a disabled feature to accelerate even more of Quartz (the graphics layer of Mac OS X, as Wikipedia puts it), which is Quartz 2D acceleration [2]. It's widely speculated that Quartz 2D acceleration will be enabled by default in some other future release. Mac OS X may be slower than Linux, but it's not because of graphics. Indeed, comparing Linux and Mac OS X on graphics is silly because the level of graphics on Linux will depend on your graphics server or your desktop environment. Whereas Gnome, hypothetically, might be slower than Aqua, another X window manager like Fluxbox could be faster.
[1] http://arstechnica.com/reviews/os/macosx-10.4.ars/13
[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quartz_(graphics_layer) - nailbunny, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6yeah, well my milkshake brings all the boys to the yard.
(and they're like, it's better than yours) - burke, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I'm a little sick of people thinking that Linux == DOS. It doesn't. It looks a fair bit prettier than XP and the Vista betas if you configure KDE right. And as for Mac being a superior product? Well, maybe if you've only taken into consideration the flashy effects and the 'beat-me-over-the-head-with-a-hammer' ease of use, then yes, OS X is superior.
If, however, you want to compare memory footprint, cpu usage, execution speed for common programs, configurability, program selection, community support, etc... well, you know which OS I'm gonna tell you to use. - traherom, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Kino works well and is pretty easy to use (as video editors go). I've heard Cinelerra is excellent, but I've never cared enough to spend time getting to know it well.
- aroedl, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@m242:
> "Linux users take showers in celebration"
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> That, sir, is the digg comment of the year.
Apple users spill starbucks' "venti" non-fat caffé latte in shame. - dkedinger, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8It is amazing how intense people get over this debate. You would think people are talking about their children or something. Different OS's for different people. Can I run Adobe CS2 on Linux? Can I serve a solid website on Windows? Can I play a multitude of 3D games on OSx?
- burke, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I wouldn't go so far as to call it a drop-in replacement, but I've used both, and haven't discovered anything in Photoshop that I *really wish* I could do in the Gimp, but can't. It's a matter of preference.
I'll admit that CS2 is a slightly superior product, but the Gimp is FREE. - cecil_t, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"it actually said that with the correct malloc, the Mac is equally as fast as Linux for every dataset they tried."
No, actually it didn't say that. The article was quite clear that Linux was still faster, and by a decent margin in at least one of the datasets. The modified, non-default OSX malloc (not the "correct" one) helped significantly to solve OSX's problems but even then it was still not equal.
Also everybody seems to be missing the point that this performance benchmark is specifically for running one statistical application. If you don't need to run that application then don't get all hung up about these results. If you do run this statistical application then the article would seem to be very useful. - Ramble, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Actually FreeBSD is UNIX-like, not UNIX.
That's the most common error I see when people argue about the BSD family.
Anyway, is this article worthy of the front page? We all know that feature-wise, speed-wise, compatibility-wise, stability-wise and use of new tech-wise that Linux is clearly superoir to OS X. - Giever, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3But Linux is free, and people don't drive Rolls Royces because they are expensive, not because they're hard to drive. Like Virak said, car analogies suck.
- alexanEmpire, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3You know what else would make linux ready for consumers? A movie editing program (like Final Cut Pro for Mac). Is there any free movie editing software for linux?
- reallydull, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5It's that Sekhon guy again (see http://digg.com/linux_unix/Debunked:_Sehkon_s_Mac_OS_X_Ubuntu_WinXP_Core_Duo_benchmarking_results ). He made a whopper of a mistake (he originally claimed OS X was half the speed of Linux) and is now trying to restore his credibility.
- nailbunny, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3common goal is market share that windows doesnt have. even if steve jobs is taking it in the pooper from redmond
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