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- Skiessi, on 05/02/2009, -1/+45Linux?
- xGORDOx, on 05/02/2009, -7/+39Under the Bush Admin - Censorship
Under the Obama Admin - Law Enforcement
Am I right Digg? Huh, am I right? - greenx, on 05/02/2009, -3/+22When I read this article I was shocked. This is outrageous conduct. Is the the beginning of the end for freedom? Next we will all be stamped with a bio tag.
- thawkth, on 05/02/2009, -1/+18Sir, I'd like to ask you a very sincere question:
Why are you so angry at someone who's only sin in your eyes is to worry about their, and by extention your, freedoms?
This is something that has truly frightened and concerned me. Rejoice if he's wrong! Be grateful and kiss the still free soil you walk on.
If we 'idiots' are right, however, you're going to be asking yourself why you didn't listen and lend your voice to ours in demanding the progression of tyranny be stopped back when it was still possible.
It's fine to agree. We live in a (still somewhat) free nation and perhaps someday we will see a free world. Our nation is one based upon a rule of law, not men, and therefore no men should be higher than the rule that is the highest in the land - the constitution.
Those of us shouting warnings from the rooftop do so because we understand, as the founding fathers did, that their is a slippery and inescapable slope toward tyranny. Those who have studied history and current events cannot help but realize that we are less free than we were several decades ago and things are only getting worse.
The patriot act is an act of tyranny. Try to deny this. It may (though I deny this) have made a few people safer in the short run - but has placed our liberty in all the more peril.
Warrantless wiretapping, for profit prisons, corporate state, lack of privacy, erosion of the Bill of Rights - all within the past few decades - have proved that there are those who value control and stability more than risk freedom and liberty. This is not the same nation you were taught about in history and civics class. Our government is no longer by and for the people.
Open your eyes, look, learn, and listen. Stop being so afraid and get your head out of the sand. I know it's scary. It's terrifying beyond anything I've ever had to learn and accept. Once you do, however, you'll understand that your fear has a purpose and should be a motivating factor.
I may disagree with you, but I will risk being put on a watch list, arrested without charge, or called crazy to defend that right with everything I have until my very last breath. That sir is what separates you and I. You call me an idiot, I say you have yet to see the truth but I will not disrespect you. I will fight for you.
"We hold these Truths to be self evident that all men are created equal, and are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights."
To those who would listen and agree I offer you the rallying cry of Thomas Paine:
* "O ye that love mankind! Ye that dare oppose, not only the tyranny, but the tyrant, stand forth! Every spot of the old world is overrun with oppression. Freedom hath been hunted round the globe. Asia, and Africa, have long expelled her--Europe regards her like a stranger, and England hath given her warning to depart. O! receive the fugitive, and prepare in time an asylum for mankind."
These words ring true today, do they not? - Seta, on 05/02/2009, -1/+18...I love how you're the only one pointing this out. I've seen things put in the wrong category before but to put Linux in the title and post it in the Linux section when the article isn't about Linux at all... come on now.
- rolf, on 05/02/2009, -3/+18Go ***** yourself, fezzasus.
- blackturtleus, on 05/02/2009, -3/+18The problem here is that the state presumes to know what we should and should not have access to. It's like we're all children who can't be trusted to decide for ourselves what we find interesting or useful in some way. Personally, I don't know anyone that I consider to know what I should have access to any better than myself! No Thanks To The Nanny State!!!
- Khast, on 05/02/2009, -0/+15Censorship is a ██████████.
- rolf, on 05/02/2009, -1/+13I wish those things came with a sliding plastic cover or something.
- aguita, on 05/02/2009, -4/+16That is just stupid, and you're making the situation even worse. Here is why:
Do you close the door when you take a crap? You apparently have something to hide. - theonlywizdum, on 05/02/2009, -1/+13But who determines what should be censored?
- redgiemental, on 05/02/2009, -0/+11Almost every single time a law is passed that grants broader application than the original stated goal is later used in as broad a fashion as possible.
It is almost inevitable that a government or any group in power will use any powers they do have as much as they can . - rezashojaei, on 05/02/2009, -0/+11I lived in Iran, so let me tell you something:
about 5 years ago there were no Internet Filtering in Iran. A real free internet. However, after while government and government control media start to talk about pornography in Internet and how they gonna hurt family and children and we should save our children from them. And you know people are conservative there, so almost every body were agree. No body talked about political website. However, when they start buying filtering equipment and pushing ISPs to install equipment to filter porns, it never stops there. My point is having equipment facilities for censorship gives an ability to abuse people rights to government agencies or even private entities. They've spent lots of money on it and they are going to use it. One more thing is when you pass the first law to censor content, you are creating a foundation for future laws to limit people.
