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- boardthis, on 10/10/2008, -4/+60linux told me she was 18...
***** - paulsmith288, on 10/10/2008, -5/+35Typical Digg user:
Oh look a linux article: I've only used it once 3 years ago with some obscure piece of hardware - better tell everyone how crap it is. - mysticalone, on 10/10/2008, -10/+31Gates isn't famous for programming, he's famous for CTRL ALT DEL
- leamanc, on 10/10/2008, -1/+20Something like that...he's more famous for his ruthless business savvy than he is for programming. What was the last thing he programmed? It almost certainly was in the 1970s.
- HisVaderness, on 10/10/2008, -2/+19If linux wants to hit the mainstream, somebody is gonna have to come in and do a total marketing overhaul. Not sure what the revenue model would be but if you want people to use something, you gotta market it. It may be the backbone of servers everywhere but the general public don't even know it exists. Its all about marketing. Read this.
http://lifeisoverpriced.com/2008/05/ibranding-appl ... - DotNetWill, on 10/10/2008, -11/+28"the young man who would one day become the world's most famous programmer " - WTF!? Yeah OK Linus is more famous than Gates, i highly doubt it
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………………………………………………………’’~-‘’_ , , ,,’,_/--‘ - obsaysditto, on 10/10/2008, -1/+16then why do people still live by it? O and majority of web servers run on it?
- TheSilentNumber, on 10/10/2008, -12/+26I'm going to get dugg down for this, but i actually prefer calling it "GNU" as it seems more important than the Linux kernel. The more i read, the more i agree with these "GNUheads". I dream of GNU/Hurd making it big... Crap, i i'm one of them.
- eloquentpeasant, on 10/10/2008, -1/+15What about GNU/Linux?
- baldgye, on 10/10/2008, -7/+19hahahahahaha
- inactive, on 10/10/2008, -0/+12I have been dreaming of GNU/Hurd making it big since 1990. Forget it. Even though the Linux team is a little muzzy philosophically, they seem to make the right moves in the end. There is no doubt that they have their ***** together in OS development like no one else has ever had. It is pretty amazing to take a vanilla kernel a few days after release and have my Gentoo system working perfectly with it. I think the GNU part of GNU+Linux is important. The compiler, C library, all of the utilities and of course Emacs (whast good is any system without it) are all GNU.
- BoneheadFarker, on 10/10/2008, -0/+11It took about the same length of time for Microsoft to move out of the command line and into a usable and stable GUI operating system. If any one remembers those days, DOS took at least 3 versions before it gained stability, and it wasn't until version 6 that it was really good. Windows sucked until version 3.11, went through a terrible transition to 32bit that was surprisingly popular anyways, and didn't really become good until they switch to the NT code. The same pattern has occured in most operating systems. Linux is coming along just fine...
- jhchrist, on 10/10/2008, -0/+11"Linux" is not made to be user friendly because it is a kernel.
Some distros *are* made to be user friendly, though, and they *do* compare favourably IMHO. - Hush, on 10/10/2008, -0/+10"It's not crap, it's just NOT INTERESTING. I don't know why there are so many articles about Linux when it's just some operating system or kernel or whatever."
This is a tech site, and you are suprised that people find linux interesting? - sindex, on 10/10/2008, -4/+14Windows promised to be an open-source, barely used, under-supported, niche-market, free OS with murderous programmers? Weird, I don't remember that.
Oh grow up, Linux people and laugh a little. - inactive, on 10/10/2008, -0/+10While I understand your personal "geek" crusade I have to say that referring to GNU/Linux as just Linux already won. The name Linux is attractive and actually stick in people's mind. Companies and non-Linux users all over the world refer to it as just Linux. It's not like it matters that much to many people (just Stallman and a few purist).
Also, you can't refer to the OS as just GNU (without the kernel GNU is of no use) so if you're going to include GNU in the name you have to put it this way GNU/Linux. Also, I don't think GNU/Hurd will make it big.. EVER, but it wouldn't be a bad thing. - TheWindBlows, on 10/10/2008, -3/+11GNU/Hurd while it does provide a system that never needs to be rebooted it also causes multiple calls, because its essentially linux divided into multiple kernels. The overhead causes the design to be slower.
- snek, on 10/10/2008, -0/+7That is exactly what Ubuntu is doing right now.. Keep up with the news, Mark Shuttleworth is investing mass amounts of cash to improve on the general use of Linux.
- kanabiis, on 10/10/2008, -3/+10Awww how cute, people posting how much linux is a failure on a site running on a Linux box.....
http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph/?host=www.digg ... - fani, on 10/10/2008, -2/+9Why do we still give a ***** about these OS discussions. Its 2008 for heavens' sake.
