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desktoplinux.com — Last year, we waited six lousy months for Flash 9. But today, Adobe launched Flash 10 for Linux the same day as other desktop OSes. Yippee!

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  • RobotBuddha, on 10/15/2008, -4/+20Hopefully this means air will get an official release for linux soon as well. The alphas are still a bit buggy.
    • LastDitchHero, on 10/16/2008, -0/+8It is on a beta now dude, and the next beta release will support V4L 2 so a lot of web cams will be supported. Also the beta fixed a lot of the issues.
      • jmichaelx, on 10/16/2008, -7/+2Am I missing something, or did neither of you bother to even read the first few lines of the article before commenting on it?

      • RobotBuddha, on 10/16/2008, -0/+11@jmichaelx

        The big holdup in air for linux has been stated as getting flash 10 out the door as a stable release. See last few lines of the article.
      • jmichaelx, on 10/16/2008, -1/+10I missed the word 'air' in your first sentence. My mistake.

        I dugg you both up as a sign of repentance.

  • depro9, on 10/15/2008, -0/+36Lets hope they fixed the bugs this time.
    • DeviateSeptum, on 10/16/2008, -1/+2They haven't. I used flash 10 for one day under Ubuntu and had to switch back.
      • pizpot, on 10/21/2008, -0/+1works fine here. if your problem is playing music programs and watching flash at the same time, flash is not the problem. set your music app from pulse to alsa.
    • allywilson, on 10/16/2008, -1/+1depro9 - I just hope they fixed sound for Hardy 64-bit (Tried pretty much every hack to get around it).
  • jasonlfunk, on 10/16/2008, -0/+78Whooo! Full screen Hulu videos aren't choppy! :)
    • tom957, on 10/16/2008, -0/+17it's purely amazing. i never thought i would live to see the day!
    • Barackalypse, on 10/16/2008, -4/+14Flash players suck, they should just let you link to an MMS stream in the player of your choice rather than force inferior crap on their users.
      • MWeather, on 10/16/2008, -1/+2Just save the video and play it later.
      • daftman, on 10/16/2008, -0/+21MMS is a microsoft proprietary format.
        The problem with mms stream is that it will suffer .. [buffering] .. from .. [buffering] ... issues like .. [buffering] .. realplayer with rstp
    • etank, on 10/16/2008, -0/+4Full screen Hulu made my day.
    • fungie5, on 10/17/2008, -0/+1At last! Flash 10 actually performs equally well in both my Ubuntu and XP OSes. Watching full screen flash video in Ubuntu was the last real problem that was plaguing me....not any more! Now if only CNN.com Live would support streaming to Linux....then i would have no need to use XP any longer.
      • pizpot, on 10/21/2008, -0/+1LOL, hardly a reason, unless you like to see what propaganda spins are being used.
  • ArthurSucks, on 10/16/2008, -0/+18It's about damn time!
  • abrusentsev, on 10/16/2008, -0/+4I agree!!
  • 42Vindictive, on 10/16/2008, -1/+150Great, can we get a 64-bit version now? Please? PLEASE?!

    I MEAN WHAT THE *****?! PLEEEASSEE?!!!!!!!?!!
    • emblemparade, on 10/16/2008, -0/+53You're right about your demand, and Adobe very much wants to have this happen.

      Just to clarify, this is an enormous technical challenge. It's not just recompiling the code for a new architecture. The Flash player includes a powerful, and highly optimized interpreter for its internal scripting language. This engine, a product in its own right, needs to be largely rewritten in order to accommodate a 64bit architecture. Such a project can take years, and has been taking years. Part of the problem is that the engine was not originally developed at Adobe, and as such requires pretty much a fresh start to do again, for licensing reasons if for nothing else. And that's just the scripting engine -- there are other, smaller libraries that are part of Flash that offer similar challenges.

      By the way, I'm running the new Flash 10 on my 64bit Ubuntu system, and it seems to suffer from the same problems as the alpha. Firefox stutters, hangs, and sometimes crashes Flash completely (although Firefox does seem to stay intact, and a page refresh starts over... annoying, but less annoying than a full crash.)

      For us 64bit users, we still have to wait a while to become first-class citizens.
      • mooninite, on 10/16/2008, -0/+13emblem, thanks for sharing the info. I read the Adobe Linux blog weekly and I've never seen any detailed info such as you described. Is there anywhere that this has been said?

