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- 42Vindictive, on 10/16/2008, -1/+150Great, can we get a 64-bit version now? Please? PLEASE?!
I MEAN WHAT THE *****?! PLEEEASSEE?!!!!!!!?!! - jasonlfunk, on 10/16/2008, -0/+78Whooo! Full screen Hulu videos aren't choppy! :)
- spyd3rweb, on 10/16/2008, -4/+59Now to just get website designers to stop using Flash so it becomes irrelevant.
- emblemparade, on 10/16/2008, -0/+53You're right about your demand, and Adobe very much wants to have this happen.
Just to clarify, this is an enormous technical challenge. It's not just recompiling the code for a new architecture. The Flash player includes a powerful, and highly optimized interpreter for its internal scripting language. This engine, a product in its own right, needs to be largely rewritten in order to accommodate a 64bit architecture. Such a project can take years, and has been taking years. Part of the problem is that the engine was not originally developed at Adobe, and as such requires pretty much a fresh start to do again, for licensing reasons if for nothing else. And that's just the scripting engine -- there are other, smaller libraries that are part of Flash that offer similar challenges.
By the way, I'm running the new Flash 10 on my 64bit Ubuntu system, and it seems to suffer from the same problems as the alpha. Firefox stutters, hangs, and sometimes crashes Flash completely (although Firefox does seem to stay intact, and a page refresh starts over... annoying, but less annoying than a full crash.)
For us 64bit users, we still have to wait a while to become first-class citizens. - depro9, on 10/15/2008, -0/+36Lets hope they fixed the bugs this time.
- monzsca, on 10/16/2008, -3/+34No 64 bit. Although they did reduce the time it takes to crash Firefox, they got it down to instantly. That's pretty impressive. Version 9 took a few hours.
- reconsldr74d, on 10/16/2008, -4/+32Why are there always at least a few people who pop in to these articles just to say that they hate Linux? Look if your life is that boring maybe you should consider finding a constructive hobby. Trolls must be even worse ***** in person. That being said....
I think it's good that more companies are supporting the open source community but it would be even better if they just GPLed their damn code already. - lopla, on 10/16/2008, -0/+27no 64bit? hopes and dreams dashed. Back to random grey boxes, browser restarts. sigh
- GarrettGrimsley, on 10/16/2008, -0/+25http://digg.com/settings/topics
You have *2* wishes remaining. - Bicep, on 10/16/2008, -0/+24Cheers to that!! http://digg.com/users/Bicep/gallery/8678979/p.jpg
GO GNU/LINUX!!!!
AWESOME!!! - daftman, on 10/16/2008, -0/+21MMS is a microsoft proprietary format.
The problem with mms stream is that it will suffer .. [buffering] .. from .. [buffering] ... issues like .. [buffering] .. realplayer with rstp - Compserd, on 10/16/2008, -0/+20They even have .debs for Ubuntu, this is awesome! Hopefully that have fixed the bug that causes browser crashes.
- ArthurSucks, on 10/16/2008, -0/+18It's about damn time!
- tom957, on 10/16/2008, -0/+17it's purely amazing. i never thought i would live to see the day!
- sw1nglinestaplr, on 10/16/2008, -2/+18I just pelvic thrusted.
- megagram, on 10/16/2008, -3/+19Seriously, why is it so hard for them to compile a 64-bit version? Seriously, guys!
- RobotBuddha, on 10/15/2008, -4/+20Hopefully this means air will get an official release for linux soon as well. The alphas are still a bit buggy.
- Pundan, on 10/16/2008, -1/+16"Few outside of the digg community". You think you belong to some special group? Digg is kind of an widely popular site and Linux is really well-known all over the world.
- pyite, on 10/16/2008, -0/+14This title is Bull *****.
Linux is not an equal Flash player until they release the flash development tools as native LInux apps. I still cannot build flash apps without paying (or pirating) Gates or Jobs. - JamesBrown, on 10/16/2008, -1/+14I find that Firefox crashes much less with Flash 10 than it did with 9
but honestly, it shouldn't crash Firefox at all. Why do these companies think that it's okay to release buggy software for Linux? If Adobe pulled this crap on Windows or MacOS nobody would use their software.
Almost makes me want to see Silverlight take over. At least Microsoft is working with developers on an open source Linux version. - mooninite, on 10/16/2008, -0/+13emblem, thanks for sharing the info. I read the Adobe Linux blog weekly and I've never seen any detailed info such as you described. Is there anywhere that this has been said?
P.S. A 64-bit Linux player was demoed publicly very briefly... but either its not considered stable enough, feature-rich, or legally viable as it's hush-hush top secret. - huff51, on 10/16/2008, -0/+12what are you talking about? i would bet most linux users have never heard of digg.
- Darkhacker, on 10/16/2008, -2/+14All the next-gen browsers (Firefox 3.1, Safari 4, and Opera 10) will support HTML 5's video element. The problem is getting IE caught up with the rest of the world and to encourage web developers to ignore Apple's and Nokia's FUD about ogg.
