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- UprightJoe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I'm an audio engineer and software developer. Currently, I'm using Digital Performer on the OS X platform. In the past I've used Pro Tools, CuBase and Nuendo in different capacities on PC and Macintosh platforms.
I can't get to the Musix site right now due to the digdotting but I assume it includes Ardour as the main DAW. Having seen Ardour on a friend's machine, I think it's a very competitive DAW from a core technology standpoint. For the most part, it's perfectly equivalent to all of the tools I've listed above.
The problem is, when it comes to professional use, the base DAW software doesn't mean anything. It's more or less a commodity these days. It's the 3rd party hardware, effects and virtual instruments that matter. There are very few high quality free audio plugins available due to the overwhelming complexity of creating them. Until there are, anybody serious about recording has to go with a platform that is supported by the major 3rd party vendors. Unfortunately, VST support in Ardour is not up to snuff and nobody is developing for LADSPA. I can't consider a DAW until I can reliably use my UAD-1 cards, MOTU 896HD's, Anteres Auto-Tuner, Native Instruments B4, and Waves plugins at a minimum.
Also, the cost of the core DAW software really is a drop in the bucket compared to the rest of the equipment. I have a very modest setup and I probably have $20,000 invested if you include microphones and everything. Why would I even worry about saving the $300-1200 for the DAW?
All of that being said, I'm glad there are people working on a free digital audio workstation and I hope that it continues to mature and develop. I would have loved something similar when I was growing up. It certainly beats the pants off the old fostex 4-track. It couId also be great for students or people who want to rig up something on the cheap. When you don't have any money, it always feels better to find a free application that does what you need as opposed to pirating something.
I especially hope that as it matures the developers who worked on it transition into working on interesting effects and virtual instruments. - Scoota, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5ilyag: Are you involved in the manufacture of these systems professional systems hence your skepticism about some free software that some guys have put together in a Linux distro for people to try?
"and no real composer would use them for real production work."
Hold on! what about all those guys that wrote music music before computers were invented? Or the great dance/techno music that came out of musicians messing around on Atari STs or Amigas? I didn't see them with 1000's of dollar of software.
I'm a keen Photoshop user and don't feel anything else comes close to it. But I won't belittle all the other apps that are free or cheap and allow people to be creative. - thedreampolice, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Also, A good artist should be able to create great work with any software. Its all in how you use it.
- rtfx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3The people trying to knock down this and other audio distros most likely have special interests at heart. There are some absolutely fantastic things being done with F/OSS music software, as well as proprietary freeware apps. (the latter category has slowly declined but is still common for virtual instruments)
I won't say that you get the same level of convenience, because you don't, and if you're doing pro recording work where time is a concern you should get the best regardless of cost(but note that some pros are seriously looking at Ardour). Samples are indeed hard to get in a convenent package if you aren't paying for them, even considering projects such as Freesound. But if you mainly want to produce sequenced electronic music then you can easily build your "studio" from free sequencers and free virtual instruments that use VST or LADSPA technology. Perfectly good sounds can be had out of freebies. If you aren't getting the overall production quality desired you can still pay for a mixer or compressor and plug it in, but commercial music software as a rule is aiming for user convenience and "insta-quality" over total power. Convenience is indeed important for a musician - if one can't make an idea "live" immediately, it tends to be lost. But even with commercial software practice is needed to know how to achieve a desired sound and how to assemble pleasing passages.
Also, if you want to get into the esoteric area of music programming languages, that realm starts and ends with F/OSS, with a very few exceptions like Reaktor. - thedreampolice, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Well I run a recording studio, I mainly use Logic pro and Nuendo. I have done a few projects in ardour http://ardour.org/ and I really like it. Again it is very close to the big boys. I also agree with the GNU. So power to people!
- forumgirl, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2justinvt makes a great point, and it's worthy to point out the distinction:
There are LOTS of great free apps for Win/Mac. The Synthedit community (http://www.synthedit.com/) is doing unbelievable work cranking out VSTs that are approaching the quality of commercial apps like Reaktor.
There are not lots of great free apps for *nix. There are some promising candidates, most of which live in perpetual beta and have for years. If Rosegarden was competition for Finale/Sibelius, then publishing houses would use it. They don't. Not one. If Ardour was competition for Steinberg/Logic/Cakewalk/PT, then pro studios would use it. Almost none do.
Keep watching this. It's bound to get amazing. It is not, however, currently amazing. Will power and penguin bumper stickers can't change that. Time and better programming can. - carpetguy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Running this right now on my laptop and Ardour dont look like garbage by any means.