        P.S. A 64-bit Linux player was demoed publicly very briefly... but either its not considered stable enough, feature-rich, or legally viable as it's hush-hush top secret.
      • fuhrysteve, on 10/16/2008, -1/+6"Part of the problem is that the engine was not originally developed at Adobe, and as such requires pretty much a fresh start to do again, for licensing reasons if for nothing else."

        if licensing issues are the problem, they should look into Creative Commons -- i hear they produce great results.
      • davidkeithjones, on 10/16/2008, -2/+12Programming is hard.
      • dn11, on 10/16/2008, -4/+3I'm still not entirely clear on the current advantages of 64 bit linux anyway
      • DeviateSeptum, on 10/16/2008, -0/+4to emblemparadeemblemparade:
        do you have sources? I don't think the switch should be as hard as you say.

        to dn11:
        the main advantage of 64-bit is to address more memory (>4GB). If anybody mentions increased speed they are generally BS'ing. Some apps will run modestly faster and some will run moderately slower but generally its about the same speed to run a 32-bit OS on a 64-bit machine as it is to run a 64-bit OS. A 64-bit OS can also take up more memory per app because the pointers require more storage space.
      • stu42j, on 10/16/2008, -0/+3Didn't they Open Source the ActionScript VM?

        http://www.mozilla.org/projects/tamarin/
      • DrDabbles, on 10/16/2008, -0/+2Fortunately, x86_64 chips are still capable of running 32bit code natively! So, your argument is what we call "marketing *****". The problem here is the fact that Adobe link to 32bit libraries. We don't need a native 64bit VM under the hood, we need the main application to run on a 64bit OS.
      • eruanno, on 10/17/2008, -0/+1nspluginwrapper
    • seanmc303, on 10/16/2008, -0/+2I ran into the same problem. I found this:
      http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-install-adobe-fla ...

      This has a method to install Flash Player 10 on Ubuntu 8.04 64bit.
      This method relies on a custom shell script. I looked at the script and the script looks good. I ran the script and it worked for me. The only problem I can see with this method is that aptitude may have a hard time with properly updating the Flash player if an update is ever shipped as the script performs many manual processes in its install process.
  • azpat, on 10/16/2008, -23/+13YAY Proprietary software for my open source OS. That will show those proprietary software vendors!
    • boot20, on 10/16/2008, -0/+5I thought we cleared this myth up in 2003....
    • MWeather, on 10/16/2008, -1/+10Clear it up right now by linking the the source code.
    • jmichaelx, on 10/16/2008, -2/+3Amen @ azpat
  • sw1nglinestaplr, on 10/16/2008, -2/+18I just pelvic thrusted.
    • davidkeithjones, on 10/16/2008, -4/+2Uh Oh! McCain took one too many blood thinners again!
  • spyd3rweb, on 10/16/2008, -4/+59Now to just get website designers to stop using Flash so it becomes irrelevant.
    • solarwind24, on 10/16/2008, -2/+12Flash won't become irrelevant for a while so long as there is online video streaming.
      • Darkhacker, on 10/16/2008, -2/+14All the next-gen browsers (Firefox 3.1, Safari 4, and Opera 10) will support HTML 5's video element. The problem is getting IE caught up with the rest of the world and to encourage web developers to ignore Apple's and Nokia's FUD about ogg.
      • digitalpencil, on 10/16/2008, -1/+7HTML 5s video element is not a contender against large-scale FCS grids powering sites like youtube.. Flash is here to stay and despite being often used in situations where its presence is not warranted and by designers who don't have a ***** clue what they're doing, it is also a very strong platform.. AS3 is a ridiculously powerful language and has opened doors for many advanced web-based applications.

        In short, Flash isn't going to disappear just because kids keep attaching star-streams to their cursors.. get used to it.
    • tehmoth, on 10/16/2008, -2/+3unfortunately then it will be replaced by air|silverlight|some other crappy binary only plugin tech.
    • dn11, on 10/16/2008, -0/+8unfortunately there aren't any perfect solution to fully replace it yet
    • ilgaz, on 10/19/2008, -0/+1Lets all move to Moonlight with Mono half ass emulation layer? Be careful what you wish for.