In my opinion, even things like child pron should not be the reason for censorship. after all if there is a URl out there that is selling child porn shouldn't we go and save the abused kids. It like somebody is raping his victim, and we say ohh people this is very bad for you to so, so we are covering them till this guy is done!!
Also, regarding tax complexity. firt of all government does not have the right to limit people freedom for making money. However, such a concern must be followed through organizations like world trade org to create a process for tax holding and sharing tax information between countries. - synapz, on 05/02/2009, -1/+11The Really Hilarious Part(tm) is that the government itself cannot be composed of anything other than the very children it tries to discipline.
It's like a huge, tragically real replica of The Lord of the Flies. - murx, on 05/02/2009, -4/+13Yes, and censorship (as broad as possible) is a very useful, a tried and true tool to fight child pornography, rape and torture.
Yep, it would be very wise to censor anything regarding esp. torture in gouvermental documents it seems....
Do you think, just because you censor it it will go away?
Go stick your head under your pillow, I'm sure the monsters will go away... - inactive, on 05/02/2009, -1/+10Your cell phone's camera as well as microphone can be activated without your knowledge. Has your battery been draining lately, this is one sign that your phone is being used for things beyond your knowledge.
Under Windows, since NO ONE knows what the OS is doing, it is possible that your camera and microphone can also be activated without your knowledge...having excessive network activity? That may be a sign.
Open source prevents (by knowledge of the underlying code) most of these things as YOU are in control of your software. - DangerCollie, on 05/02/2009, -0/+9The march of technology. Whenever regulation, eavesdropping and oversight gets serious enough, geeks will find a new place to congregate. Back in the day that new place was the internet. Until AOL came along. O-M-G. I remember this sudden rush of total CAPS LOCK n00bs. Some servers actually blocked AOL users.
Sooner or later, the tech illuminate will find a new connection media. Self-discovering networks, satellite, some kind of private networking protocol....something. And it will be really cool until it gets commercialized, then opened up to public access, then it'll get politicized. I've seen this pattern twice in my life and it's happened with every media we use to communicate. - Jascol, on 05/02/2009, -2/+10I think I might cover over my integrated laptop webcam. They might be watching me already
- JosedeNoche, on 05/02/2009, -0/+8the worst thing of all the issue, that maybe where are gonna allow it, without noticing it...just lets keep our eyes open
- HAL90000, on 05/02/2009, -1/+9There's nothing inherently wrong with viewing any of the aforementioned materials. It's the acts that are wrong, not the thoughts. Lest you forget that no thought is a crime.
Censorship is all about thought crimes, and that's why it's wrong. - wiretapped, on 05/02/2009, -0/+7The capability to watch you via web cam is there, thats all I know.
- thawkth, on 05/02/2009, -0/+7The price of liberty is eternal vigilance.
- HAL90000, on 05/02/2009, -2/+9No, we just dislike *****.
- zip000, on 05/02/2009, -0/+7I often cover mine up. I'm sure no one is watching, but still, it makes me uncomfortable.
- xedd, on 05/02/2009, -0/+7That information will be censored.
- thawkth, on 05/02/2009, -0/+6They probably posted it because it's listed on Linux Journal.
I'd surmise though that Linux might be more secure from such things (open source, code audits, etc)
Heck, strip out the kernel sources for your webcam if you don't use it. It's easy to make sure things WON'T work in Linux ;) - Dumbledorito, on 05/02/2009, -2/+8"After all, most PCs now come with web cams and certainly 90% of cell phones."
Quick! Someone invent the "plastic cover" or "electrical tape" for the laptops and an unplugging device for USB cams!
And if the NSA wants to "tap" my cell phone camera, they'll get pictures of whatever is to the left or right of my head, my pocket, or the top of my dresser. I hope they are of sufficient artistic merit.
Hmmm... here's a hacking project for someone out there. Say there IS a secret NSA "tap into a cell phone" function. It shouldn't be too hard to find, if it's a universal thing. I presume that the traffic from such activities is "secret" and doesn't show up on one's phone bill (unless the NSA really IS that stupid). Couldn't one theoretically tap into whatever keeps that off one's bill and get free service? - FKnight, on 05/02/2009, -0/+6The government doesn't need to put secret software in Windows to turn your camera on (which, would light up a bright LED on your camera anyway), or put Internet monitoring software on your computer -- nor do they need to secretly turn on your camera phone or camera mouthpiece to track what you're doing.
You're all posting your own pictures on twitpic and twittering every time you take a ***** already. If anyone knows what you're doing, it's because you're announcing it to the world. - synapz, on 05/02/2009, -0/+6Oh, darn, that IS a problem. Less money for the government to spend on itself and pass off to its cronies.
Taxes are wasted funds, plain and simple. - Rudegar, on 05/02/2009, -0/+5when my webcam operates it light up
when my webcam operates it required access to ports i normally block
hhmmm unless thats just what they want me to believe!
covers laptop in tinfoil - redgiemental, on 05/02/2009, -0/+5Perhaps it would be easier to stop and protect a medium than starting all over again?
