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- WhiteIce89, on 10/12/2007, -5/+99As much as I like Linux, I've never heard a person bitch so much about the TV not turning itself on.
- agrabob, on 10/12/2007, -6/+66I don't know about all of those, but KnoppMyth, MiniMyth and standard MythTV(install it yourself) certainly are NOT easy to install and configure. I want to see something for the masses that can be installed with a package and be done.
- gharding, on 10/12/2007, -7/+56Seriously. I sense a slight bias in this video.
- L0t3k, on 10/12/2007, -5/+40No, MythTV is a huge pain in the ass to install and configure properly, even with KnoppMyth and the like. The nice part is, once it's working, it's way, way more capable than Windows MCE is or ever will be. Once I got my Mythbox rolling, I decided it is a lot like the kitchen sink, you can't figure out how you lived without it.
Oh, and the friends love being able to log into my TV over the web, pick shows that get prioritized automatically just below my selections, and get an email link to download a commercial-free recording in the format of their choosing. :) - Roger, on 10/12/2007, -11/+45Slight?
Microsoft fanboys are bad enough, but Linux fanboys can be even worse. - salmonmoose, on 10/12/2007, -8/+39That's an interesting definition of "hot" that interface is one of the clumsiest looking things I've seen come out of the OSS world for a long while.
Windows MCE, Vista, Apple TV, and the PS3 have each got elegant interfaces that allow easy access to information without covering the screen in small-unreadable text.
The gyro mouse is pretty cool, but there is nothing stopping you use one for Windows MCE (out of the box no less). Also, WinMCE also supports files from networked computers. But you know, when was the last time anyone let facts get in the way of a good linux demonstration. - kolbygoodman, on 10/12/2007, -6/+32That guy is right, Linux can turn on the TV automatically, and it can allow you to yell at the UPS from work, but it will not get that dude laid.
- Roger, on 10/12/2007, -13/+37What an annoying fanboy.
Windows MCE looked alot easier to control, especially if you were sitting far away. The Linux MCE looked too complicated. - CheapDigWannbe, on 10/12/2007, -4/+281. He compared new Linux MCE vs old Windows MCE.
2. Menus although useful, look horrible in Linux MCE (rainbow mode? some green, some yellow..?)
3. I just don't believe that everything works automatically out of the box.
4. How secure is your system if everything is controlled by your computer?
5. Automatic media discovery in real life just finds thousands of irrelevant media files, as well as dupes.
6. Stop pronouncing ED in pressED.
7. I don't know where you buy your software, but OEM Windows MCE was selling for $199 not $400 in Q4 of 2006
Even though you talk like a snotty duche and talk mostly crap, thank you for showing how cool Linux MCE is.
8. Linux MCE is amazing and I want to try it - InfiniteNothing, on 10/12/2007, -6/+29I've found knoppmyth to be quite easy to install. It's practically a wizard. It's come a long way in the past year. The only thing I had to research is playing DVDs and that's not exactly their fault.
- usherzx, on 10/12/2007, -2/+24—ruspecnaz
yes, but not without a wireless 3 buuhton gyro mouse, and you also have to put your cell phone in the room you want cleaned, but after that first time you set it up, it will automatically do it every day...out of the box - whereas WindowsMCE won't. - luet, on 10/12/2007, -3/+24"How do ***** linux can turn the lights off in my room???"
Oh god, I'm never letting my future children skip English class - cliffzdude, on 10/12/2007, -1/+22The TV turning itself on is a bit of *****. Most of the time viewer sits down and turns on their TV, ok here you turn on the TV via remote that hits Linux MCE, which sends IR commands to turn everything else on. Either way, you still gotta walk up and start some ***** or grab a remote. So, what really is the BFD?
Personally I don't want to bundle in such functions into the media center pc, I want it on my remote. Logitech Harmony remote to be exact.
The menus look cool as ***** by the way, so cool I can see my wife screaming at the top of her lungs "CLIFF! HOW THE HELL DO I CHANGE THE CHANNEL WITH THIS STUPID THING???!!!" - ripper365, on 10/12/2007, -2/+23If the media is so important to this guy that it MUST be on screen at all times, why does he watch 16:9 videos stretched vertically to 4:3?
Plus, he talks about changing his thermostat with his phone from anywhere on the planet (among other things)... how is that relevant in any way? This guy likes men. - etx313, on 10/12/2007, -11/+31Yeah, Agreed. This guy is kinda a d-bag. Being a designer I can say the Windows MCE has a much nicer interface. The Linux one might look ok on a HD tv, but it's going to be illegible on a 480i.
- JeffS, on 10/12/2007, -1/+18Too annoying to watch which is sad. I really hate biased reviews like this.
- ruspecnaz, on 10/12/2007, -3/+20Can linux clean my room as well?
- msgyrd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+16Home automation equipment. It's pricey, but it's been around for a long time.
- deadbaby, on 10/12/2007, -9/+25You're talking non-sense but I wanted to let you know I firmly support your first amendment right to post your thoughts on the subject.
- utkwes, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15That comment doesn't make any fracking sense whatsoever. You're an idiot.