  • gordonf238, on 10/16/2008, -27/+4Linux this, Linux that. Listen, I'm as happy as a smurf who just got laid, but let's be honest, few outside of the digg community have heard of Linux, let alone adopted it. A dozen front-page diggs a day ain't gonna help because, it's still just on digg. You dig? So instead tell your ma, your aunt, your drunken bro about it. Tell them they can get a Dell with something OTHER than windows. Something that's free, secure, and far less pain-in-the-ass than that which comes out of Mr. Gates' house. They'll listen, believe me. Just quit wetting yourselves over every Linux article posted here. It really does you no good.
    • Pundan, on 10/16/2008, -1/+16"Few outside of the digg community". You think you belong to some special group? Digg is kind of an widely popular site and Linux is really well-known all over the world.
      • gordonf238, on 10/16/2008, -11/+4You're preaching to the choir. I would bet 95% of people browsing the web don't even know about Digg. Thus, its popularity can hardly be categorized as "widely popular", much less Linux. But do take my words of advice. If you spread the word around, Linux's awareness amongst the citizen body will grow. Arguing with me on digg... will not benefit you nor the growth of Linux!
    • huff51, on 10/16/2008, -0/+12what are you talking about? i would bet most linux users have never heard of digg.
    • CaptSnuffy, on 10/16/2008, -0/+5mmm smurfette
    • smurf22, on 10/16/2008, -0/+5No, I'm happy as a smurf because I now have flash on my linux desktop.
  • monzsca, on 10/16/2008, -3/+34No 64 bit. Although they did reduce the time it takes to crash Firefox, they got it down to instantly. That's pretty impressive. Version 9 took a few hours.
    • JamesBrown, on 10/16/2008, -1/+14I find that Firefox crashes much less with Flash 10 than it did with 9

      but honestly, it shouldn't crash Firefox at all. Why do these companies think that it's okay to release buggy software for Linux? If Adobe pulled this crap on Windows or MacOS nobody would use their software.

      Almost makes me want to see Silverlight take over. At least Microsoft is working with developers on an open source Linux version.
      • KloroFormd, on 10/16/2008, -0/+7I found the same thing you did. Flash 9 would crash on average about every 2 YouTube video loads. 10 lasts hours.
    • Culyt, on 10/16/2008, -0/+6I think the fact that it *can* crash Firefox shows there are some fundamental problems with modern browser design. Webkit has the same problem though (At least epiphany-webkit under Ubuntu 8.10 beta which crashed continuously on me when I was looking for something liter than Firefox).

      All plugins should be in a separate process and just given information about the region they are drawing on through an API.

      I really like some of the Chrome ideas, but I don't think even that does separate processes for plugins (It is Webkit based, and Webkit uses the Mozilla plugin system and I don't think Google would have high hopes of getting Adobe to port to a new Plugin system or anything like that), although you would only loose a tab in a Chrome crash.

      Of course even if the plugin system doesn't take down the browser, its still kind of useless if the plugin is crashing in the first place.

      ☢
    • xchristx, on 10/16/2008, -1/+3try gnash:

      http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/

      It's not perfect, but it's better than nothing.
      • DBeta, on 10/16/2008, -0/+4In my attempts to use gnash, it wasn't better than nothing. It may be better now(it's been a few months), but when I tried it, no websites I frequent with flash worked. No youtube, pretty much nothing on newgrounds, no homestarrunner, and no adultswim.com. Sorry, but that makes it worthless. And was worse than nothing, because it wasted my time.

