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- wjglenn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4>There's plenty of people who think Windows should
>start a nut sucking factory too, but they're not out announcing it.
Announcing, no. More like screaming it from the rooftops.
These platform flames are just stupid, and people who engage in them almost always lose credibility for me. Every platform has its strengths and weaknesses. Really, it comes down to personal choice.
Microsoft = Designing a system primarily for developers and really lavishing support and tools on them, which means that there have always been more apps for Windows and it is an easier, cheaper system to develop for. Windows XP is actually a great system. I use it all the time. My computers don't crash; they aren't insecure. I know what I'm doing. I also write about tech for a living, so Microsoft has been the most profit-generating specialty for me.
Apple = Designing a system primarily for the user. My wife uses a Mac. I used one for years and still use and support them. OSX is a beautiful system, there's no doubt, and what Macs do, they tend to do really well. Does it crash less than a Windows system? Not really in my experience. All computers have problems. Learning a thing or two about the tools you use cuts that down to a fraction.
Linux = A system designed by a dedicated group of talented folks. More secure than Windows from the get-go? Yes, of course. But that security comes at a usability cost and, at least currently, with a steep learning curve. That will get better though (and has been getting much better for some time now).
There's room for all of them. I run Linux routers and Web servers. I run Windows XP for my primary workstation and make my living understanding Microsoft products, and it behaves well. Honestly, I'd live most of my computing life on a Mac if I could have everything there I needed, but I also don't want to invest in two separate computers. I find using a Mac (aside from a couple of big annoyances) a peacful experience.
On the subject of Microsoft's impending doom, well, no news there. They are on top and have a saturated market. The only place to go is down, as other OSes continue to improve and make inrooads into Microsoft's established market base. It's inevitable. But they aren't going anywhere. And I'd still be surprised to see another OS come out on top of Windows anytime in the near future.
And as long I'm on, can I make an impassioned plea? Stop using a dollar sign in Microsoft's initials. It just makes you look like an idiot. - crash331, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I just read the article. ::sigh:: It said itself that microsoft made 1.4 million per hour in 2004. I'd love to sink my own ship that way.
- geomon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@verucasalt
"What is funny is that these live CD's are hurting Linux adoption, because people can easily see how amateur and useless Linux is - and then just as easily get rid of it."
Funny how some people see opportunity where others see a weakness.
I've sold several Windows systems with a free Knoppix Linux CD rather than build a dual-boot machine. Over the course of a year I have rebuilt half of those machines to be dual boot. A quarter of the remaining machines purchased as high-end workstations eventually became Linux machines.
Only 25% of the machines I've put in service stayed exclusively Windows for more than three years. - danielson, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Wow, I've never heard of someone predicting Microsofts impending doom before...
- Arramol, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3As much as I've enjoyed my experiments with Linux, I'm not quite ready to get rid of Windows. For one thing, I've amassed a fairly respectable (not to mention pricey) software library over the years that won't run on Linux (WINE is hit or miss, and in my experience, usually a miss). And then there are games.
Don't get me wrong, I've found a lot of uses for Linux. Ubuntu is my OS of choice for the laptop I take with me to classes. But my desktop, where I do my higher level stuff (photo/video editing, games, etc.) is still first and foremost a Windows machine.
And even if Linux eventually does manage to meet or exceed every single use for Windows, that doesn't guarantee it'll replace it. Look at OS X for example. Fantastic operating system, albeit on the pricey side. And do you see it dethroning Microsoft? No! It hardly makes a dent. The overwhelming majority of users aren't like us. They can barely run a computer. A lot of them have never even heard of Linux. And none of them are interested in switching. I've talked to some people about some of the advantages of Linux. They just don't consider it to be worth the hassle. Whether it actually is or not doesn't matter.
I'd love to see Linux reign supreme, if for no other reason than to save myself some cash on my next PC build. But it's just not happening. At least not any time soon. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4If they're loosing, why don't they just get tighter?
- arzdb, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Adelstein, judging from his diggs, is a bit of a linux fanboy (don't get me wrong, I like my linux too) so might there be some bias?
- tadelste, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Let's see, John Dvorak isn't a biased fanboy? Any other biased Microsoft writers? Ghee, when did writing for a pro Microsoft publication generate objective reporting.
Of course, it's biased. But it's objective bias not a flame and not a rant. - IceUck, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2How many times this week have I seen people write "loosing" when they mean "losing".