- franqdoc, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Come on guys! Cut them some slack! The CD has some useful stuff!...BTW maybe you should not show your ignorance and just click on the left corner where it says "English". OK AMIGO!
- forumgirl, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5"I have done a few projects in ardour http://ardour.org/ and I really like it. Again it is very close to the big boys."
What does "close to" mean in this context? You can record and play back multi-track audio at a variety of sample rates/bit depths? That's great, and it's a huge step in the right direction. But what about:
- plugin support? Yes, there's JACK, under which there are maybe a dozen plugs? Win/Mac has VST/VSTi. Win has DX/DXi. Mac has AU/RTAS. Between these formats, there are thousands of plugs.
Really, it's still not a rant. I love the idea of free soft running on a free system. But it doesn't exist yet.
Now, on to the others...
"How about anyone using a Korg OASYS? That runs Linux."
Um, it's a closed, proprietary system that costs about 8 grand. THAT'S your argument for the power of free software?
"Anyone using a MUSE Receptor? Same thing."
MUSE Receptor runs Windows apps in emulation. And it crashes. All. The. Time. Furthermore, it doesn't run many of them, and it doesn't run them very well.
"How about people using Ardour workstations?"
All dozen of them? Where are there records? I have yet to hear their output. And furthermore, so do you.
Look, I think it's great that people are getting all hot and bothered about this, because this sort of passion is exactly the kind of thing that's necessary to get the ball rolling. But the ball isn't rolling just because you say it is. And the playing field won't magically become level by you guys pretending that it's already level.
The Linux audio apps aren't mature yet. You liking them and getting mad at me for mocking them isn't going to change that. - thecwin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3While it's true that current Linux apps don't compare with pro apps, it's nice to see some effort. For those who just want to play around, nothing professional or important, the tools on Linux are enough, since those people are unlikely to spend thousands on professional software anyway.
Maybe given time the Linux apps will start to mature and develop... the frameworks are already pretty good and there are people who would like to use Linux for music work, and there are a few cool ideas in the applications I've used.
The Linux platform in general is starting to become stable and standard enough now that people are talking and cooperating, that these multimedia applications (for graphics, music) might start becoming more mature and usable.
On another note... KDE seems to have a lot more in the way of music/sound apps than GNOME/GTK+2. - aAnaRchY, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I downloaded it the morning, after i have saw your post. After the boot-up and some slight configuration (5 minuets) i had a fully factional post production studio. This distribution is excellent in all aspects. * * * * *
p.s. i have downloaded the 3.1 version of musix. - JesseJ, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1yeah, I make a living out of music too and I am really looking forward seeing linux rear up it's pretty head as a digital audio workstation. I'd be more than happy to be extra sure I'm on a super stable platform, specially when I performe live and utilize a laptop for something.
- linshots, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1screen shots: http://linshots.com/index.php?id=13
- Bluezdood, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I agree with Ilyag on this one. There are a few worthwhile programs out there for recording, none of which are free. Among them are ProTools, Audition (formerly CoolEdit), Sonar, and Vegas/Acid. Ilyag is right in the fact that the competition between them is fierce, and while ProTools may be the standard, many producers/engineers (like myself) have a preference for one or the other. There is no way I would ever record anything on a free program though because as he said, you get what you pay for. I'll stick with my expensive programs that actually have useful things like realtime effects, filters, and EQ's.
- thedreampolice, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Yes the latency in ardour with alsa is amazing. It seems that ardour forces you to really know what you are doing. I it has good compressors and eq's built in, but there is not a pretty UI. Thats means you actually *GASP* have to know what you are doing and what settings do what. the editing featutres are great. Again it cant replace logic pro yet, but some day and soon. And yes large commercial studios are using ardour here is one example http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/feb04/articles/mirrorimage.htm and again you are not a really engineer if you can only get "good" sounds out of a certain software. Some of the best recrordings ever where done on 4 track reel to reel machines, but they had top notch engineers its seems these days know one wants to really understand what they are doing. Just punch a few buttons and clean things up with antares. Learn your craft, you will find that software just disapears.
- Jazzed, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3"There are no serious musicians working on Linux today."
