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- BrownieMix, on 07/24/2009, -41/+404Apple should make a Linux port of iTunes.
- depro9, on 07/24/2009, -32/+311When will the EU go after Apple & their anti competitive music monopoly?
- Cole2026, on 07/24/2009, -98/+311I don't understand why you would buy an iPod for music in the first place--there are a ton of better options out there with much more space and better sound quality for the same price.
- marmoset, on 07/24/2009, -42/+239Yep, because no one spends money like Linux users.
- rkthoadan, on 07/24/2009, -5/+182There's nothing sudden about this. Interoperability has never been popular at apple.
- bluechild, on 07/24/2009, -18/+169We do. We just spend it wisely.
- djnforce9, on 07/24/2009, -27/+165Here are some reasons I can think of:
1. Trusted Brand name for some
2. Some people actually "like" using iTunes (sounds crazy but it's true)
3. Storage capacity is still very high on iPods. They can be used as portable HDD's essentially (although new models need to be jailbroken first).
4. Supports pretty much all accessories including docking stations which isn't a guarantee for third party devices.
In my case, I have an iPod 4th Generation (Photo). I got RockBox on it and it's been far easier to manage. I really hated having to use some internal database to store songs while the physical files are disorganized and renamed to something weird. Now I can do a side by side file and directory comparison to ensure my device is synced.
Seriously though. Why can't Apple respect that their customers would like to do as they please with the device they own without all these stupid restrictions? - Anand999, on 07/24/2009, -6/+135I don't expect Apple to support interoperability with 3rd party software themselves. However, I don't expect Apple to explicitly and actively try and break interoperability with 3rd party either.
Kind of like how I don't expect Microsoft to ship Firefox with their OS, but it'd be pissed if they'd constantly release new updates for Windows for the explicit purpose of stopping me from installing Firefox. - rnawky, on 07/24/2009, -9/+112Apple tried to prevent the Pre from syncing with iTunes and Palm just released an update to fix it.
People Jailbreak iPhones, Apple patches it with a new OS, and it gets jail broken again.
You used to not be able to sync an iPod on a Linux distro, and now you can.
Apple may try to prevent users from using their products, but someone will always come along and crack it.
Nothing is impossible, not including my sex life. - inactive, on 07/24/2009, -15/+107Why shouldn't it work with linux..?? It's an mp3 player it should connect to your computer.. it's REAL simple bro.
- Mark1981, on 07/24/2009, -22/+103iPod not working on Linux? - there's an app for that.
Or there would be if Apple weren't a control freak
(There are better alternatives - http://www.anythingbutipod.com/). - amoore2600, on 07/24/2009, -8/+84I always felt that Amazon.com Never got the love it deserved from Linux users. They have always supported Linux for MP3 and OGG music downloads. Additionaly thay also use Flash for their VOD Movie rentals (JUST SAY NO TO $ilverlight/Moonlight). I buy all my music and movie rentals from them because of this.
Support the companies that support your OS!
(LInux Music Download Page - Software not requierd)
http://www.amazon.com/gp/dmusic/help/amd.html?ie=U ...
VOD Move Page
http://www.amazon.com/Video-On-Demand/b/ref=sa_men ... - celotil, on 07/24/2009, -11/+78I own three physical Apple products - MacBook Pro, iPod Classic 160GB, and Airport Express - and they've worked well for me within the confines of their own "natural" limitations - e.g. the iPod doesn't cross-platform too well between Mac and Windows as a portable drive when Windows doesn't have the ability to read the Mac file system.
If Apple continues down this road of severely limiting how their hardware interacts with third-party software, i.e. more than in the past when a simple work-around would work 99% of the time and give the appearance of "due-diligence" as far as the DRM crowd were concerned, then I'm going to have to look at alternatives for the future.
As much as I like the unified look-and-feel of the Apple ecosystem, what if I want to do something not accounted for by Apple, or accounted for in a negative fashion?
I know when something I want to do is restricted due to purely economical or DRM reasons - such as DVD region locking, the iTunes store limiting my purchases to the Au store because of the origins of my credit card, Hulu not letting me watch videos due to my location, my iPod not being able to sync with other Macs without authorisation - and when something either does or doesn't work due to purely technical reasons - not being able to run Windows software natively on OS X, not being able to read my iPod's OS X file system on a Windows machine (given an automatic lack of file system support).
