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- Bicep, on 11/30/2008, -6/+55Humans, Technology, no restrictions, no BS, only looking forward to the future. Enter the philosophy of GNU/Linux.
- ahawks, on 12/01/2008, -12/+48Why would I mess up my iphone with Linux? I love Linux, I use Linux, but I bought an iPhone because it's an iPhone. It does its job just fine as it is.
- Jambi, on 11/30/2008, -1/+28Violates copyright laws how?
- theOster, on 11/30/2008, -2/+25its really just a matter of time before this stuff happens with all proprietary goods. some clever person will always find a way to break it open. the new business model will be to embrace openness and generate revenue through some other means.
- haikuFU, on 12/01/2008, -2/+23Imagine a beowulf cluster of these.
Man, that totally brought you guys back, didn't it? - ATL, on 06/20/2009, -3/+19I doubt the iPhone apps would work on linux
- Jambi, on 12/01/2008, -0/+15Would you mind not being snarky and actually explaining how Linux on the iPhone violates the DMCA?
- ashkan101, on 11/30/2008, -0/+15Dude, phones use OS's.
- LordMalak, on 12/01/2008, -0/+14Most people still won't switch even if iPhone apps could be ported, same as most people didn't/don't jailbreak/unlock their iPhones.
- riggs32, on 11/30/2008, -0/+14phones are becoming more and more like mobile computers every year.
- drmsux, on 12/01/2008, -2/+12except that WM video was a fake..
- Flytrap, on 12/01/2008, -10/+20Ahem...
and the non-techies among the human race would get excited about this technological development because...
1. The iPhone's native OS is not user friendly enough and needs the Android OS to make it more palatable
2. The 10,000 applications on the AppStore are not enough and it would be nice to get access to the 148 Android Market applications
3. Apple keeps updating and improving the iPhone features every few weeks and this is not frequently enough
4. Tight integration with the worlds largest music store; along with a universe that includes iTunes, Apple TV, etc. is just too much
5. Seamless synchronisation with personal and corporate email (for fun and work) makes the iPhone too personal a device
6. Being one of the best pocket-sized multi-media and internet devices on the market is not good enough
7. :
8. : - IphtashuFitz, on 12/01/2008, -1/+9Please explain exactly what copyright laws this would break.
- MavRevMatt, on 12/01/2008, -2/+10Except Windows Mobile sucks...
- haikuFU, on 12/01/2008, -1/+9Yes, please enlighten us with your infinite copyright law wisdom.
- mrsteveman1, on 12/01/2008, -0/+7If apple claims that their code signing system, from the bootloader all the way to individual apps, is part of an anti-piracy system, then anything you do to the thing to get code Apple hasn't signed running including linux, would constitute breaking a protection mechanism. They would have some evidence too, there are people running cracked apps on jailbroken phones.
If you don't think Apple is that ***** insane, see the recent story about the hash. - plarp, on 12/01/2008, -2/+9Under the DMCA even this article is a copyright violation. thats how..
- Fixthemedia, on 12/01/2008, -0/+7I have the g1 and would rather have the apple os on the iphone, and android on the g1. They both fit perfect for their device.
- Radan, on 12/01/2008, -3/+10Jailbreaking I can understand, but why would anyone want to run an alternative OS on the iPhone? The device itself isn't really anything spectacular. It's the close integration of the software and the hardware that makes the iPhone good. Doing this, you are just wasting a lot of money on a rather expensive device just to throw about everything that defines it as an iPhone away and replace it with something that other, often cheaper, devices already do without having to worry about compatibility problems and similar.
Just buy an Android based phone instead if you want open source. This is just completely pointless other than a proof of concept "look what I can do" project. - loconet, on 12/01/2008, -6/+13Think ahead. Why Linux on the iPhone is good?
Because copy & paste would become possible, flash support might become a reality, VoIP may be more widespread, launching applications in the background would no longer be restricted, etc, etc.
You would essentially be able to use _your_ device the way _you_ want to, not restricted by the vendor's interests. What a concept huh. - kjones555, on 12/01/2008, -0/+6a G.I.phone?
- superatrativo, on 12/01/2008, -0/+6I trust in Stallman!
- SanjayM, on 12/01/2008, -0/+6iPhone apps on linux. No. Not going to happen i am afraid. You're talking about doing something on the scale of the Wine project, but using a *completely* locked down OS/API set that you are trying to reverse engineer. Wine has serious corporate backing (Google et al), this will never have that, will never have the user or coder base to provide the motivation either.