I'm not a spelling Nazi, but c'mon people. - Ugli, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5Oooh, a linux news site predicts doom and gloom for Microsoft! Stop the presses!
Wake me up when someone who even pretends to have an objective view has an opinion in this area. - thecolorme, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I agree that Microsoft's clock is ticking. I personally think that Apple is poised to grab the desktop market with the introduction of the Intel Based Mac's. Now people have the option to run multiple operating systems along side the "world's best OS", it just makes sense to switch.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO WINS!!!
I couldn't care less is Microsoft stays or goes. I don't see what you people are arguing about. Who gives a ***** if Vista wins, Linux wins, OS X wins, or if OS/2 wins (joke). Regardless of who wins, all those little programs/games you want will be developed on the winning platform, so you'll be able to do whatever you see yourself doing a few years from now regardless of the operating system you are using. *yawn* - gildude, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I for one an glad Linux (who is that guy anyway) isn't waiting since Microsoft's ship isn't sinking. This Linux guy must be smart enough not to wait in line for a show that isn't happening.
- gotamd, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I really don't see Microsoft on the decline in any meaningful way.
- Tracon, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3This is such a useless debate seriously there all good for different things.
Linux configured correctly is stable and open. You can tinker with everything and run some seriously high end stuff. Super Computers don't run on Windows or OS X they run on Unix and other types of Linux. Its harder to learn than Windows or OS X but when you do know how its perfect.
Mac OS X is used allot by publishers of books, mags, and photography and has been the standard in that world for a very very long time. Its great for non computer people every thing is setup pretty well and is reasonably stable and has plenty of power. A lot of OS X is based on actually or uses Unix and Linux code. But hardware is controlled which is great for people who don't know what there doing or don't want to bother with hardware. Its getting better though for games, that's personally why i think they didn't do so well in the past. They had no graphics acceleration until recently and that matters to allot of people.
Windows, lots and lots of software has and will be built for it odds are if you need something someone will sell it to you. Its every were and everyone knows its name. It can have stability problems if you seriously mess around with it or the massive amount of virus's and spy-ware built to get in it. Some of the security problems are there fault and some are not. They do need to start issuing patch's faster i think everyone can agree on that.
Either way using one OS over another doesn't make you a better person. Use what you like and try some new stuff and you will be surprised. I use Linux for programing and as a router. Trying to get a Myth TV box going too. But when its time for some WoW or BF2 i boot up Windows. And i use a Mac at work every once and awhile for pictures and video editing and it works great. Seriously calm down its just an OS - Company_Man, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3I'm supposed to take someone who can't distingish losing from loosing seriously?
- opinionmonkey, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1two questions
1. why do so many want to see microsoft go down?
and before you answer that
2. Who is helping the economy more?
I happen to remember microsoft paying a lot more salaries than linux - SpeedyG, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3You mean to tell me that a Linux-related site's chief editor thinks that Microsoft is doomed? NO WAI!!!
Lame. - MelvinSchlubman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Some on this thread aren't old enough to know the air of invincibility that IBM had in the 70's. Then they struggled, until they managed to reinvent themselves. Like all empires (Roman), MS has made enough enemies that eventually they will be overrun. The question is whether they'll be able to survive that and adapt themselves to the new environment. Patience, Grasshopper.
- adml_shake, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1well I don't think this is MS's time yet, you can't stay on top forever.
- reclusivemonkey, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1All great Empires fall. Period.
- nathan1313us, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Every day one of these Linux vs Windows ***** posts makes it to the front page and mindless people bitch about how much better Windows or Linux is. But not once have i seen someone switch. So my only question is, whats the point?
- Demagogue, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Last I checked, more people are buying PCs with windows than any other operating sysmte, and I dont think linux will EVER overtake windows simply because linux isnt just one OS, its all the distros
- stimpack, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Sadly Microsoft will always be around, people like my Mom and Dad, they know crap all about computers, they are firm Microserfs.
Linux may gain ground, but not significantly, the lowest common denominator always wins, whether that is Reality-TV or MS Windows. - FishyJoe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I remember when everyone was ready to sink Microsoft because they didn't understand the internet. Netscape was going to be a player because they had the best browser and web server. Java was going to make the OS obsolete.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -7/+8Get a life.
