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- earthforce1, on 07/26/2008, -1/+37Linux would really rock if you could bypass the hypervisor and get direct access to the graphics engine.
- niko7865, on 07/27/2008, -0/+20***** it up by going to system settings and telling it to reformat with a partition set aside for "other OS" and then installing the distro endorsed by sony?
- inactive, on 07/27/2008, -0/+20...you can't... do you even own a PS3?
- deroderugridder, on 07/27/2008, -0/+8Interesting article, explains a lot about the hardware and how Sony uses a virtual machine as a hardware abstraction layer.
Even thou I own one myself a lot of this information was new to me.
Thanks. - inactive, on 07/27/2008, -0/+7"Of course Sony and Adobe could just stop this crap with flash and "allow" it to work properly in the default browser.."
Flash is completely Adobe's fault, they won't license new versions out except to big ones like Windows - inactive, on 07/27/2008, -2/+9Hm, getting dugg down makes me wonder if anyone has actually tried to USE Linux on a PS3...
- josepablos, on 07/27/2008, -3/+9Dear Santa.. For this xmas i want...
- Narishma, on 07/27/2008, -1/+7Then Sony wouldn't have any reason to sell expensive SDKs to big game developers.
- OpaqueMurdock, on 07/27/2008, -1/+7I am thinking of trying it just to get a decent browser so I can watch hulu on my TV without hooking up my laptop. I would really love to cancel cable service. : ) (Hulu, Netflix and a few direct sites like Adult Swim I think should just about cover it.)
Of course Sony and Adobe could just stop this crap with flash and "allow" it to work properly in the default browser... but I have no illusions about that. I am sure its a marketing decision regardless of what they tell us the technical reasons may be.
It kinda sounds like it may suck though. Slow choppy video would make it mad that I wasted the effort to set it up. : p - zadadka, on 07/27/2008, -1/+7Scroll down when commenting, otherwise it will keep trying to re-size if you have it at the bottom of the page..
- Darkaged, on 07/27/2008, -0/+5Thanks guys.
- Foamator, on 07/27/2008, -0/+5I think there's a backup utility as well, which can back up a load of stuff for you. I think the more important things (users, stuff like that) is stored elsewhere on the PS3 so you can reformat without getting rid of that. Not entirely sure, but I think I read that somewhere.
- inactive, on 07/27/2008, -12/+17Linux on the PS3 is the most ***** frustrating thing ever.
It seriously runs as if you installed it on an old Pentium 2 machine. I had originally wanted to use my PS3 as a MythTV front end, or some type of media playback front, but it can hardly handle it.
Sony are a bunch of stingy bastards in restricting access to the system. And this was last year.. so I took a break from it, came back to it, and STILL no decent updates.
...and seriously, wtf is up with this comment box expanding and shrinking? - PrometheusZero, on 07/27/2008, -2/+7I've chucked Ubuntu 7.10 onto my PS3, works pretty okay. Of course, could be better, but still, the comfort of browsing the web on my HDTV on my couch is nice.
- sewerraccoon, on 07/27/2008, -0/+5I really don't think linux on ps3 is meant to be used as a desktop. I think they threw it in there as a chance to learn programming on the cell processor. Just a thought
- Darkaged, on 07/27/2008, -1/+6I've always thought about installing Linux on my PS3, but always put it off because of the reformatting issue.
Question: Reformatting deletes everything, right?
And people, Don't just Digg me down because i'm asking a question. - smilgy, on 07/27/2008, -2/+6You don't need linux for that.
- Darkaged, on 07/27/2008, -1/+5Like a large USB drive?
Thanks. - arcticblue, on 07/27/2008, -1/+5I dugg you up. I've used it and it is really that slow. Yellow Dog seems to run the best for me (it's still not "fast" by any means though), but Ubuntu is absolutely terrible on it. Linux on the PS3 is alright for some stuff, but if you're looking to use it as a cheap computer, you're money will be better spent on something else.
- jmichaelg, on 07/27/2008, -0/+3Yellow Dog connects ok using wireless. It's not a complete implementation as it doesn't support WPA. But if you can live with WEP or MAC-specific login, it's fine. Still slow as piss though.
- jmichaelg, on 07/27/2008, -1/+4The 4500 rpm disk drive probably has a lot to do with it. Linux accesses the disk a lot and the standard PS3 drive isn't up to the task.
- PrometheusZero, on 07/27/2008, -1/+4@smilgy
Oh, yeah, you're right. But then I can swap to running SNES roms and play for a bit.
@durand101
Heh, well I can't say because I've never used it in SD. But it looks crisp enough to read from a couple of metres away. - 2004MN4, on 07/27/2008, -0/+2you cant harm your ps3 with linux it says so in the dugg article and it also is shown in this dugg video.
http://digg.com/playstation/Playstation_3_and_Yell ... - slezzzter, on 07/27/2008, -0/+2I am currently working in a parallel computing research lab and one of our initiatives is to determine the true usability of the PS3 as a simulation host. The very first test I devised was to simply time the front-end (the PPC part of the cell). I wrote a basic C program that randomly generated two arrays and multiplied them. No output was created.
