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- ChiaGod, on 06/11/2009, -1/+63This is why every distro needs an upgrade advisor. A simple tool that scans your computer before you do a distribution upgrade and fore-warns the user of any potential problems in the new version (since this was a known issue aforehand). Something simple like:
"You're about to upgrade to Ubuntu 9.04, a quick hardware scan (lspci) shows you're using an intel 940 graphics chip. There are currently issues with your setup in Jaunty {here} and {here}. Would you like to stay with 8.10 or Upgrade anyways?"
Actually, every OS should have that... - orbish, on 06/11/2009, -3/+27Thanks for posting this!
Maybe my netbook will perform decently once 9.10 comes out. I could always go back to hardy or ibex... but downgrading makes my penis soft. - PsychoBrat, on 06/11/2009, -0/+21If you have the time, please pop it up on Ubuntu brainstorm ( http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/ ); that kind of idea is likely to get gobbled up by the appreciative masses in minutes, and plenty of popular ideas *have* been implemented by the core developers.
- Arramol, on 06/11/2009, -1/+18For the record, several of Intel's GPUs have no drivers for Vista or Win7. Very annoying, since my laptop's hardware should be capable of running 7, but I can't get hardware video acceleration because Intel doesn't feel like updating their drivers. This same GPU works flawlessly in Ubuntu.
- yfph, on 06/11/2009, -2/+13Actually, Ubuntu's updater warned people who have ATI cards with installed proprietary drivers (deemed legacy by 09.04) that the drivers would not work with the new install. Maybe they should have programmed in a ninja to jump out from the screen and pin the user's arm behind his back to prevent him from pressing the go-ahead button.
- zwaldowski, on 06/11/2009, -0/+9> To activate UXA, use Option AccelMethod "EXA"
I'm sure Bryce Harrington didn't say that. - fritzek, on 06/11/2009, -0/+8What's wrong with it?
(running GeForce 6600 with proprietary drivers, firefox with adobe flash plugin 64bit on Debian Lenny) - NuBiXx, on 06/11/2009, -4/+11still no proprietary drivers for ATI? can't get my ATI X1300 to work properly.
- javaroast, on 06/11/2009, -0/+7Yes, every OS should have an upgrade advisor. It would save a lot of unnecessary headaches for end users. I like your idea, but had to double check that I was still reading digg when I saw an actual constructive idea!
- inactive, on 06/11/2009, -0/+7There's never going to be proprietary drivers for ATI.
But the repository on https://launchpad.net/~tormodvolden/+archive/ppa helps a lot. - TokyoKoss, on 06/11/2009, -0/+7Wow, that is one of the most retarded posts I've read all week. Thanks!
- mrBitch, on 06/11/2009, -0/+6RE: " ... it will never be able to be as fast as a Mac I know because I'm extremely interested in science and programming and I've done lots of research on the topic but yeah."
Yeah, from your post content I'm pretty sure you don't know WTF you're talking about... - mrBitch, on 06/11/2009, -0/+6RE: " ... my laptop's hardware should be capable of running 7, but I can't get hardware video acceleration because Intel doesn't feel like updating their drivers.
This same GPU works flawlessly in Ubuntu."
It's all about the drivers, but I'm surprised that the generic Win7 drivers are not working on so many of intel's GPU parts... - NuBiXx, on 06/11/2009, -1/+7yeah very good idea, The drivers work perfect in 8.10 but unfortunately it's a no go in 9.04 :(
- Colinho22, on 06/11/2009, -0/+6***** you
- earthforce1, on 06/11/2009, -2/+8I have an ATI card and saw no such warning, or I would have cancelled the upgrade. I was the one who first reported the bug ( which was acknowledged as real by the Ubuntu X maintainer) AFTER the install.
- angryfirelord, on 06/11/2009, -0/+6Same problem here. Fortunately, DRI2 and the radeonhd team has made good progress so you should get some basic rendering with the next Ubuntu release. Good 3D might still be a few years away, but its better than nothing. I heard Fedora 11 has DRI2 out of the box, so try using that distro and see if you can get any progress.
