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- zzzpoohzzz, on 02/26/2009, -1/+60i love LAMP....
no seriously. - divinediva, on 02/26/2009, -10/+45Linux has always had the lead, in choice, compatibility, price, stability, performance, security, everything. The problem with Windows is maintenance: that you have to keep applying patches and run anti-virus software. Linux is a much better solution from a manageability standpoint.
- OUPablo, on 02/26/2009, -2/+34the thing I love about linux is that it just seems like I have much more freedom in configuring the server how I want and not just being stuck slightly modifying a predefined setup
- jorisb, on 02/26/2009, -1/+28LAMP > WIMP
- CaptOblivious, on 02/26/2009, -4/+18Sorry bluehouse you've got that completely backwards.
The MS fans have only experienced the MS way of doing things. They think you SHOULD have to reboot the server every time you apply a patch or any time things get in the least bit "odd" and that's how you maintain a server.
I have news friend, in the "real world" servers don't need constant patching and rebooting.
I have just replaced a Novell 4,11 server that I built for a customer in 1999, it has been running continuously since then, no patches no reboots other than power loss greater than the life of the UPSs.
The current uptime since the last reboot is 784 days.
The ONLY reason that it is being replaced is because they need more than the 10gb of space it provides, Well that and the fact that the drives have about 87,660 spin hours on them.
Lets see you make ANY configuration of windows server do that.
I'm replacing it with a Linux server and samba because Linux can do the same thing, I have many 5 and 6 year old installations of them running too. - FyberOptic, on 02/26/2009, -2/+16It's really no different than Windows dominating the desktop OS. There's a group of people who prefer Linux on their desktop, but the large majority believes Windows is more productive/polished/etc. So even if Linux dominates the server market, there will always be groups who will need/want Windows Server at their organizations. It serves a particular purpose, regardless of whether "everyone" needs it. Not everyone needs, like, Solaris either, but it still exists.
Bottom line is, Microsoft isn't "suffering". They just fit a particular niche in this case. - nkassi, on 02/26/2009, -0/+14There are many more advantages than price.
- bxcrx, on 02/26/2009, -7/+20That's it, its final, I'm now moving all my AD servers over to LDAP Servers, all my file sharing goes to SAMBA shares, and DFS goes to ahhh... Exchange then goes to SENDMAIL, no, wait, Kerio... Clustering mailbox servers goes over too... ahhhhh??
Desktop policies will be pushed out from ????
Blackberry Servers go to ........
...
***** - LemonHerb, on 02/26/2009, -2/+15Yeah, it's not like they make money in the server or desktop market. It's probably good that they get out now before they waste to much money in a fruitless venture.
- tomz17, on 02/26/2009, -1/+14Digg CaptOblivious up.... I've managed both Windows Servers from NT4 on up and about every flavor of BSD unix and linux out there... The *nix servers typically have uptimes measured in years. Windows Servers have uptimes measured in weeks.
- hamobu, on 02/26/2009, -0/+12MB is not suffering. Article makes it clear that it is a two horse race.
- localzuk, on 02/26/2009, -0/+12I say choose the right tools for each job. Hosting a website? Want PHP? Use LAMP. Fileserver? Use Linux with SAMBA. Want to manage Windows clients? Use Active Directory.
Firewall? Proxy? Linux
Want to host ASP.net based applications? Or applications that require windows? Use Windows.
Eventually, you'll get to see that most of your existing infrastructure could move to Linux with ease. - smotpoker, on 02/26/2009, -3/+14Not patches that usually require reboots or are notorious for causing worse problems. And most Linux servers don't run any form of AV, so finding/seeing one would be pretty simple. Only servers that allow users to upload/download untrusted files need an AV and the task usually requires fewer servers than the network uses overall (ie a few servers for AV, a few more for web serving, a few more for actual file storage/transfer, a few more for db's and other backend services, etc).
- BigW, on 02/26/2009, -4/+15Why don't you try this. Install JBoss on a windows development server such that is startable/stoppable by a regular user and continues to run after they logout of their session.
Now do the same thing in Linux.
In Windows the answer is convoluted, complicated, and inelegant.
In Linux its one line on the command line!!
For tools and services that real servers have and need, Linux kicks Windows in the teeth! - frequentFlyer, on 02/26/2009, -4/+15Hey Infoworld, the 90s called and they want their article back.