Just about all the software I use on my MBP is either made cross-platform or has an equivalent - not always looking or functioning exactly the same, but I've dealt with that before with moving around between Macs, Windows-based, and Linux-based machines - so if I have to, I'll switch away from Apple with about the same amount of ease as I switched to them in the first place, and, if they continue morphing into a company driven by politics rather than technology, with about the same amount of regret, i.e. none. - MtheoryX, on 07/24/2009, -4/+61@Ford_Prefect2nd:
IMHO, swapping out a bunch of SD cards is no different than carrying a stack of CDs. - inactive, on 07/24/2009, -4/+59Apple loves making software for windows, thats how they make windows slow and clunky like they claim in their ads.
- marciot, on 07/24/2009, -3/+57Now if Palm really wants to piss off Apple, they could open source the code they used to access the iPod.
- captinherb, on 07/24/2009, -13/+59Because I bought and paid for this piece of hardware and Apple is going out of their way to repeatedly control how I use it, up to and including breaking the ways I was able to use it after its been purchased.
- tdmeth, on 07/24/2009, -4/+49Apple < Microsoft. They're much more restrictive and anti-competitive than Microsoft ever was.
- deathsquadx, on 07/24/2009, -10/+54Does the Zune work with a Mac?
- jejones, on 07/24/2009, -4/+46In my case, the iPod was a gift.
From reading the comments on the article, and reviews, I'm thinking I will move to a Cowon S9. WIsh it did Ogg Theora, but otherwise it's looking really good. - Ford_Prefect2nd, on 07/24/2009, -3/+43"Everyone expects Microsoft to do so and it does its best to make sure everything works with its software." No MS gets sued if they make something proprietary like this. Every other mp3 device works with all OS's for the most part. Apple apologist will let Apple get away with this, which in turn has Apple making more and more products that screw their customers. Why can't I drag and drop music onto the device? Why can't I use it as a portable HD to transport non-media around. Because Apple fans will excuse any behavior from Apple to their own detriment. MS is attacked from all sides, so they can't BS like this, could you imagine if the Zune could ONLY sync with Media Player? People would flip out, so the Zune has to be better.
- c5kirk, on 07/24/2009, -7/+47I really don't think that Apple is targeting Linux users here. They obviously changed the way iTunes syncs in order to break compatibility with the Pre and Linux users got caught in the crossfire.
- Jeff901, on 07/24/2009, -7/+46Apple is doing what IBM did with their PC's a while back....make sure that nothing else works with their products except their products............BTW: This business model almost forced IBM out of business.
- kevinmoore, on 07/24/2009, -6/+45Much more space? Excellent! Please tell me where I can find an mp3 player with more than 160GB capacity.
- FredFredrickson, on 07/24/2009, -2/+38He should have said "better cost to size ratio". The last generation of iPods was great for this, but now that they have the "touch" models, the ratio is *****.
- KungFuJ35u5, on 07/24/2009, -4/+40The point is the iPod DID work with Linux until Apple's recent intervention.
- justice7, on 07/24/2009, -1/+35being a linux user has nothing to do with being cheap. I'd be more worried about those who pirate Windows.
- billizm, on 07/24/2009, -13/+47For this, ***** Apple. Oh *****, can I say that on digg?
- KUKBAHLAM, on 07/24/2009, -22/+55My Archos died after many years of brutal service and 2 new batteries. Then I got an ipod vid 30gig as a gift. Horrible POS. I came close to trashing it but I found rockbox. That turned it into a real mp3 player. Knowing that they are now locking out the aftermarket OS's, I won't be using another apple. I should have learned my lesson over the IIe vs mac fiasco. Apple has a long history of turning on their customers.
- Jaablaze, on 07/24/2009, -5/+38http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/portable-media/zune-now ...
The app isn't made by microsoft, but at least they aren't trying to crush it.... - next, on 07/24/2009, -1/+33Yeah, but it's sad that developers need to waste their time fighting Apple over crap when they could be improving software like Amarok or some such. We shouldn't be fighting a battle for the right to use our own devices in the way we want.