        Oh how I wish there was a good open sourced alternative, but last time I tried, Gnash wasn't it.
    • pizpot, on 10/21/2008, -0/+1I love how people insist on having 64 bit ubuntu, and then complain how flakey it is. (for flash)
      • pizpot, on 10/21/2008, -0/+1Try this: dual boot 32 and 64 bit, and see for yourself.
  • GarrettGrimsley, on 10/16/2008, -0/+5Flash was never really a problem for me other than the Cisco NetAcad site which crashed out under all the different *nix distributions I tried.
    • foltaggio, on 10/16/2008, -0/+3I was able to use the Cisco NetAcad site on Linux Flash 9 well (Ubuntu 8.04, Firefox 3.0.2)
    • cheeseplease, on 10/16/2008, -0/+2Yeah for me neither, I never had any flash trouble. Watching videos full screen works just fine and it crashes maybe once every week. Just reopen firefox and restore last session.
  • Compserd, on 10/16/2008, -0/+20They even have .debs for Ubuntu, this is awesome! Hopefully that have fixed the bug that causes browser crashes.
  • lopla, on 10/16/2008, -0/+27no 64bit? hopes and dreams dashed. Back to random grey boxes, browser restarts. sigh
    • roebeet, on 10/16/2008, -0/+6Same here. What bothers me is how 64 bit is still so easily dismissed. RAM is so cheap and the ability to have a 4GB system is really within the average user's means. But you can't use the full 4GB of RAM on a 32-bit system... sooner or later, these companies will have to start catering to the 64-bit market, it's just a matter of when, not if.
    • regeya, on 10/16/2008, -0/+5Disclaimer: I've not tried this yet, and it's Ubuntu-centric, but this person claims to be using Flash 10 on Hardy. Seems like a bit of a pain, but not just too awful bad.

      http://meandubuntu.wordpress.com/2008/08/20/flash- ...
    • tobiasly, on 10/16/2008, -0/+3i agree, although fyi you don't need to restart the browser... go to Add-Ons, Plugins, then Disable and re-Enable the Flash plugin. Yes it's still a PITA but you don't lose whatever else you were doing.
      • Culyt, on 10/16/2008, -0/+3Hmm that is something that an extension could help with massively, just a simple toolbar button that does that automatically.

        Maybe even one that does it every page change (if you have gone from flash running to no flash).

        ☢
    • gettothechoppa, on 10/16/2008, -0/+2Same here -- echo of @roebeet. Just big gray boxes. Argh.
    • ilgaz, on 10/16/2008, -0/+2Do you people use browsers needing more than 4G of RAM?
  • thrikulam, on 10/16/2008, -19/+4LINUX-LAWL
  • dougbarrett, on 10/16/2008, -0/+4I think they are doing this because the new HTML standard is going to include many media things to be embedded, such as videos. This means it will much much easier to put videos on websites, it will push the different open source media formats, and therefore make Linux a much viable option to users who just use the computer to go online. Of course Adobe wants to make Linux a key player, because they can see that with the new HTML standard, Linux has a good chance of taking a niche of the market.
    • mithrasinvictus, on 10/16/2008, -0/+3I think this is a result of microsoft making a move for their turf with silverlight. Since MS became a competitor it is no longer a good idea to give them preferential treatment.
    • ilgaz, on 10/16/2008, -0/+2They are doing because the future is devices and devices such as Asus Eee PC runs Linux optimally. Don't forget the set top boxes, ATM stuff etc.
      It is not like MS released Silverlight for Linux and Adobe got afraid of it nor the W3C standard which is WRONG from the start. Nobody will choose ogg for video which is based on outdated VP3.
  • Paulorific, on 10/16/2008, -17/+2I wish you could filter out certain types of articles.
  • megagram, on 10/16/2008, -3/+19Seriously, why is it so hard for them to compile a 64-bit version? Seriously, guys!
    • int19h, on 10/16/2008, -1/+7Because the current version of the flash player has a lot of 32-bit x86-specific assembly in it.
    • JonForTheWin, on 10/16/2008, -0/+9Because like most proprietary software it isn't coded with portability and scalability in mind.
      • ilgaz, on 10/19/2008, -0/+1You mean the Flash which runs on my ARM Symbian handset? Please don't memorize mottos.

  • sea206town, on 10/16/2008, -25/+4***** Linux.
    • GarrettGrimsley, on 10/16/2008, -1/+3You think that the vendor only concentrating on Windows and Macs is nixes fault?
    • tHeSiD, on 10/16/2008, -0/+6i doubt he had such a deep message in his rant
  • Bicep, on 10/16/2008, -0/+24Cheers to that!! http://digg.com/users/Bicep/gallery/8678979/p.jpg

    GO GNU/LINUX!!!!

    AWESOME!!!
  • Infowarmachine, on 10/16/2008, -0/+10i hope the pulse audio bug is fixed..

    also i hope fullscreen doesnt cancel out on multi screened machines

    lets see ;)
  • reconsldr74d, on 10/16/2008, -4/+32Why are there always at least a few people who pop in to these articles just to say that they hate Linux? Look if your life is that boring maybe you should consider finding a constructive hobby. Trolls must be even worse assholes in person. That being said....