But if i could run a fully featured (Hardware support) android i would take it over the original OS anyday. Android is going to have its own library of apps, and i really think with google's FOSS approach that they will have, in time, a much better app set than the iphone does now. - RobotBuddha, on 12/01/2008, -0/+53) Are you serious? Safari was a piece of ***** until a few weeks ago. They've been consistant in only improving things most of us don't care about while ignoring the larger bugs.
5) Glad to see someone's happy with the iphone's email support. There's a pretty large amount of us out here who think it's pretty lacking.
6) Multimedia internet device? Apple won't even let flash onto it, pretty much the default video playback system for video on the web.
I 'like' the iphone, I own one, but it amazes me sometimes how people can just overlook its flaws like this. - Coottie, on 12/01/2008, -1/+6I'm much more interested in seeing an xCode port to Linux or even Windows.
In case you don't know, right now, you can only develop apps for the iPhone using a Mac. This port would add so much more functionality to the iPhone. - IphtashuFitz, on 12/01/2008, -2/+7It all depends. As Android matures, and as linux on mobile phones matures, the number of Android/linux apps will continue to grow. Developers who don't like being tied to Apple and the iTunes store will take a hard look at these alternate platforms, especially those developers whose apps are rejected by Apple. Eventually the app base will likely become less and less of an issue as the number of apps for each platform reaches a critical mass. Of course if it gets to that point then the only reason to run linux would be if you're a die-hard linux user and/or there were apps available only on linux that weren't available on the native iPhone.
- lemur, on 12/01/2008, -0/+5Although you might be sarcastic, I don't think there is much doubt that he's the most trustworthy personality in the Software world. This is a guy who walked away from amazing jobs just to uphold his moral principles.
- ATL, on 06/20/2009, -1/+5it's not r0b1's fault he can't get anything better than the old skool miami vice phone:
http://www.oaktreeent.com/web_photos/Telephones/Mo ... - jamesmcm, on 12/01/2008, -1/+5The 'restrictions' are about protecting the freedom - restricting others from taking that freedom away. So they're not really restrictions for the end user.
- Chris_F, on 12/01/2008, -0/+4ah, for the same price as just one iphone you could get a high end nvidia graphics card and use CUDA instead.
- MrBogard, on 12/01/2008, -1/+5I wish someone would complete Android for my Titan. There's a cool loader that will eject WM6.1 from memory and load up Google's OS, but the handsets hardware isn't properly supported. My keyboard won't work, etc. It has potential, if they ever take it to the next level.
- ileftfark, on 12/01/2008, -3/+7This video shows a dual boot with quick switching between the OSes, which is perfectly feasible. I'm sure virtualization or API compatibility layers aren't far off, either.
- samsoffes, on 12/01/2008, -1/+5one word: why-the-hell-would-you-do-that
- leamanc, on 12/01/2008, -3/+7"Sure, most people would not care about this..."
Never have truer words been spoken. 99% of people buy an iPhone to run it as-is. Only the remaining few care about jailbreaking it, or running an alternate OS on it. - insidius, on 12/01/2008, -4/+8This is what I continually fail to understand when people like you bring up such statements. Why would you buy a phone in the first place if you knew that it did not have the features that you speak of and then continually complain about them?
I bought the phone knowing what I could and could not do which means I am "Using my device the way I want to" because I wanted the features that I knew came with the phone before making my purchasing decision.
I did not look at the iphone and go oh yay it cant tether without some sort of hack so I am going to run out and buy it and then spend all my time whining that I cant do what I knew it could not do in the first place! BOOHOOO. I did not look at the iPhone buy it and then just hope and pray that it may do what I wanted it to do, I did my research from the start and got exactly what I wanted.
I also love the fact that you people seem to continually be up in arms about Apple "Locking it down" and "restricting your freedom with YOUR hardware".
If you are going to attack the iPhone then you should also be attacking microsoft and sony because I mean hey, they wont allow you to install modchips and whatnot and its your hardware and you should be able to do what you want with it right? Damn those evil companies locking their products down and telling you what you can and can not do with it, its shameful and evil and they are the deviloneone!!
I am quite happy to have a go at the iPhone for the things about the device which are actually worth noting however please stop bring up the same old tired arguments that have no validity and are only used because you have precious little else to level against it.