How about anyone using a Korg OASYS? That runs Linux. Anyone using a MUSE Receptor? Same thing. How about people using Ardour workstations? That statement is totally false. - powatom, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I think a lot of you are missing the point. This is nothing more than a multimedia suite. You know why people want the ability to record / edit / create music? Because it's fun. It's not intended as a replacement for a £4m recording studio, it's just for the little guy - the bedroom guitarist (me :D ) who wants to record something for himself and his friends at a reasonable quality without having to shell out for rehearsal space and, of course, the actual recording. You can slam and analyse this all you want, but I know that as soon as the horrible bandwith leeching digg causes has abided, I'll be downloading this distro. It's just another way of using a computer, it's not a career move.
- alt3r360, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0The Beatles did all of their recording on a 4 track analog, so what's the problem?
- marcospcmusica, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0By Marcos Guglielmetti (The project leader behind Musix)
Musix is about freedom, not about decadent marketing ideas.
Thanks to all of you for this interesting discuss!
Musix GNU+Linux is 0.31 because it's not full professional software yet... ok. I named it 0.31, not 1.0 !
But, why are some people talking of GNU+Linux if they did not tryied yet? (http://digg.com/users/nucleocide)
Listen to these songs recorded with Musix:
http://www.musix.org.ar/ogg/Juan-Martin-Bogado__Yira_Mundo__Musix_GNU-Linux.mp3
http://www.pc-musica.com.ar/ogg/Ansiedad-Marcos-Guglielmetti_Musix-GNU_Linux--m10-.mp3
The hardware used to record it it's not professional, but... how about the samples, the LADSPA plugins? Do you like it? The instrument part was made with Rosegarden + Hydrogen sampler for the drums, and Zynaddsubfx for the synths, Specimen sampler for the Piano sound, Qsynth for the soundfonts samples.
Ardour is almost like Pro Tools: I used it to mixdown all the tracks.
Jamin is an excelent mastering tool too, better than t-racks24:
http://jamin.sourceforge.net/en/masttips.html
There are some Professional recording studios working with Ardour, Rosegarden and Jamin:
http://www.multitrack.us/
http://www.musix.org.ar/wiki/index.php/Estudios_Grabacion
There are 200 or more LADSPA Plugins into Musix GNU+Linux, and they are really professional
We do not need VST plugins at all. there are better plugins here, así que déjense de decir pavadas y pónganse las pilas un cachito, locos.
(http://digg.com/users/v3xt0r):There is too much hardware supported by GNU+Linux : http://www.musix.org.ar/wiki/index.php/Compatible-Audio
Useful links:
http://lam.fugal.net/
http://www.djcj.org/LAU/ardour/ http://ardour.org/manual/
http://jamin.sourceforge.net/en/masttips.html
http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/ Tutorial: http://www.pc-musica.com.ar/musix/rosegarden-tutorial-es/chapter-1.html Manual: http://www.musix.org.ar/htdocs/man/rosegarden
http://www.hydrogen-music.org/
http://ccmixter.org/
http://www.remixreading.org/ - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"Music production is definitely one of strongpoints of GNU/Linux."
You are either insane or have never sampled the competition. - marcospcmusica, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Patience...
Do not try Musix v0.26: it's too old now. Try v0.31
Try:
http://musix.k-maleon.com/Musix_GNU-Linux-031.iso
http://musix.distrux.net/Musix_GNU-Linux-031.iso
Or 0.30:
http://musix.distrux.net/Musix_GNU+Linux_0.30-final.iso
But if you want...0.26
ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu+linux-distros/ututo-e/MusixGNU+Linux026.iso
One more thing: Musix must be installed into HD if you want to test JACK's apps running in realtime low-latency: as a live cd they will go much slower than from HD.
https://www.musix.org.ar/wiki/index.php/Documentation
https://www.musix.org.ar/wiki/index.php/Hardware_Installation - lysdexic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"We do not need VST plugins at all."
No, maybe you don't, but they are the dominant standard and you won't convert many of us who already use them if you don't support them. Why would I bother with your software if I have to change my entire working method?
This is why Linux will always be a 2nd class, geek's OS with under-developed software. (in addition to the reasons that Anchoret provided above) - marcospcmusica, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0By the way, for those "sabelotodo" guys that said "VST did no work into gnu linux", that's a lie: it's not free software, so we (into Musix) do not support it, but the user is free to install them:rnrnhttp://www.djcj.org/LAU/quicktoots/toots/vst-plugins/
- powatom, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0That's great man, but are there any other mirrors? I'm having to download this via bittorrent and it's horribly, horribly slow.
- wyrmwood, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0What I want to see are open source LOOPS!
Been playing piano since you were 5? great! grab some mics, record some hooks and beds and plop them on your site.