    I think it's good that more companies are supporting the open source community but it would be even better if they just GPLed their damn code already.
  • seraph227, on 10/16/2008, -8/+14Those who hate Linux only got one reason - they are ignorants and never try to learn to use new stuffs period.
    • InfernoX, on 10/16/2008, -4/+2Thing is Linux feels OLD. Call me when it becomes usable to non-coders.
      • subgeniusd, on 10/16/2008, -0/+1Try Mepis, Ubuntu, Linux Mint, PCLinuxOS.

        Or better yet stay with Windows and stay out of here.
  • geodescent, on 10/16/2008, -0/+10I hope this can only improve the quality of comments on Youtube (by increasing overall I.Q. of userbase that comments), and strangely, here on Digg too as of late...
  • elfprince13, on 10/16/2008, -11/+3wait, Flash 10 just came out?

    oh, right :) my desktop doesn't pop up with obnoxious messages every few weeks asking me to upgrade. is anyone actually using Flash 10 yet?
  • Barackalypse, on 10/16/2008, -17/+6So since flash sucks, Linux is now equally sucky?
    • syme6, on 10/16/2008, -0/+1yeah and i suppose you avoid flash to watch embedded .mov files then?
  • Dylson, on 10/16/2008, -19/+4Who gives a *****?
  • CCUboogernjit, on 10/16/2008, -2/+4When is shockwave director for linux coming out? The article says linux is now a first class OS. First class my ass! I really need director for the online component of a calculus class I am taking. I found out is not supported the hard way.
    • Flavor, on 10/16/2008, -0/+11Dude, nobody uses Director anymore.
    • sputty01, on 10/16/2008, -0/+10Hello 1998, just take a seat right there :)
    • pyite, on 10/16/2008, -0/+8Linux is first class. Adobe and Macromedia are still second rate.
    • Flavor, on 10/16/2008, -0/+1Try VirtualBox
  • nmanguy, on 10/16/2008, -2/+7Bravo Adobe, good job.
  • yamaniac, on 10/16/2008, -5/+5Bah!!!! Flash!!!
  • Phases78, on 10/16/2008, -0/+8Awesome! Fixed that annoying bug where dropdown menus went behind flash objects.
    • tylerjwilk, on 10/16/2008, -0/+1indeed!, that was the first thing i checked!
  • FastFreddie2, on 10/16/2008, -1/+1Well done Adobe! An eye for the future.
  • feyded, on 10/16/2008, -4/+11I'm going to echo the 64-bit comments. Linux wont have an "equal" flash player until 64-bit is supported.
    • daftman, on 10/16/2008, -1/+10flash player is still 32bit under all other OS as well.
  • pyite, on 10/16/2008, -0/+14This title is Bull *****.

    Linux is not an equal Flash player until they release the flash development tools as native LInux apps. I still cannot build flash apps without paying (or pirating) Gates or Jobs.
    • ruiaf, on 10/16/2008, -0/+3You mean something like flex builder for linux? Yeah, they really should do that.
  • int19h, on 10/16/2008, -0/+8Adobe is doing a great job of keeping the Linux flash player at the level that it's not completely unusable but still not so broken that more open alternatives emerge. How do they do it?
  • Culyt, on 10/16/2008, -5/+3Great, just in time for Flash 11 to be released ☹.

    Hopefully Adobe will actually do something with their OpenScreen project that can benefit the OpenSource community (rather than just Mobile phone developers like they are currently). Such as release the Flash wrapper code which they talked about a while back in May (or even better just release the Flash player source).

    There are of course patents in Flash so it can never really be Open™ (Well at least not for 20 years). There are heaps of 3rd party media codecs and probably other technologies.

    http://h3g3m0n.wordpress.com/2008/05/08/open-video ...