- Malarie, on 02/26/2009, -2/+12If I ever have my own business, it will be running on Linux. Not that i hate MS, but to me it makes more sense not having to pay for all your software...
- nkassi, on 02/26/2009, -0/+9I'd pay for AD on Linux
- LANjackal, on 02/26/2009, -2/+11Buried for innacurate headline.
- anenokoji, on 02/26/2009, -1/+10Considering MS views Linux as a major threat. It's obviously not just a niche market.
- netneutrality, on 02/26/2009, -0/+7Stupidest. Spammer. Ever.
- joerod, on 02/26/2009, -10/+17windows should focus more on exchange, AD, and xbox, and leave servers and desktops to *nix
- inactive, on 02/26/2009, -13/+20"MS Is Suffering"
YAY!!! That is good news for computing freedom, when Microsoft loses everybody else wins. Also, you can't trust Gartner "analysts", they take money from Microsoft to create phony "studies". - netneutrality, on 02/26/2009, -0/+7FreeBSD?
- noisymime, on 02/26/2009, -0/+7I know this is simplistic, but to me the thought of administering a server without SSH just seems like it would be a complete PITA.
- CaptOblivious, on 02/26/2009, -5/+12johnomaz,
I can tell from that statement that you have never administrated a Linux server and I suspect that you've never really used Linux at all.
None of the Linux servers I administer nor any of the Linux workstations run ANY antiviral software.
ALL of the servers are internet facing, all of the workstations are behind firewalls.
With proper administration of user rights, running services and visible ports it's just a non-issue on Linux.
Also, setting up a Linux box to be secure is quite trivial, as compared to getting a windows box to be "secure" - BigW, on 02/26/2009, -1/+8Multi-user was bolted on as an afterthought. There are still far to many control items in windows that you don't get to do unless you're an administrator. I know, I know, you're meticulously crafted GPO's cover all that.
The concept of a root user ala UNIX was never really brought into use for Windows and would have helped with security. Run as != sudo and is a pain in the butt to use.
Frankly, I'm just not in the "gotta lockdown all users" camp. If you've got to lock down the users that much give them remote desktop terminals and not real PCs. I know in windows you'd still be using GPO's for the remote desktops, but configuring that can be a little easier in that case, however hopefully Windows has fixed roaming profiles now, since that used to be unusable.
Also, call me old fasioned but I think UNIX got file permissions right a long time ago. ACL's are nice and I know Linux can do them as well, but the basic owner, group, user file access setup on UNIX was a good basic and easily understandable file security solution.
I also think daemons are way better that services, and that as a shell for a real server DOS is utter crap to put up with. I was actually hoping monad would have been in Vista. - sabach, on 02/26/2009, -0/+6Linux and Windows servers each have their place in my organization. If I can run it on Linux I do. But most of my software vendors won't support Linux deployments so I need the Windows servers too.
- puma, on 02/26/2009, -2/+8yeap.. another " 'nix is comin up" article".... waiting for it to get to a point where all these stupid articles are no longer necessary to remind everyone.
- Dubbsacc, on 02/26/2009, -5/+11You can learn and develop apps for .Net for Free, stop spreading this *****. SQL Server Express and Microsoft Visual Web Developer 2008 are both free.
I know, how horrible, Microsoft actually pays people to develop their IDE. Such blasphemy.
There is a community because there needs to be one in order to get anything done, meanwhile Microsoft documents the hell out of their programming languages, servers, and IDE's. While there are smaller communities, they are less needed than in the Linux world, if I have a problem that is MS related I go to Google.
Don't get me wrong I have and occasionally use Linux, I even checked out some PHP IDE's and MySQL, but the things you say of Microsoft are simply untrue. - kd1s, on 02/26/2009, -0/+6I'm working with a client right now who Dell sold one PE r905 and eight PE 1905's. The PE 1905's have Windows Vista on them (don't ask) but all he had for the PE r905 was SBS 2003 and come to find out, Dell doesn't support that on the r905, nor do they support the trial version of SBS 2008.