At worst, the PS3 PPC was 160 times slower than a 3.0GHz Xeon. (10,000 element arrays)
At best it was 12 times slower ( < 1000 element arrays)
Although using the rest of the cell has shown promise for our simulations, it is clear that the PPC is weak on even basic tasks. Having run Fedora 7 PPC_64 on these machines, I can qualitatively say that it is painfully slow. The data seem to collaborate this view, since the standard PPC_64 versions of Linux will use only the PPC core. - inactive, on 07/27/2008, -1/+2I dugg him down cause I use Linux on my PS3 and it's not frustrating at all.
I also buried him for calling Sony a bunch of stingy bastards, they did make the system for a profit and if they allowed us GPU access we could play PC games they don't make money off of, and devs could port PC games to it without paying royalties.
And we don't need it anyway, the SPUs can handle it anyway. Get PS3-specific linux programs and you won't have issues. People are using these things as Super computers - OpaqueMurdock, on 07/27/2008, -0/+1I have heard that and I can tell you that it all reeks of people negotiating how we will receive content in the future... and how they will control it.
Its happened many times before with "open" systems of content delivery, we are witnessing the shutting of the door.
Heh, I almost sound like a different person if you read this comment and then the response to BurgerPunch... but thats just me, I have many facets. I want open delivery and don't want corporate abuse of technology but I also feel creatives and even the companies supporting the creatives still deserve a chance to find a new model for entertainment that treats the consumer fairly.
I don't really trust them to pull it off but I remain hopeful for the sake of artists and entertainers, especially smaller ones who could really benefit from a scaleable system. - Erowid, on 07/28/2008, -0/+1Still... no 5.1 sound support, once you get to 720p or higher resolution video playback is choppy, and you can get wireless to work, but it's a huge pain... Not worth it just yet, for me, anyway :'(
- arcticblue, on 07/27/2008, -0/+1No, the SPUs cannot handle the tasks that the GPU is designed to do. The SPUs can crunch number very fast, but it just simply isn't fast enough to be a GPU replacement. There is an X driver that allows the use of the GPUs to help with graphics processing, but again, the performance is NOWHERE near that of the GPU.
I'm unaware of the PS3-specific linux programs you speak of. Do they somehow perform some magic to get around the measly 256MB of RAM? I'm also unaware of any somewhat modern PC game that will run on Linux on the PS3. I could see Doom running and maybe a few 2d opensource games, but that's it. Sony doesn't make money off the PC version of Halo so by your logic, I should be able to play that on my PS3. Wrong. - iNNeRKaoS, on 07/27/2008, -0/+1Use Fedora 7, because I don't have Fedora 8... :D
- efaustus9, on 07/27/2008, -1/+2While it will not replace your PC it has a bevy of benefits and is not with out it charm.
For example check out the 8 videos in this play list;
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=4E6541D68D ... - sewerraccoon, on 08/06/2008, -0/+0Yeah that too.
- durand101, on 07/27/2008, -1/+1I can't stand using the PS3's browser in SD, it's just plain ugly! Does it look nicer in HD?
- BatmanStan, on 12/12/2008, -0/+0amazing port
http://godzillafiguresblog.com - OpaqueMurdock, on 07/27/2008, -1/+1I understand what your saying, but I would still need a dedicated media player in my entertainment area now wouldn't I? So your comment is a bit out of place.
Besides that, as corny as it may seem to you, I like participating in the creative process as a consumer of media. I guess this comes from the fact that I am a creative myself. (Graphic Designer/Photographic Illustrator/Musician/Short film Writer Director/Photographer. Hell, I even make my living off of some of that! : ) I don't mind the hulu model at all, the ads are very short and tasteful and the variaty of content is getting pretty nice. I particularly enjoy the fact that they have a lot of "classic" content like Night Gallery.
Refusing them at this point is just being obstinate and a bit rude... not really rebellious anymore. - illustrick, on 07/27/2008, -3/+2but...will it run crysis?
- NikkiA, on 07/27/2008, -2/+1No, they threw it in there to try and circumvent European import duties - 'computers' have lower import duty rates than 'games consoles'. By doing this, they thought they could claim the PS3 was a 'computer' and use the lower duty rate - IIRC it failed.
They tried categorising the PS2 as a computer for the same reason, but without any 'computer like' software, they couldn't get the courts to buy it. - zadadka, on 07/27/2008, -6/+4A manufacturer limiting it's equipment to proprietary use?
Gosh, who'd have thought it.... - markus7353, on 07/27/2008, -4/+2i did this last christmas, and Fedora works fine, it just won't connect to the internet, which is too bad
- DavidGX, on 07/27/2008, -13/+10A PC with 256mb of system ram.. yeah.. that's what I want.
- aterimperator, on 07/27/2008, -4/+0Dear xmas.. For Santa I want...
- BurgerPunch, on 07/27/2008, -5/+1just torrent it, ***** hulu
- Vadi0, on 07/27/2008, -7/+2Doesn't seem worth the trouble of going through that for me.
Then again, I can barely code! - DraconPern, on 07/27/2008, -11/+1124 and on the front page!? wtf. If you need to tweak your dev environment, it's still a toy.
- dudeguy1234, on 07/26/2008, -31/+4I would do it, but I wonder how many people are going to risking ***** up a machine that's $400-600?
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