- CheapDigWannbe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13Gyroscope capability is a great plus on a remote. But requiring to use it for almost every operation is annoying as hell.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+17So Linux MCE does magic? All this "out of the box" aka hours of compiling,IF you can get drivers.....
1. It knows what brand of TV, DVD, X10 or VCR you have
2. It counts them all magically in your house
3. finds all codes for remote for you
4. finds all inputs you connected for you
5. finds your zip code for you
6. magically connects to you bluetooth phone and uploads java applet for you
and comes with cool gyro remote.
I think you have been watching too much of Harry Potter? - ruspecnaz, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14So they show how linux automatically detects cellphones and blha blha blha. Imagine that, you have friends over at your house and suddenly their phoneshave control over your TV!!!!!11111 ZOmg!!@@!!`` 0))
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13Get an X10 system. Firecrackers (Computer to wireless X10) go for about 8 bucks American, and I'm sure you can pick up a transceiver on the cheap if you look hard enough. As for lamp modules, they're only about $30 a pop.
You'll never know how you lived without it ;). - deadbaby, on 10/12/2007, -5/+17Lots of FUD here. He's demonstrating Windows MCE2k5 which he claims costs $400. Pure BS. This makes me highly suspicious of the other claims. How in the wold is it able to control devices without previously learning the IR codes? Also he says with LinuxMCE you put in the disk in it works however the website clealry states you need to install Ubuntu 6.1 first. More FUD. I trust this guy just about as much as I trust Steve Balmer. (and I would pay to see the have a pie eating contest) Also from a purely editorial standpoint, you gotta question people who go for home automation systems. Come on... Standing up and walking 6ft isn't the end of the world.
- seuaniu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12I'm not sure if Linux will run on a roomba, but I'm pretty sure NetBSD will :)
- mobilehavoc, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14A demo of Vista RC1's Media Center done by a guy who actually worked on it...
http://blog.retrosight.com/PermaLink,guid,7213798f-e72d-46cc-aab0-2f7460ebf1e4.aspx
This is RC1, it's even better in the release version.. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12wtf are you smoking in x11 you have more functionality over your cursor than on windows. if youd like to change the cursor in linux mce im sure that its an easy thing to change.
- agrabob, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11Lol, dont bother downloading this until tommorow. Looks like this got posted to digg before the owner of linuxmce.com was ready. He's got a big message about exceeding bandwith.
- seuaniu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11I'm a total linux fanboy, but you are absolutely right. NOTHING that he demonstrated happens "automagically". everything that he showed takes some serious setup, but I imagine is worth it in the end.
Now, about home automation.... I've been looking into that for awhile, and the setup he's using is called Pluto. Its not about using a remote to turn on the lights, its about automation. You really can set it up to randomly turn on lights in your house while you're on vacation, control the AC from anywhere in the world, let out the dog, monitor an alarm/video system, see who's come home yet with keypad entry, etc. Don't knock it because you don't get it. As soon as I get done fixing up my old-assed house, I'll be installing a home server for just that purpose. This Linux "MCE" would be better off on a server to run the house with a mythtv frontend for the tv. - kendawg, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13Let me know when it works with the best analog tv tuner out there, ati's theater 550/650. I already have one and I don't want to downgrade to inferior hardware in order to use linux.
- Mootabolife, on 10/12/2007, -6/+15He doesn't know yet, he's too busy watching tv.
- Xentrion, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9At least one "flaw" that he pointed out is fixed in Vista Media Centre: The video is now edge to edge fullscreen, although the menus are still on top and almost opaque over the video near the bottom of the screen.
- Roger, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10How does the Linux MCE turn his TV on anyway?
I'm guessing he has a infrared transmitter connected to the MCE box?
Assuming thats true then you need to buy the transmitter and configure the Linux MCE to use it. Therefore adding to total cost and setup time. - usherzx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9LinuxMCE looks really good so far, but the video was not.
oh damn i have to press the buuuhton on the TV to turn it on
show me more footage of this home automation, how do the lights dim, how does it follow my phone around?
So is he saying that I can leave the living room, and walk into the kitchen and the kitchen TV will turn on when I walk in and start playing the movie where I left it in the living room? - sexycommando, on 10/12/2007, -6/+15"I don't know about all of those, but KnoppMyth, MiniMyth and standard MythTV(install it yourself) certainly are NOT easy to install and configure. I want to see something for the masses that can be installed with a package and be done."
THANK YOU. Good to see some people do think about the little people. I am a member of "the ignorant masses" that needs easy-to-install/configure stuff, and I have been hoping for something like LinuxMCE for a long time. I was hoping Automatix would do something like this eventually, but this is even better! Will definitely try it out this weekend. - mobilehavoc, on 10/12/2007, -5/+14Compare it to Vista's Media Center asshat.
- whitlmr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9I've been running mythtv on fedora for about a month now and have been very happy with its performance. I'm a fairly advanced windows user, had good DOS skills back in the day but limited linux/unix experience. The mythtv setup process was a nightmare. It took me around 3 days solid and lots of missed sleep and the ONLY way I got it running was with the wilsonet.com guide.