Good with mixing acoustic drums and samples? Great! Throw down some free drum loops!
And hey, why not some tutorials showing the loop-making process from start to finish! Mic techniques, fx processing, recording and seamless looping, etc etc...
I know, off-topic... I love the open source movement toward music production, but I started out on an Atari way back when and don't plan on going back ;) I love my waves plugins and steinberg toys... - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2@ilyag:
"So, really, what do you win by having these programs for free?"
Many, in addition to:
1. If a person using the program sees a problem in the code they may fix it or report it as a bug, they can also add a feature if they wish.
2. Free to upgrade without having to pay again which is often the case in the world of mafia-like closed source schemes.
3. Freedom to tinker
4. Freedom!
There's usually always the option to use WINE and/or Crossover anyway for the beastly closed source alternatives.
Mandatory read for any foaming-at-the mouth Win32-fanboy who wants to compare free vs. closed:
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/ - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3fohat, in a highly competitive world of music production software, you get exactly what you pay for. And if you pay nothing, that's what you'll get. The music production software industry is not monopolized by Microsoft, or any other large corporation. The competition is fierce, and it produces incredible products. Open source software can't compete with this, especially when, unlike with something like Firefox or GAIM, these things actually cost real money to make, not just programmers' time.
If all you want to do is play around with stuff because you're not much of a musician, then go ahead, knock yourself out. These programs are toys compared to the big boys, and no real composer would use them for real production work. - dudley9, on 05/25/2008, -0/+0http://www.genericsmed.com/
http://www.generics.ws/ - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1@bluezdood:
"There are a few worthwhile programs out there for recording, none of which are free"
That's funny, sourceforge.net and freshmeat.net turn up a bunch of free programs for *nix. - mikal, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Also worth checking out, is Studio to Go! from http://www.ferventsoftware.com/
- randallb, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I've actually been learning how to make music in GNU/Linux a lot this week, so it's interesting that this was dugg.
Music production is definitely one of strongpoints of GNU/Linux. ALSA and JACK and the huge amount of free music software makes GNU/Linux very powerful.
I'll have to give this a try. - thedreampolice, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0VST does work under linux as do most highend sound cards.
- nucleocide, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0wowza. that is the ugliest interface ever. good in theory, but I'm sure the tools suck in comparison to what is available on windoze. I love linux, but I think this is just whoring it.
- forumgirl, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"I bet these trigger my Akai S6000 harware saplers and other hardware trough midi just aswell as a mac or a pc. So enough talk about no sample libraries being available, because that is just stupid."
Your hardware sampler is incapable of running anything comparable to even a modestly sized software-based sample library. All softsample engines since Gigasampler have incorporated direct-from-disk streaming, which allows for samples to be pulled from the hard drive in nearly real-time.
Your Akai, on the other hand, can only trigger what it can load in RAM, which can be no larger than 256 MB. To put that in perspective, the EWQLSO Platinum library (based on the Kompakt softsampler) is approximately 70 GB of samples. Good luck working in today's world with your Akai...
"And if VSTs work (haven't checked yet) then all libraries are available on the softside too."
I'll save you the hassle - they don't. - JesseJ, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Also I might add that I bet these trigger my Akai S6000 harware saplers and other hardware trough midi just aswell as a mac or a pc. So enough talk about no sample libraries being available, because that is just stupid. And if VSTs work (haven't checked yet) then all libraries are available on the softside too.
- Sotired, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0It's been around , It will be around, It's maturing and it's exceptional.
If you haven't used it , why would you ever slam it ?
The work being done on open source is quite exceptional. Especially in the area of low latency work . There is nothing - zilch, zero, being done by mainstream OS's to eliminate latencies, both hardware and software. Protools is excellent, cubase is somewhat lame.
Ardour, Jamin, Rosegarden, all coupled with Jack is something to reckon with.
The live CD versions are not suitable for studio work since they all reside in memory + you need something to record your sound on - so you really need HD installs.
but the live CD's are a great way to sample what's out there without changing your system. I use both linux and windows on my home system - I won't advocate or slam either one, I have one mother of a machine strictly linux as a dedicated DAW.
Give them a look , it's not for everybody , but everybody can check it out.
http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/software/ ** exceptional **
http://www.agnula.org/
http://www.dynebolic.org/ - GutterBumber, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"Pirates are the reason Steinberg decided to resort to using USB copyright protection devices, causing headaches for both themselves and paying customers such as myself. Thanks a lot, thieves."