- WorldGroove, on 05/02/2009, -1/+5@fezzasus
What?
obtrude on your privacy = limits what you can do in private - FKnight, on 05/02/2009, -1/+5I'm curious -- did the government also force every single webcam manufacturer to make it so their cameras turn on without the little "camera is active" LED when used by the "Evil Government" ?
- 8FoldPath, on 05/02/2009, -0/+3Some of you are driving up the price of tinfoil.
- thawkth, on 05/02/2009, -0/+3That would require a critical mass of outspoken support and peaceful disobedience happen rather soon. Unfortunately the masses are...busy?
Ignorant?
Afraid?
Everyone is in a constant state of fear, existing in a constant state of doublethink. The government is simultaneously your bumbling alcoholic uncle, your loving sweet mother who will teach and take care of you, and your abusive father.
Maybe we're psychologically damaged by it? - midnightliberty, on 05/02/2009, -4/+7This is the nature of all governments everywhere, and at all points in history. The institution is the problem. The institution corrupts and/or attracts corrupt individuals to run it. The only question is the degree to which it is corrupt.
Google "Democracy: The God That Failed." - inactive, on 05/02/2009, -1/+4HAL9000 Said it best already, but Censorship is ALWAYS wrong. Unpleasant things exist, it's not the government's job to tell you not too look at them.
- SpeedyG, on 05/02/2009, -3/+6Because nobody tech savvy could possibly ever notice a significant drain on the power resources of a laptop or cell phone as a result of the webcam surreptitiously being left on.
If you're going to soapbox, at least make sure your premises are better than "hey, look how many cameras there are in the world now!" and "hey, look at this instance of a vaguely written directive in one state!" - vinod1978, on 05/02/2009, -0/+3that was clever :)
- vinod1978, on 05/02/2009, -0/+3@fezzasus - You are indeed a moron. Censorship is wrong, no matter the reason. It should be up to the individual to decide what is right and wrong for him or her to see. Why is the government making decisions on what is acceptable? Are you telling me that the government is better at determining what is right for you then your own brain? Not to mention that most of these censorship issues are backed by the Christian Right - an organization that wants to base all laws on the Christian doctrine - like teaching that evolution is not real.
Wake up - you should be in charge of your own life, not your government. - midnightliberty, on 05/02/2009, -1/+4This is a ridiculous argument. Currently, there are PRIVATE censorship systems that work fine in schools, libraries, workplaces, etc. to block graphic material. These mechanisms work just fine, because they are PRIVATE. If the PRIVATE internet filter system started blocking political sites or gambling sites, then people could cancel their subscription.
It is ludicrous to say that we need a PUBLIC censorship system that no one can opt out of. It is only a matter of time until the state begins to block sites that are a perceived threat to their interests and that challenge their legitimacy. - SuperMoses, on 05/02/2009, -1/+4Back to the 60s:
Person #1: The CIA used me as an experiment on mind control. They drugged me with LSD without my knowledge, attempted hypnosis, etc
Person #2: LOL, paranoid idiot.
Reality: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MKULTRA - censormagnet, on 05/02/2009, -1/+3why is it legal to block access to sites for legal activity?
also did you all know that the fbi can listen in on your cellphones even when they arent on a call? ever wonder why some days your battery dies in a fraction of the time and distorts your computer monitor even when your not talking on it... - synapz, on 05/04/2009, -0/+2As far as roads go, consume this: http://www.mises.org/store/Privatization-of-Roads- ...
As far as police go, they show up after the crime has been committed. - volcompimp, on 05/02/2009, -0/+2"most" pc's don't come w/ web cams, huge over statement. Even
claiming most laptops do would be too, a lot do but not most. - harlowsmonkeys, on 05/02/2009, -2/+4What's this have to do with Linux/Unix?
- xGORDOx, on 05/02/2009, -0/+2Well, I'll admit it, my comment was really a comment on Digg itself and not the article.
- FKnight, on 05/02/2009, -1/+3" ever wonder why some days your battery dies in a fraction of the time and distorts your computer monitor even when your not talking on it..."
No, because that's never happened. - Travelsonic, on 05/02/2009, -0/+2"Quite frankly, if you are complaining about censorship of the most derestricted media in the world, you've got something to hide."
Even more frankly: You are a dumbass.
PRIVACY is about hiding something - not [solely] because it is nefarious, but maybe it isn't, but just embarrasing, or maybe security related, or even more relevantly, none of your ***** business.
If you can't grasp that simple concept, that EVERYBODY, even you have "something to hide," as the natural concept of privacy functions that way, god help us all if you ever try to govern us in any way. - vinod1978, on 05/02/2009, -0/+2"The problem isn't that I'm paranoid - the problem is that I'm not paranoid enough."
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