Of course, after ATI's little stunt and abandoning 2-3 year old cards, I certainly won't be buying from them again. - computershack, on 06/11/2009, -1/+6For those thinking that 9.10 is going to be the saviour, it won't. It'll merely fix a set of problems then introduce a whole load more. 2 years of Ubuntu releases has proven that they no longer give a ***** about quality control. Prior to that, they were an upcoming distro that needed to release solid, problem free, easy to use versions and that's what they were. Now they're hellbent on being cutting edge and that means instability which is not what a "noob" distro needs to be.
- GBladeCL, on 06/11/2009, -0/+5Been using this since Sun. and now I can use compiz again. Now I need to get back to my wobbly windows.
- HonoredMule, on 06/11/2009, -0/+5ZFS transactional upgrades and dist-upgrades with apt-clone work awesomely in Nexenta. If brtfs supports clones as well as snapshots, you should (like with Nexenta), be able to not only /revert/ to older versions of the OS, but even boot to and modify them alongside the latest version with minimal space usage. You could have ten versions of your favorite distro for the filespace-cost of about two, all one one partition. With a little cooperation, you could even have completely different distros on different clones of the same root partition.
That would be awesome indeed. - amenic, on 06/11/2009, -0/+4This is partially good news but I'm not getting my hopes up. The streaming video of this chipset is nothing short of completely pathetic. Oh how I wish AMD would have come out guns blazing in this netbook market place with a decent graphics / cpu chipset.
Intel needs to either give up or put a hell of a lot more effort in. My god damn iphone obliterates their video chipset / driver performance. I would be ashamed to be named an Intel engineer responsible for this project...
I'm also glad that people are aware of this crap and know to stay clear of these particular types of Intel graphics products if possible.
Also guys there are other fixes like reverting to the 2.4 driver you can find on the net and some other tweaks you can add to the xorg.conf (be extremely careful and make lots of back ups). - earthforce1, on 06/11/2009, -0/+4I am having serious problems with my ATI 4870x2 GPU since 9.04 - The upgrade doesn't work with the closed source drivers, and I can't use compiz or run X-plane anymore.
I have filed a bug with the Ubuntu maintainer which he acknowledged as real, but hasn't been fixed yet. (Also filed it with ATI) I am really hoping this gets fixed soon. - DCStarClassic, on 06/11/2009, -0/+4Thank god these are coming out, ever since I upgraded from 8.10 to 9.04 for my Dell 1525, my desktop effects wont work anymore.......i was kinda pissed off when they said that the intel chipsets are too weak.....when they worked just fine before.... meh
- theaceoffire, on 06/11/2009, -0/+4I don't know if it is his, but I found one similar:
http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/17218/ - sniperpants, on 06/11/2009, -2/+6Worst Game Ever!!!
- fiddler616, on 06/11/2009, -5/+8First of all, 9.04 is not LTS. That would be 8.04 (Hardy).
Regarding hardware, I'm sorry it didn't work out for you, but: http://blog.tsmacdonald.com/archives/335 - trogdoor, on 06/11/2009, -0/+3Once btrfs has matured enough to be the default filesystem it should be trivial to also make a basically zero cost snapshot before upgrading. Then if there is a problem that arises that update-manager couldn't warn you about ahead of time, it could give you the option of downgrading, even preserving any new files in /home without requiring it to be on a separate partition. If grub2 adds native support for btrfs this could even be used if the upgrade makes the system unbootable.
- armo, on 06/11/2009, -0/+3I reverted to the old Intel driver rather than ditching jaunty completely, it works fine now. Glad to see they should have fixed the issue for Karmic and I'll be back to not needing to faff about. It was like being back on windows having to try out different drivers to see which one would work.
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReinhardTartler/X/Revertin ... - ChiaGod, on 06/11/2009, -0/+3@theaceoffire Good find, solutions 3 and 4 on that page are exactly it, I'll try to bump them up.
- senfo, on 06/11/2009, -0/+3http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/drivers/
- Azathothh, on 06/18/2009, -0/+2"most"?
Open source FTW! - amenic, on 06/11/2009, -0/+2Worked just fine before? I completely disagree. Worked better but the streaming video issues are completely unacceptable and were the same in 8.10.
- tnoy, on 06/12/2009, -0/+2@fiddler
I'm not complaining about "Linux" I'm complaining about Canonical. I've been using Linux for over a decade now, and have never had as many kernel panics and stability problems until I upgraded to 9.04 from 8.04 (just an upgrade at first, then a clean install). There is a significant difference between hardware not being supported, and releasing something that has known issues when there are known fixes.