Who cares who's running what.
Just get your work done.
Like I read somewhere "More people die from worry about work because more people worry than work"
So, don't worry what you're using to get the job done. Just use the tools that help you out the fastest then.
Linux is super at many things as is Windows and Mac OS X and Solaris. Don't spend hours trying to get your OS to come to the point where you can *then* begin your work. Just use the already built/tested/working tool to get your job done first and then experiment with other OSes if you have the time/luxury.
I use Windows for gaming, MacOS X for audio/video stuff, linux/solaris at work on servers + at home for knowledge etc. - inactive, on 10/10/2008, -0/+63-5 minutes for XP on those specs? I'd suggest your install is hosed.
- Phocion55, on 10/10/2008, -2/+8http://digg.com/users/frogle/history/comments
For your therapy, today I want you to post one positive comment on Digg. Just try it!
You can get through this. - KibibyteBrain, on 10/10/2008, -0/+5Every OS you can buy right now draws heavy inspiration from UNIX core system concepts. Including Windows. Unix had many good ideas, and many bad ones too. But the bad ones usually didn't deal with architecture, so over the years they have been easy to fix or evolve.
- rowjimmy, on 10/10/2008, -0/+5hint - turn off unix/linux articles instead of bitching & moaning...
- GyroTech, on 10/10/2008, -0/+5It's a good job that market share matters absolutely nothing to Linux then isn't it?? It was started, and essentially still is, an experiment and hobby. Hobbies don't have to be profitable to be fun or useful.
The very fact that Linux is used at all is pretty amazing, let alone for corporation use on web servers and the like.
Just because Windows is the most visible (what with their anti-competitive pre-install licenses) doesn't mean it's the most used. I don't remember the last time Windows made it on to a watch, TiVo unit, DVD player, games console etc etc etc ;-) - BoneheadFarker, on 10/10/2008, -0/+5C *is* a superior language...in the right hands. Unfortunately in the wrong hands it can be quite terrible.
- vhanchon, on 10/10/2008, -7/+12Gates != programmer
Gates = billionaire tycoon - CCmachined, on 10/10/2008, -2/+7Free product. It's awesome for those that know how to install an OS and can be arsed to switch (windows isn't better, it's just been hammered into your head your whole life and comes preinstalled on 95% on computers sold. it's "familiar" to everyone.
You're taking "market share" == quality in this capitalist world for a product free in every sense? silly much... - rolf, on 10/10/2008, -0/+5@bieber,
Without users, your favorite apps wouldn't be there. I'm not talking commercial apps. How many apps does something like Plan9 have versus Linux? They are both open source, I believe and Plan 9 has been made to be a superior OS to Unix.
@kmoed
Granny can use Ubuntu by now. Depending on what she wants to do (Web surfing?) - snek, on 10/10/2008, -1/+6I use both Linux (custom built Debian installation from the ground up) and Vista64.. At work I use OS X and all our webservers run some flavor of Linux as well. Of course most of my Windows machines used to run XP.
I used to hate linux though, it had a lot of problems even just 4 years back. These days I am considering getting rid of Vista64 and installing Linux on that machine as well but it is my game machine, so that's not really an option. Dualbooting is a waste of diskspace imho, I have a seperate homeserver which run Linux on.
Vista is great, Linux is great, OS X is great and XP is great.. It just depends what you want to do with it and how nerdy you want to get with it ;)
In my order of preference:
Linux -> Vista64 -> OS X -> XP -> Vista32 - ethana2, on 10/10/2008, -0/+5..and my grandma will, shortly after I get the PCI wifi g cards I ordered..
- schestowitz, on 10/10/2008, -5/+10Here is it more visually: http://widefox.pbwiki.com/Kernel%20Comparison%20Li ...
- Rev0lver, on 10/10/2008, -13/+17Linux has a long way to go before it can ever truly stand toe-to-toe with any Windows release. Say what you will about Vista's initial release, but you'd be a fool to deny that it has truly come a long say since then. Hell, most of the gripes people had with it had to deal with trying to run it on ancient hardware with even older drivers.
- puma, on 10/10/2008, -2/+6exactly.
- BXRWXR, on 10/10/2008, -9/+13Correction: It took 17 years to be what Windows _is_.
- xenix, on 10/10/2008, -0/+4Didn't Gates work on Microsoft Basic though?
- TnTBass, on 10/10/2008, -0/+4Gates is extremely famous, just not as a programmer, his fame comes from founding Microsoft, not programming Windows (or DOS as it was when he actually did the programming).
Linus' fame is all due to programming.