I told the client that based upon his needs he should beat Dell up, make them take back the r905, and then get a NAS and an additoonal 1905. I known Debian "Etch" will run on the 1905's. - magamiako, on 02/26/2009, -0/+6Honestly I love how people talk about "servers". It's really funny because I get asked often by a lot of people "How do you setup a server?" As if a "server" is this exotic piece of hardware that is magical or something? I guess in this case a server is a computing device with a primary job of providing services for users with little to no console interaction.
Technically speaking, the "client server" model of software has been around for a long time. X on linux is a "server". SQL Express is a "server" on Windows.
FWIW keep up with Samba 4, I know it's a long way out and I know it probably won't replace MS DCs anytime soon, but Microsoft has been working with them to bring it on par with Active Directory and out of the NT4 era. It might be possible to do something like RODCs with Samba 4 in a few years (currently a nifty feature of Server 2008 in which changes to the domain are not replicated back to the other DCs from remote sites). - ethana2, on 02/26/2009, -0/+6How clear have you made it to your vendors that the second someone else offers you a product on par with theirs that does run on linux, they can go screw themselves?
- spectre_25gt, on 02/26/2009, -1/+6Netbeans I'll give you, but what's wrong with Eclipse? I love working in that IDE. The only bad thing I can think of is that the learning curve is a bit steep.
- mosesmarimo, on 02/26/2009, -5/+10Linux has come of age now. On the server side, it just rocks!
- spectre_25gt, on 02/26/2009, -0/+5We're talking about servers here. How many people browse the web from their servers? 3% is actually a lot higher than I would have expected in a report like that.
- jellygraph, on 02/27/2009, -0/+5we run a cluster of 3 2950/2850's and 5 1850/1950's and Debian Etch runs great on all of them (even Sarge works fine). The only one that had a little difficulty was our HP rack server, which had some uncommon NIC (and decided its a brilliant idea to have the vga port on the back of the server, instead of in front as with the Dells), so we had to use the Etch-and-a-half distro to get things running.
in fact, we don't run a single windows server in our entire company. i went through and one by one consolidated all the windows servers into linux servers, that could do several things on lower resources and more reliably, or could virtualize different services. the only windows machines are the clients, and that wont change because all our clients use windows, hence we need to be the same.
i'll tell you one thing, tho. we have far fewer problems and complaints now. and no one is the wiser. plus, no need to pay for any server licenses - saranagati, on 02/26/2009, -5/+10@skipdog and @bluehouse
i'm going to pretend there was a /s at the end of your statements so that i at least keep a little shred of respect for sys admins. - waydee, on 02/26/2009, -3/+8Best comment so far, shame the ubuntu kiddies will bury you to hell for it.
- twigboy, on 02/26/2009, -0/+4http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/7960/dirtymind2 ...
The lamp, is a lie - blipblopblip, on 02/26/2009, -0/+4OpenBSD, Apache, MySQL, PHP = OAMP
FreeBSD, Apache, MySQL, PHP = FAMP
BeOS / Belenix / BSD-OS, Apache, MySQL, PHP = BAMP
Solaris, Apache, MySQL, PHP = SAMP - magamiako, on 02/26/2009, -7/+11The community isn't there? Guess you haven't looked very hard. In terms of community Microsoft has a very strong and active developer community.
- pudds, on 02/26/2009, -8/+12I feel the opposite. I gladly choose to use .Net, MS-SQL and Windows server to have access to Visual Studio.
Open source development environments (Eclipse, Netbeans, etc) are a travesty. - Solkre, on 02/26/2009, -1/+5It's not cool to hate on OS X
- srg13, on 02/27/2009, -0/+3What UNIX are you talking about though? BSD? Solaris? UnixWare? Mach/XNU?
- raustin, on 02/26/2009, -11/+14LAMP all the way... Windows servers would have died off years ago if there weren't for ASP.
- readme, on 02/26/2009, -3/+6The overall community is tiny compared to that of OSS. Just compare the number of open-source tools, libraries, and platforms to choose from to that of Microsoft. It's not even a contest.
- hamobu, on 02/26/2009, -0/+3I agree with you, but the article makes it clear that in growth and revenue both Linux and Windows are competitive. There is no clear leader yet.
- bennyboyo, on 02/26/2009, -0/+3Administering a server using terminal services is simply horrible. SSH is 100x more efficient.
- njhardc0re, on 02/26/2009, -1/+4No *****.
- inactive, on 02/26/2009, -0/+2yeah you two do it
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