Linux is fine, I have zero problems with it on this laptop. Canonical did a piss-poor job at this release, so I blame them, not Linux as a whole. - Langford, on 06/11/2009, -0/+2I've been using prereleased drivers along with a prerelease kernel for a little while now to get my video going. As far as I can tell, the main improvement in UXA is that I can now play high res videos smoothly on my old system. The downside to the prereleased stuff using is that it seems to have busted modprobe. I look forward to using the stable stuff instead.
- amenic, on 06/11/2009, -0/+2Keep us updated as I'm looking to upgrade my PC (I'm sure others are) And we are dying to know if AMD cares about issues like this prior to sinking money into them.
- oobuntu, on 06/11/2009, -1/+3i agree with you in part
9.04 sucks (graphics and performance wise) on my eee (UNR), intel gfx based laptop and powerpc ibook, all with major bugs. only the eee has a good workaround so far.
they seem to have been riding their luck a bit with the cutting edge releases, and the intel driver has bitten them hard. the solution would have been to use the old driver, and test properly
however my work PC is working fine, but its the last time i upgrade so soon on critical machines. and intrepid works great and is only 8 months old.
however i don't think a giant mistake like this would make me ditch ubuntu (or change my digg userid!). when they do this with karmic and also make bad strategic decisions i'll start to consider... - zwaldowski, on 06/13/2009, -0/+1It's supposed to be lowercase: uxa, or exa.
- PsychoBrat, on 06/13/2009, -0/+1Cheers; adding my own vote into the mix. =)
- theaceoffire, on 06/11/2009, -1/+2True. Look at my raging hardon, it is so clear I am straight.
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No really, look at it. - DreadKnight, on 06/11/2009, -6/+7Thank you Canonical/Ubuntu and other ***** distros pushing ***** untested an unusable drivers, even if most distros knew already they're *****. Grow the ***** up linux... it seems if one jumps into a well, all others follow... useless distros.
I'm a Kubuntu user... *sigh* - Tenoq, on 06/12/2009, -1/+2Or you could just patch your kernel now. That solved the crappy Intel graphics performance I was getting on the eeePC, but unfortunately I lost my wifi driver. So I can have wifi, or I can have usable Flash. Hmm. :/
- frem, on 06/17/2009, -0/+1Who do you think "they" are? The official Linux flash plugin has issues on all video cards. It's closed source; blame Adobe.
- tnoy, on 06/11/2009, -6/+7The bugginess of 9.04 on my laptop has gotten me to ditch Ubuntu completely. I was getting a kernel panic once an hour--I've never had this many problems with any install of Linux. I didn't think it was possible to ***** over something so royally.
9.04 wasn't ready for release at all. Canonical needs to make releases when they're ready, not to keep some consistency with their release numbering. IMO 'LTS' release should only include proven stable packages, especially if you're going to try and get into the business desktop world. I was planning on moving some of my lab machines at work to Linux, after this ***** theres no chance in hell I'll go with Ubuntu.
I wish I had looked at the list of problems in the release notes before I even tried it out:
http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/904
/rant - nutmac, on 06/11/2009, -0/+1I've tried both "UXA" and "EXA". Both caused my desktop (X3100) to operate in "low graphics" mode.
- theaceoffire, on 06/11/2009, -0/+1Flash in the most recent versions of Ubuntu (7.10 - 9.04) play on my single core pc at around 100%-50% of the CPU.
Download that same flv file, and it plays in VLC with less than 4% CPU.
It isn't so bad if you watch one vid at a time. Maybe I just got unlucky. - MattBD, on 06/11/2009, -0/+1I think the Ubuntu offshoot Linux Mint has something like that - it gives warning ratings to upgrades.
- earthforce1, on 06/11/2009, -0/+1I only bought the card over Nvidia because ATI had just recently open sourced their hardware specification.
You can track it by following bug#
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/366536
(I was the original one who filed it)
Also filed with ATI:
http://ati.cchtml.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1569
Let's hope somebody fixes it soon. - orbish, on 06/12/2009, -1/+1thanks for the link! I'll give that a shot
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