- RobotBuddha, on 10/16/2008, -0/+11@jmichaelx
The big holdup in air for linux has been stated as getting flash 10 out the door as a stable release. See last few lines of the article. - Flavor, on 10/16/2008, -0/+11Dude, nobody uses Director anymore.
- inactive, on 10/16/2008, -2/+12Programming is hard.
- geodescent, on 10/16/2008, -0/+10I hope this can only improve the quality of comments on Youtube (by increasing overall I.Q. of userbase that comments), and strangely, here on Digg too as of late...
- inactive, on 10/16/2008, -0/+10i hope the pulse audio bug is fixed..
also i hope fullscreen doesnt cancel out on multi screened machines
lets see ;) - solarwind24, on 10/16/2008, -2/+12Flash won't become irrelevant for a while so long as there is online video streaming.
- sputty01, on 10/16/2008, -0/+10Hello 1998, just take a seat right there :)
- Barackalypse, on 10/16/2008, -4/+14Flash players suck, they should just let you link to an MMS stream in the player of your choice rather than force inferior crap on their users.
- jmichaelx, on 10/16/2008, -1/+10I missed the word 'air' in your first sentence. My mistake.
I dugg you both up as a sign of repentance.
- daftman, on 10/16/2008, -1/+10flash player is still 32bit under all other OS as well.
- pHr34kY, on 10/16/2008, -0/+9I'm already flash 10. Yesterday I got a messge from a site saying "You have flash 10, this requires flash 9"... seriously, WTF?
- JonForTheWin, on 10/16/2008, -0/+9Because like most proprietary software it isn't coded with portability and scalability in mind.
- MWeather, on 10/16/2008, -1/+10Clear it up right now by linking the the source code.
- LastDitchHero, on 10/16/2008, -0/+8It is on a beta now dude, and the next beta release will support V4L 2 so a lot of web cams will be supported. Also the beta fixed a lot of the issues.
- int19h, on 10/16/2008, -0/+8Adobe is doing a great job of keeping the Linux flash player at the level that it's not completely unusable but still not so broken that more open alternatives emerge. How do they do it?
- dn11, on 10/16/2008, -0/+8unfortunately there aren't any perfect solution to fully replace it yet
- pyite, on 10/16/2008, -0/+8Linux is first class. Adobe and Macromedia are still second rate.
- Phases78, on 10/16/2008, -0/+8Awesome! Fixed that annoying bug where dropdown menus went behind flash objects.
- KloroFormd, on 10/16/2008, -0/+7I found the same thing you did. Flash 9 would crash on average about every 2 YouTube video loads. 10 lasts hours.
- feyded, on 10/16/2008, -4/+11I'm going to echo the 64-bit comments. Linux wont have an "equal" flash player until 64-bit is supported.
- digitalpencil, on 10/16/2008, -1/+7HTML 5s video element is not a contender against large-scale FCS grids powering sites like youtube.. Flash is here to stay and despite being often used in situations where its presence is not warranted and by designers who don't have a ***** clue what they're doing, it is also a very strong platform.. AS3 is a ridiculously powerful language and has opened doors for many advanced web-based applications.
In short, Flash isn't going to disappear just because kids keep attaching star-streams to their cursors.. get used to it. - inactive, on 10/16/2008, -0/+6Let's give credit where credit is due. Thanks Adobe. You came around on this one... and we noticed. Good work!
- inactive, on 10/16/2008, -0/+6ah ah! pwned
- roebeet, on 10/16/2008, -0/+6Same here. What bothers me is how 64 bit is still so easily dismissed. RAM is so cheap and the ability to have a 4GB system is really within the average user's means. But you can't use the full 4GB of RAM on a 32-bit system... sooner or later, these companies will have to start catering to the 64-bit market, it's just a matter of when, not if.
- int19h, on 10/16/2008, -1/+7Because the current version of the flash player has a lot of 32-bit x86-specific assembly in it.
- Culyt, on 10/16/2008, -0/+6I think the fact that it *can* crash Firefox shows there are some fundamental problems with modern browser design. Webkit has the same problem though (At least epiphany-webkit under Ubuntu 8.10 beta which crashed continuously on me when I was looking for something liter than Firefox).
All plugins should be in a separate process and just given information about the region they are drawing on through an API.
I really like some of the Chrome ideas, but I don't think even that does separate processes for plugins (It is Webkit based, and Webkit uses the Mozilla plugin system and I don't think Google would have high hopes of getting Adobe to port to a new Plugin system or anything like that), although you would only loose a tab in a Chrome crash.
Of course even if the plugin system doesn't take down the browser, its still kind of useless if the plugin is crashing in the first place.
☢ - seraph227, on 10/16/2008, -8/+14Those who hate Linux only got one reason - they are ignorants and never try to learn to use new stuffs period.
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