People have been predicting Microsoft's death since it was started. Whether it was Apple. IBM or Google, someone is always claiming that another company is about to steal MS's thunder. - sgtpinky, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Microsoft makes money by lying, intimidating, and shipping mostly-bad products. The software business thrives but the software suffers."
How about, Microsoft employs gazillions of US and international workers, providing them with enough money to buy houses, cars and the occasional Bratwurst when they are taking an international holiday with their $$$ in Germany.
You talk about Microsoft like it's one 7 year old kid, that needs to be told to stand in a corner for doing something wrong. - geomon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"I tried linux and it's a pos."
I have never really understood what that type of statement means. There are over 100 distros of Linux, all of varying capabilities. The High Performance Computing Center where I work uses Linux to model weather for climate studies and it handles those tasks quite well.
What distro did you use and what were you trying to make it do?
"Maybe and thats a big maybe in 10 years it will be feasible."
Feasible to do what?
As I said, there are plenty of areas of computing where Linux is performing jobs where Microsoft products are currently absent. And Linux has been running webservers all over the internet successfully, and in greater numbers than Windows, for years.
"Vista will sink linux big time."
Will Vista be a High Performance Computing OS? - akatrito, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1OMG Microsoft is going to DIE!
OMG Apple is going to DIE!
OMG Linux is going to DIE!
i've heard it all before, and im still waiting. point is, its not going to happen. - Anchoret, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Just more mendacious Linux advocacy tripe. He gets only a few sentences out before the willful lying starts. Will MS eventually croak? Sure. Will it croak because ca.2006 desktop Linux works well for most people? No.
Desktop Linux will never be a threat to anything except its users until it gets tremendously well-funded, tightly-managed and ruthlessly criticized development -- in short, the polar opposite of what it has now. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I love my iBook and no longer use MS Windows, but I think the rumours of Microsofts demise are a bit early.
- rompom7, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0people don't understand how marketing and investment techniques change. if microsoft notice they are going down, they have more than enough resources to change their technique.
- Lynn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@geomon
Show me facts that show Microsoft is dieing. - robbh66, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Windows, ergo Microsoft, isnt going anywhere until users can do almost everything they need and want in linux without any knowledge of the command line. Apart from being a foreign language to most users, why would they want to spend the time? I hate to say it, but as far as linux has come in the last few years in usability, it still has a ways to go. Until linux users get the same double click functionality out of linux they do in windows- they're going to stick with windows.
- tadelste, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0We're not arguing about which OS is best. At least that's not what the article is about. This turned into a flame war without people reading the article. It deals with Microsoft as a company and how they missed a few opportunities, where their going with their products and the industry expectation that the company will have lower profit margins in the fuuture.
Wierd science, huh? - geomon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@rebrad
"Get over it and get a MacTel. You can still be a rebel and dress better."
OH, GAWD! That was SO FUNNY!
*****! I'm gasping for air! Crap, dude! That was so ^gasp!^ FUNNY!!!!!
Ahhhh! "Dress" Ohh!!! "Better"
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!
Whew! - bentman78, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"If they're loosing, why don't they just get tighter?"
The more your tighten your grip....the more star systems will slip through your fingers...... - Dogmatix, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Tom, it's far better if you keep taking the medication! Perhaps you could try thirty times the dose and do us all a favour.rnrnThe fact that this idiot thinks that Microsoft has no penetration in the mission critical space is simply delusional. Mission critical applications are simply not run on Linux (and if you think that they are, you should become more familiar with the technical terminology).
- geomon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@lynn
"Show me facts that show Microsoft is dieing."
I never claimed Microsoft was dying. I said that there are some valid points in the article regarding the technological momentum that Microsoft had and what their prospects are for the future. They are easily the most dominant software manufacturer at present and look to be a substantial force in the near future. But their future dominance is by no means assured. That is why IBM gets brought up so often.
Microsoft is not dying anymore than IBM is dead. In fact, Microsoft may one day be like IBM; a mature information technology corporation that provides excellence in software services tailored to business applications and productivity applications. They may even be a majority player in the entertainment electronics industry, but that is not assured either. Five years ago there were people making the case for the demise of Nokia as Microsoft was making its entrance into cell phones.
What is Microsoft's current position in cell phones?
@valis
"Bad title and doggy article. Amounts to little more than speculation based on scant evidence and Linux Fan mania."
It is funny how a fan mania can develop into market dominance. Please see the following thread about the Mac v. Windows wars of years gone by. No one would have predicted (other than Gates and Ballmer) that Microsoft would be the standard for PCs in 1988.