Cost of doing business. Go buy an OTARI tape deck if you don't want to deal with USB dongles. - PAddLePoP, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0What self respecting musician who is serious about there work would use something like that!
For me, I use Logic Pro 7. The sequencer it was running looked like it ugly, retarted cousin! - aAnaRchY, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0RE: salmonmoose
It took me 5 minuets to have it work perfectly because i run it from the live CD with the defaults settings just for testing. If it meets your needs, you can install it to your hard drive, and you will not have to spend that 5 minuets again to configure it ;) - Anchoret, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0> I'm with ilyag on this one.
Absolutely.
Linux is just at too much of a disadvantage here. While as a general-purpose desktop OS it's always a day late and a dollar short anyway, this really becomes obvious with something like serious digital studio stuff. I have a pretty advanced dedicated digital music studio, and these Linux things are just not remotely useful. Linux doesn't even support the prevailing outboard gear. "Musix" is a joke.
It takes MONEY to develop real, serious, sophisticated software and operating systems that actually _work_ in a broad variety of hardware/peripheral environments -- and unfortunately Linux simply doesn't have those resources. Never has, never will: I've read estimates that there is at least a 10,000/1 ratio in funding between MS and Linux for development of the OSs, native applications, drivers and third-party software, and I think that's conservative. How can Linux buck those kinds of odds? With purity of heart and an undying superhatred for Bill Gates? Forget it.
Linux will _never_ be competitive. Even if someone at Google went crazy and pledged a billion dollars for Linux to catch up, it would be way too little, way too late.
Nobody is sadder about that state of affairs than I am, but it's the plain truth. The Linux cultists can't face those facts, but as a sane man I can. I wish things were different, but they're not. - Bluezdood, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@lotusleaf
The keyword is "worthwhile". Can you say it with me? "Worth-while" Very good! You get a gold star! - v3xt0r, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0One day, Linux COULD be used as a great Open Source OS for Audio Engineers and Electronic Musicians.
Unfortunatly, that day has still yet to arrive.
What SERIOUSLY needs to be done in order to drive this initiative, is to get some major Audio Software/Hardware Development Companies involved. (ie: Steinberg, DigiDesign, Yamaha, Tascam, Ableton, etc.)
There are no drivers available for the Audio/Midi devices that I use, so even if this software worked good, I would have to develop my own drivers (which I am un-capable of), or forget about it. - marcospcmusica, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Hi,
After a short delay Musix GNU+Linux 0.31 is now available from:
http://www.musix.org.ar/en/download.html
Musix GNU+Linux 0.31 news
* Soundcard installation system upgraded
* New backup system
* MMA Musical MIDI Accompaniment
* Band in a box Converter
* gmma (simple graphic interface for MMA)
* Qsampler (gigasampler host)
* Ceres3 (audio editor)
* New drum Kit for Hydrogen: Ac Drums + Bass
* Spanish Lilypond tutorial by David Asorey Álvarez
* Spanish and portuguese MMA tutorial by Gilberto André Borges
* Realtime module now loads fine at boot time (Musix0.30 bug)
* Help! desktop
* Bugs fixed and more.
..
--
Marcos Guglielmetti
Coordinador del desarrollo de Musix GNU+Linux
(www.musix.org.ar)
Mirrors: (www.musix.distrux.net) (www.pc-musica.com.ar/musix)
(www.k-maleon.com/musix) - marcospcmusica, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0http://www.pc-musica.com.ar/musix/rnftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu+linux-distros/ututo-e/rnrn""We do not need VST plugins at all.""rnrn"No, maybe you don't, but they are the dominant standard and you won't convert many of us who already use them if you don't support them. Why would I bother with your software if I have to change my entire working method?"rnrnHello, how are you? A little vexatious guess.rnrnGNU+Linux is about freedom, so we support programs that supports users freedoms for ethical reasons.rnrnGiving free software to the mass we are sharing power, or eliminating power as oppression.rnrn * The freedom to run the program, for any purpose (freedom 0).rn * The freedom to study how the program works, and adapt it to your needs (freedom 1). Access to the source code is a precondition for this.rn * The freedom to redistribute copies so you can help your neighbor (freedom 2).rn * The freedom to improve the program, and release your improvements to the public, so that the whole community benefits (freedom 3). Access to the source code is a precondition for this.rnrnrn"This is why Linux will always be a 2nd class, geek's OS with under-developed software. (in addition to the reasons that Anchoret provided above)"rnrnYou are almost an idiot: Internet is powered by GNU+Linux servers: it's the best software ever made, so you can use Internet because of GNU+Linux, and in some years this point forward, you will use Audio apps because of GNU+Linux too.