Thus, I don't actually think that line is incorrect. Keep in mind, we are not talking fame in general; we are talking specifically about programming. Also keep in mind, Linus still does programming, while Gates does not. - snek, on 10/10/2008, -1/+5It's still clunky though.. I hate the normal full install, it's just as bloated if not even more so than windows.. OS X is a major piece of bloat as well though.. Start with a server/base install and then add the packages you need, not what the manufacturer determines you need! Ubuntu server edition is nice to start with, then just install gnome-core etc and you're well on your way to have a very, very lite installation!
- Katana314, on 10/10/2008, -2/+6Hey, it's great for servers, no one's denying that. It's the desktop/laptop crowd we're arguing over.
- duckyinc, on 10/10/2008, -2/+6"Linux is what Windows had once promised to be .....at least in terms of cross-platform support"
How to spin a story so it looks better.. - SloS13, on 10/10/2008, -1/+5Reading that made me feel dumb.
- maninalift, on 10/10/2008, -0/+4Shows a little programmer bias here - counts in Linux's favour for being a hight proportion C code and then again it counts in its favour that it is a lower proportion C++. Did Linus write this comparison?
- wallclimber, on 10/10/2008, -0/+4"Not sure what the revenue model would be but if you want people to use something, you gotta market it."
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There's LOTS of marketing for GNU/Linux. It's called Grassroots Marketing...there is no way to measure it and it's something money can't buy.
Helping to get good information out to the world is a way for non-programmers to contribute. No "Mojave" type scam is needed. We can actually show people how useful GNU/Linux is, on their own computers, in their own homes at their convenience, by using Live CDs as demos.
Call us "fanboys" if you want (or fan-grannies?), but the truth is that Microsoft can only wish that their money could buy this sort of brand loyalty and activism. FUD and astroturfing (with a side-order of chair-throwing, patent threats and arm-twisting) is the best they can do. Sad, really.
What will be especially interesting to watch in the coming days of financial gloom, is how our governments and schools will try to justify continuing to pay huge chunks of money to Microsoft for software licensing when there are much better, more secure and less expensive (if not down right free) FOSS choices available. - raydeen, on 10/10/2008, -2/+6Right now, my Ubuntu install is the fastest loading of all my OSes. XP and OS X take anywhere from 3 to 5 minutes to get to the point where I can do anything. Ubuntu is up and running and connected to my network in just under a minute. I'm not seeing any clunkiness or bloat there. OS X is running on a first gen MacBook with 2 gigs and XP and Ubuntu are running on a Dell e1505 with 2 gigs. Both Core Duo machines with 60 gig SATA drives.
- kanabiis, on 10/10/2008, -0/+3Well I have been using an Ubuntu desktop image for my primary business OS for almost 2 years. I have yet to find a reason to switch back to MS for any business need, it also helps that my entire company runs on Linux servers, they speak to each other perfectly.
Unfortunately, I do have to maintain a dual boot workstation to feed my WoW addiction, but thats more the fault of Blizzard for not using those millions of dollars in monthly revenue to fuel development of a Linux client.
Sooner then later though, my xbox 360 addiction will overcome my WoW addiction and I will finally end my PC gaming in favor of the xbox 360 experiance. Which, IMHO is where MS is currently leading the competition, COD 4 multiplayer has consumed so many days of my time my wife is starting to wish I still played WoW..... but I digress.... - int19h, on 10/11/2008, -0/+3I was about to dig that comment up, until I saw the mention of Emacs. ViM! ;)
- bondfreak05, on 10/10/2008, -0/+3Wish I could digg you twice
- KibibyteBrain, on 10/10/2008, -1/+4But the kernel is still important. Think about why Linux is the preferred kernel over others, its wide development base allows for lots of new innovation+compatibilities. Many Unix admins think BSD is a better kernel, but still use Linux because of this. This is important in my eyes because a GNU project would be pointless without a widely compatibly support everything kernel to back it so that people with even the most esoteric weird propriety boxes can still run it.
This said, the Linux kernel team seems to be going down a slippery slope these last few years in basically abandoning the idea of a *real* stable branch of the kernel in any respect. I hope they fix this. - CalcProgrammer1, on 10/10/2008, -0/+3Open Windows 98. Look at its ugly gray boring interface. Load up Ubuntu. Look at Compiz effects. Load up IE5 on Windows 98. Load a complex modern website. Repeat on Firefox in Ubuntu. Get a new video card. Put it in your Windows 98 machine. Watch as you can't find drivers. Repeat in Ubuntu, but accept the automated Restricted Drivers prompt and see 3d graphics. Yeah, Win98 is SOOOO like Linux. /s
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