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.ibm.pc/browse_thread/thread/e20d450f69a97e8d/b193d1e4697ac6e9?lnk=st&q=windows+apple&rnum=10&hl=en#b193d1e4697ac6e9 - holotone, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Switcher right here.. Last week, actually, to my first Linux distro, Ubuntu. rnrnAnd, I couldn't be happier.
- thewhitefedora, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0geomon=Vista will sink linux big time
Bullcrap, Vista will be riddled with more bugs than XP and 98 combined, and %50 percent of it's patches will come from third-party developers.rnrn[By the way, I don't use mac or linux, I run windows, and I honestly hate windows and microsoft] - Bellyache5, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0The guy who wrote that article would do well to retake 6th grade English. His writing is terrible.
- geomon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@lynn
"I never said that Microsoft had superior products. I am just stating facts."
I know you never said they had superior products.
"They do not have a monopoly on server software but they continue to have double digit increases in that market."
They have double-digit increases in revenues. That is different than double-digit increases in installations. I can double my revenue with the same number of licenses by increasing my prices.
"Other non-monopoly gains:
Information Worker revenue was $2.56 billion, with an operating profit of $1.89 billion, for year-over year growth of 14%."
Which proves they are doing well at competing with IBM. Compare their revenues v. profits with others in this sector and you will see that most are doing similarly well.
"Microsoft Business Solutions revenue was $160 million, a year-over-year increase of 9%."
Which means they are doing more consulting. Good for them. How do their revenues compare with CA?
"MSN revenue was $540 million, with an operating profit of $77 million, or year-over-year growth of 10%. Twenty-three percent increase in advertising revenue."
And Google dominates that market with no signs of slowing. What does that prove?
"Mobile and Embedded Devices revenue was $69 million with a year-over-year increase of 30%. Microsoft sees strong Smartphone license sales; during the fiscal second quarter the company expects to sell more Smartphone licenses than all of fiscal 2004."
Except that their posted gains in this field are anemic compared to what they *should* have been considering they have been in the mobile/embedded market for more than 5 years. I consider their sales/revenues in this field to be insignificant for the market.
"Microsoft is a very strong company."
No doubt.
"Nothing last forever but I doubt anyone reading this will ever see the downfall of Microsoft."
They aren't falling. They are stalling.
The stock price supports my opinion. - naples, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0lol....keep dreaming.
- SilentBobSC, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0O-M-G! An anti-microsoft blog post on Digg?! Who woulda thunk it?!
- geomon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@Bellyache5
Wow! Stunning retort!
SNAP! - stoops, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Are we still arguing about which OS is the best? Why can't we just use what we love and whatever happens, happens. Linux nowadays is a great desktop os to get actual work done (secure, stable, opensource, free, thousands of programs), Windows is great for playing the lastest graphics intensive games, and OSX for a bit of both of what i mentioned above. The best setup would be a triple boot system, wouldn't you agree?
- Lynn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@geomon
I never said that Microsoft had superior products. I am just stating facts. They do not have a monopoly on server software but they continue to have double digit increases in that market.
Other non-monopoly gains:
Information Worker revenue was $2.56 billion, with an operating profit of $1.89 billion, for year-over year growth of 14%.
Microsoft Business Solutions revenue was $160 million, a year-over-year increase of 9%.
MSN revenue was $540 million, with an operating profit of $77 million, or year-over-year growth of 10%. Twenty-three percent increase in advertising revenue.
Mobile and Embedded Devices revenue was $69 million with a year-over-year increase of 30%. Microsoft sees strong Smartphone license sales; during the fiscal second quarter the company expects to sell more Smartphone licenses than all of fiscal 2004.
Microsoft is a very strong company. Nothing last forever but I doubt anyone reading this will ever see the downfall of Microsoft. - pyrolyte, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Microsoft isnt dying. It is stagnant. Thats much worse. Dying means you are trying. It isnt even trying anymore.
Steve Jobs is trying. He is now the largest stock holder of Disney. The new market is the shotgun wedding between the computer industry and the entertainment industry. Jobs is holding the gun. The PC is nothing more than a cable box anymore. How many cable box OS writing companies make billions of dollars? - valis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0There are a thousand suckers born every minute.
Bad title and doggy article. Amounts to little more than speculation based on scant evidence and Linux Fan mania.
No digg. -
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