I'm currently on my third complete install. The first one I screwed up royally because I didn't know what I was doing and would have paid money for a Windows like "system restore" function to undo my damage to drivers. The second one I hosed the mysql database when I tried to change the hostname to something besides localhost.localdomain. In all fairness I never really got it working fully, I had to type modprobe blah blah stuff every time I rebooted. I seriously had a post-it note with all the things I had to type on reboot. Yeah I may be lame, but I'm also an advanced mainstream user. Linux can't be this difficult to setup if it wants to gain acceptance in the mainstream community. This current install has been going well but I learned my lesson to NOT TOUCH ANYTHING once it works.
I will probably try out the linuxmce.com thing on a spare PC and see if it is any better. I will say that I've been running ubuntu on a laptop as a persistent LiveCD and have been very impressed. It's much more easily configured than Fedora, although it won't keep my stinking wireless WEP key.. it keeps all my other files and settings in persistent mode but not the WEP and I don't feel like googling for hours to try and fix it.
Bottom line, I'm a linux fan and see the promise but in the end, as much as we might not like it, Microsoft works out of the box more times that Linux. - dh8r, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12How many people have home automation? Also most of that presentation was him showing off his mouse...
- mrjkwik, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9first, what many of you seem to miss, is that this is a DEMO, not a REVIEW. so of course its biased.
it seems that many are getting hung up on the usual linux vs xp thing, which yes, they guy kinda brought on himself. but again, its a demo, not a review. have an open mind, read more about the project rather than just watching the video. i think before anyone can say its not easy to configure, dont you think you need to attempt to configure it first? to me, thats like saying a particular brand new car is hard to drive, when you, nor anyone you know, has ever driven one? i thought linux was about keeping an open mind.
with that said, yes, i'm a windows user primarily. i have windows mc on a laptop. but i am open to trying this on an htpc i'll be building this spring.
also, the home automation thing is a nice concept. i read about the pluto stuff a while ago before seeing this. here is a simplified example of what he means, or is capable of doing...
you carry with a you bluetooth phone. you set it up to identify "you" by the phone you carry. say you start watching a movie. it can turn off the lights, mute your home phone (asterisk), and turn on and adjust your audio equipment. it gets late and you decide to go to the bedroom and finish the movie. so you walk from the living room, to the bedroom. without ever touching anything, the living room computer senses you left from losing the bluetooth signal, and turns off the tv and theater equipment. when you walk into the bedroom, the bedroom pc senses you there, turns on the tv, and starts the movie from where you left.
also, say you have something like asterisk set up. if your in the living room, it knows your there, and when a call comes in, it sends the call to only that room.
and so on. simple plug and play, like you guys, i doubt it. but cool none the less. - jdepcad, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10Okay... This was upsetting me enough, I had to actually register on digg, just so I could comment on this....
To all those that are saying this is just mythtv, it's not.
To all those saying that Knopmyth and such are just the same or better, you are comparing apples and mangos.
This project is a fork off http://plutohome.com
Pluto is a turnkey box that is a pile of OSS applications integrated in to one seamless solution. It includes MythTV, Asterisk, and bunch of other things integrated together through a binding layer.
More info on the Pluto -> LinuxMCE fork can be found here...
http://www.linuxmce.com/wiki/index.php/History - Roger, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10Nah, the Year of Linux is always (current year)+1.
- textureglitch, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9Isn't it unintentionally fitting that Microsoft's mascot is a bug?
- Derrekito, on 10/12/2007, -7/+14WOW, a M$ fanboy actually knows what X is... I'm almost impressed.
- Roger, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9What does DRM have to do with this story? The video was mostly about usability.
And aside from a few cool hacks for the Linux MCE (e.g. turning on the TV automatically, etc.), I thought the Windows MCE looked more user friendly.
And you wouldn't need "access to the OS at a deep enough level" to add most of those features to Windows MCE, I'm sure there are already programs out there that would do just that. - Flamekebab, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7To be honest, it's something I hate about cabling up my TV to my laptop, it's too much hassle. If I can get something like this running I will be a happy thing.
- Fordi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6You know what's funny about that? If Microsoft did it, it would be considered 'marketing'.
- nukem996, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7tenoq: I'm not sure about MythTV but the ATI Radeon 7500 is very well supported. Its from when ATI gave docs to the Linux community to let them write open source drivers. I have one on my IBM Thinkpad T40 with Beryl and it looks great. As for output you could just tell your Xorg conf file(theres probably a GUI way to do it but I like config files) to output differently.
- kefler, on 10/12/2007, -5/+11Yeah.. but at the end he claims MCE is $400 (price for Vista ultimate) however he is using MCE2005 for his comparison... Since Linux MCE is free why does he have to distort the truth to do the comparison...
I wonder if this guy has any friends at all, I wanted to punch him after 2 minutes. - bnajbert, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7I have the same problem, apparently myth is great as long as you don't plan on using the newest hardware or anything by ATi because the driver support simply doesn't exist.
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