- Floobins, on 07/24/2009, -7/+38Apple should not have to do anything for anyone. Neither should Microsoft. If Apple will not support your OS, do not buy iPods. I wish people could understand this whole concept of 'voting with your wallet'. There are plenty of other decent music players out there that will work with Linux.
- al3efroman, on 07/24/2009, -3/+33Your point would make sense, if these things hadn't previously worked. The whole point of the article is not "foreign parts" but about actions Apple takes to kill interoperability that already exists.
- MCA2142, on 07/24/2009, -9/+39My Diamond Rio PMP300 works beautifully with Linux.
Win. - inactive, on 07/24/2009, -8/+38***** APPLE
- GBladeCL, on 07/24/2009, -19/+47Can anyone say anti-trust? Who's with me‽
- lexaniaz, on 07/24/2009, -2/+29What does using Linux have anything to do with not spending money? I use linux, but I had to dish out quite a bit for my laptop. If someone needs a music player, they will buy it. If Apple gets a Linux port, they would just be increasing their customer base.
- Stalks, on 07/24/2009, -2/+28They aren't asking for support. They made their own application to access the iPod via Linux. Apple are trying to take that away.
- B1665r, on 07/24/2009, -6/+31The uniquely apple bit will be that Apple fans will delight in the sweet elegance of iPods without music player components and call it a revolutionary design feature.
- next, on 07/24/2009, -2/+27I'd love to see a coalition with groups like the gtkpod developers, Palm, and any others working together to publicly document how to circumvent Apple's garbage.
It would save everyone a lot of time and send a message to Apple at the same time: we'll use our devices for whatever we want, whenever we want, and there's nothing you can do about it. - al3efroman, on 07/24/2009, -3/+28Okay, a few points. Linux is not Unix, nor is OS X. OS X is based on NEXTSTEP and Free BSD. These are all POSIX compliant, but completely different in the realm of licensing, required code contributions and often, windowing systems.
I'm not saying that iTunes for Linux isn't possible, it is, but not because OS X is built on "Unix". - insertAliasHere, on 07/24/2009, -6/+30The restriction is there because Palm came along and released the Pre. The Pre spoofed iTunes, and told it that it was an iPod. So Apple plugged that hole.
Apple has a vested interest in making iTunes work only with iPods. The Pre is a direct competitor to one of their most successful products (iPhone). And Palm decides that, rather than writing their own Sync software that could easily use the iTunes library (which is just an XML file), they'll just piggyback off of Apple's work. And they actually advertised iTunes compatibility! I can't fault Apple in the slightest for this move. The iTunes store exists to get people to buy iPods. Of course they blocked competitors from using it.
They didn't make this change to intentionally break the Linux hacks; those were a casualty of war. - tdmeth, on 07/24/2009, -2/+26Bingo.
- alexiadeath, on 07/24/2009, -4/+27No apple shoudn't have to cover all the bases. But it shouldn't screw over those that try to cover their own ass either.
- Myztry, on 07/24/2009, -8/+31That's more to the point. Beyond the phrase "An enemy of my enemy is my friend" both Linux and Apple need each to increase share so as to reduce the impact Microsoft has overall.
- marmotjmarmot, on 07/24/2009, -4/+27I switched to Linux 2 years ago, and iTunes is the only app that I can say that I miss. I should not have to buy a different mp3 player because I've switched systems; it's a device, that's all. I would go back to iTunes in a heartbeat if it could run in WINE, or there was a port that works.
- inactive, on 07/24/2009, -2/+24go back to youtube --- bra.
- akeldama, on 07/24/2009, -1/+23@g33kfu, actually, Windows Mobile devices can sync with Linux. Don't let that get in the way of your fanboyism though...
http://linux.softpedia.com/get/Office/Groupware/Sy ... - Slick42, on 07/24/2009, -3/+24Are you kidding? Compared to Steve Jobs Apple, Microsoft looks like the FSF, if you look past the propaganda. You can not even install an Application on an iphone without HIS blessing. There would be an huge outcry if MS would do this on WinMo.
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