    ☢
  • Wasyu, on 10/16/2008, -0/+3Seems linux is finaly getting some respect but no 64bit version yet oh well.
    As for codecs adobe can slowly switch over to open codecs not subject to idiot software patents.
    Switching to thora might even improve the performance since it's a little less cpu intensive then H.264.
    Other patents such as most of whats used in MP3 are expired or nearly expired since they date back to the late 70s to early 90s anyway or could be replaced with vorbis.
    A change in the law also can happen and could be likely since e-patents have done little to help the US software industry and if any have harmed it.
  • maninalift, on 10/16/2008, -3/+3good start but sort out 64bit dammit. Who is running a 32bit machine these days? So why make us run 32 bit software?
    • sathia, on 10/16/2008, -1/+4i do
    • InfernoX, on 10/16/2008, -0/+1lots of people who run XP
    • Viriatus2, on 10/16/2008, -0/+299% of desktops?
    • subgeniusd, on 10/16/2008, -0/+1Why even bother with 64 bit if you have a lot of perfectly functional 32 bit systems? Unless you're doing heavy video editing there's very little perfomance difference.
    • roebeet, on 10/17/2008, -0/+1If you want to utilize your full 4GB (or higher) RAM, you need a 64-bit OS. This is the only reason why I run 64-bit Ubuntu.

      4GB RAM is less than $70 US, now (check Crucial) - I think this will put people over the edge and finally move them to 64-bit, not performance. Adobe needs to get its head out its ass.
  • pHr34kY, on 10/16/2008, -0/+9I'm already flash 10. Yesterday I got a messge from a site saying "You have flash 10, this requires flash 9"... seriously, WTF?
    • Viriatus2, on 10/16/2008, -0/+6ah ah! pwned
    • gplpark92, on 10/16/2008, -0/+5reverse fail
    • DeviateSeptum, on 10/16/2008, -0/+3Well, at least that message makes sense. Have you come across the errors of the sort that say "You need the latest version of Flash to run this site. You are running version 10 and this site needs 7 or higher".
    • cros, on 10/16/2008, -0/+2It's likely some jackass checking for the major version of 9 exactly and not version of 9 _and greater_.
  • mindhaq, on 10/16/2008, -0/+5Yeah, some of those wide-spread flash-version-detection-scripts only check the first digit of the version number. A little like the millenium bug *hr hr*
  • MemoryDump, on 10/16/2008, -1/+4great.. now can they release Linux version of Photoshop? (I can dream no?)
  • graahBrains, on 10/16/2008, -1/+3in before crying about source code.
  • Vadi0, on 10/16/2008, -1/+2Adobe AIR rocks. You can already use it actually, except the install badge thing doesn't work - you have to look at source code of page for the .air link and open it (really sucky workaround).
  • ilgaz, on 10/16/2008, -0/+2Just print this page to PDF or save it and check back in 2 hours when MS hired Web 2 typing monkeys and idiots such as Icaza camp doing it free pollute the comments with their Silverlight ramblings.
    They released Linux version the very same day as Windows or OS X eh? Know how huge it is? No it isn't done because they are afraid of that half working moonlight clone. It is a change of direction...
    Now if they just used the Helix Community model of shipping the source and keep the codecs closed?
  • ilgaz, on 10/16/2008, -0/+3Did Linux version enable SMP/Multi Core just like the OS X version? Even on PowerPC, Flash uses all cores/CPUs now when needed.
    I also think they are using Cairo framework for acceleration on 3 different OS.
  • morepowerr, on 10/16/2008, -1/+4OK So when do we get a "Adobe Shockwave Player" for linux ?
    • AaronMT, on 10/16/2008, -0/+4Honestly, why would you want that?
    • ilgaz, on 10/19/2008, -0/+1Shockwave is the king of high quality small games. Also when there is Shockwave framework you can install binaries of games and play them fullscreen.
      It needs a massive work though and I don't think it will happen. Shockwave has gigantic extensions for 3d graphics etc. They should be ported too.
  • morepowerr, on 10/16/2008, -5/+2When I can play games like quake 3,WoW & DAoC in my Firefox I will be happy, till then. I am not impressed.
    • InfernoX, on 10/16/2008, -0/+3you're confusing flash( a 2d engine) with 3d rendering engines.
  • anchorman, on 10/16/2008, -0/+6Let's give credit where credit is due. Thanks Adobe. You came around on this one... and we noticed. Good work!
  • emotecontrol, on 10/16/2008, -1/+1Wow, that means that the Sony browser was up-to-date for what, a day, before being rendered inadequate again. It just got Flash 9.
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