- skein, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I felt like mentioning something... I've been a protools, cubase/nuendo, logic, and sonar user for quite a few years now. Ardour... this thing has incredible potential. I thought that cubase was a logical environment, which is why it is my favorite... but ardour.. damn. I'm utterly impressed with the environment and hope that it finally reaches the point that I can do my sequencing and recording in it. As far as other free synthesizers and modules... if you don't know how to program a synth.. go to school. These free synths are very very good, even if free... You just need to know what you are doing. Sure, not many presets out there, but.. well, that gets boring anyway.
I've been experimenting with demudi as of late and enjoy it very much... sure it's not as strong and powerful as the gear I get to work with when going into the studio, but I believe in less than three years some people might be sticking their feet in the mouth. - crimms, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"There are no serious musicians working on Linux today. The apps are simply not there. NB: this is NOT AN ANTI-GNU RANT. This is the reality of the situation. Of course someone could right a great audio app for Linux. And when they do, lots of people will use it. As of today, however, this app has not been written and is therefore not being used."
I'm not sure where you spend your days or what kind of "serious musicians" you pass the time with, but the apps are there. And LOTS OF COMMERICAL GRADE STUDIOS USE LINUX BOXES. And I'm not talking your snotty bootique studio. We're talking L.A., New York, Nashville, Cat Man Doo, anywhere there is audio post and video post. Fact of the matter is, is that Mac OS is a UNIX based design. As is Windows. What you see when you see any Linux Distro is the bare bones technology of what you use day to day. I can't believe that no one knows this. I have literally grown up Beta testing Cakewalk products and I agree that it a very competitive field and advances in technology are amazing in the Windows area with audio/midi programming. Mac as well. But one thing that drives me insane? No CROSS PLATFORM PLUG IN FORMAT. Vst to Dxi and back again. And to say that Sonar is stable is beyond uncontrollable laughter. And Pro Tools is what every unimaginative smoe uses because he's been told all his life "it's the industry standard." Why do I say this? Because it's the number one response I get when I asked people "Have you tried any of Cakewalk's products?" These are, obviously my opinions. But the fact remains that just like musicians, audio engineers and hobbyist alike do not like having to deal with 5 programs to use one flippin' sound file. And nothing burns me more than Microsoft running 5,000 services in the background while I attempt to rerecord the greatest lick of all time without a dropout. And don't cry system resources to me. There is nothing consumer about my rig YET STILL I get drop outs. Proggies crash, stop working, or just cease to be made all together. How many patches can one program have?
Linux has a great thing going, and most new technology on the market is often stolen from some insightful chap's
new distro on the streets. I am not PC nor Mac sided. I simply wish people to consider looking into other options and refrain from kicking a system when its down when it's doing a pretty damn good considering it dosen't have world monopoly or lock people into repeptiive costly upgrades.
Musix is quite competitive to most serious software out there. And Reason? Are you serious? Cool Edit Pro? And I'm willing to bet most people complaining about Linux on this forum and raving about the abosolutely purity of MS and Mac programs probably didn't pay for half of them.
Free Your Mind People.
" - hordak, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0The screenshots didn't show me much, but I wouldn't diss the effort here. The seeds have been planted for what could become a very good "virtual studio."
- Smurf43, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"The music production software industry is not monopolized by Microsoft,"
If it will only run on M$, it is monopolized.
Can anyone can tell me if a song is recorded on Pro Tool$ or Audacity just by listing to an mp3, which is the way music is spread today? No, and if you claim you can I want some of the happy stuff you have! (plus OGG sound better anyway)
Everyone has different needs. I have heard some fantastic tunes done on Linux systems. Do a search and listen with an open mind. If you like brand name, go for it, the true Big Boys use SAW.
Linux is about choice, and I dig it. The music apps that I use, and I have all the Linux ones mentioned plus the distros, work fine for what I do, which is live recording with mics. Linux is coming along fine, and doing it without all the under handed tactics M$ does.
People take the time to write the 1000's of lines of code for us to enjoy, and I take the time to use it. And if I like it I send money, or at least a email. And I would rather support an up and coming music app on Linux than join the endless cycle of pay for updates, and then being the guinea pig for their bugs.
Fervent Studio To Go is the best out their so far IMHO, but you can put one together yourself for nothing. GO LINUX! -
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