I would say more but this is taking forever to type up and im sorta busy. - ch40sBr1ng3r, on 12/01/2008, -1/+59: ????
10: Profit.
Ok jokes aside, here is my rebuttal to your comment kind sir. The Android only has about 150 applications for it because it just came out. Now thing about this, the whole open-source community will be able to give to the Android platform. Also, open-source updates their apps more frequently than anything corporate, if you need me to explain how or why i have already won this argument. You can have tight integration with iTunes ( even tho i personally hate it ) or hell even if you wanted to, MS market place.
The rest of your comment is ridiculous. I mean, do you seriously believe that because something is open-source or "Linux like" it wont have synchronization with email, or anything else for that matter? The iPhone is a good piece of hardware, let the people choose what they want to do with it. - stuffradio, on 12/01/2008, -0/+4Yeah, but you could have a cluster party with all your iPhone owner friends!
- gquaglia, on 12/01/2008, -3/+7"Because copy & paste would become possible, flash support might become a reality"?? Has Apple stated that these 2 features would NEVER be implemented? Android isn't anywhere near as polished as the iphone. I don't want it running on my iphone.
- inactive, on 12/01/2008, -3/+6Hey guys, look at me – I am a dumbass who can loosely apply terms I just learned five minutes ago! I'm going to requisition me some subversion Linux sourceburgers!
- mrBitch, on 12/01/2008, -0/+3Agree. Also @mlerner RE: " First windows mobile (due in January), now linux? This is awesome. "
You can't really (accurately) use "Windows Mobile" and "Awesome" in the same sentence... - ch40sBr1ng3r, on 12/01/2008, -0/+3Amusing. I laughed. Hard.
- Wang, on 12/01/2008, -5/+8I don't get it - why would anyone want to ruin their iPhone by putting Android on it? The beauty of the iPhone is not just the looks...it's the OS which it comes with!
- ashkan101, on 11/30/2008, -2/+5This would be very cool, but if this is ever implemented they'd better make damn sure that iPhone apps can still be used on the new OS. Otherwise, most people who buy the phone won't even think about switching, much less actually go through the hassle of switching.
- Noit, on 12/01/2008, -0/+3And after Android runs on the iPhone, someone will mash it up to look like it's still running the iPhone software. Only then will the circle be complete.
- r0b1, on 12/01/2008, -1/+4The comment was more a dig at Bicep's attempt at profundity - I'm well aware that phones have pretty much fully-functional operating systems.
AboveTheLogic's link does show a pretty sweet phone though - mrBitch, on 12/01/2008, -0/+3@ t0ny RE: " I love my ipod touch but I would love to ... For example ... being able to run kismet on it. "
kismet under OSX is " kismac "... and the iphone devs that are currently working on kismac for iphone are here :
http://code.google.com/p/iphone-wireless/ - RobotBuddha, on 12/01/2008, -0/+2It's a different operating system, they won't be usable. As for people not switching, before the 2.2 update I would have in a second. The combination of apple's ignoring obvious bugs and generally increasing level of asshattery with the appstore was really getting to me. The safari fixes in 2.2 calmed me down, but I can see why someone would be getting tired of apple if they'd been along for as much of the iphone ride.
- azurepalm, on 12/01/2008, -0/+299%? Where did you get this number from?
Last statistic I read was that at least a quarter of all iPhone sales never got activated by AT&T - ie. sold to other other countries, jailbroken, etc. That means only about 75% (or less) of people are pleased on just running it as-is. - firsttube, on 12/01/2008, -0/+2hear hear, and also boot iPhone OS on Android pho.... oh, wait. Damn.
iPhone it is! - GOVATENT, on 12/01/2008, -1/+3I don't want to see android ported on the iphone. I own a G1. Because I upgraded from a standard smartphone. (not pda) My brother had the iphone and I think its a nice system. I went with the G1 because of Android and the Keyboard. But I was sick of all the iphone users rubbing it in my face that their device is better. I don't care, its a phone. Now you all want to jump the boat and use android. I use linux only on all my machines (not dual boot crap) and I support by donating to the open source projects I love and use. I would like to see a linux UI added the iphone but not Android. Something like gnome or kde. My old iPaq H5550 runs Familiar Linux with opie. Something like that should be released for the Iphone.
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