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- Nephersir7, on 05/17/2009, -1/+24Maybe that has something to do with the fact that they both use the same desktop environment
- deathfix, on 05/17/2009, -0/+15Many users of Fedora have a staunch dislike for Mono apps, so I doubt that Banshee will replace Rhythmbox any time soon.
- FapCommander, on 05/17/2009, -2/+16That was fixed a while ago, get with the times
- abbathdoom, on 05/17/2009, -1/+15I hope Mark Shuttleworth wasn't ***** us when he said Ubuntu was gunna drop the brown for 9.10, every time I look at a release of Fedora I'm jealous of the classy looking desktop relative to the poop Ubuntu ships.
- m6arate, on 05/17/2009, -3/+15yeah blue hat
- ZylogZ80, on 05/17/2009, -2/+13Been running F11 as my main OS since it the Beta dropped. By far my favorite OS.
- bushnoh, on 05/17/2009, -1/+9Not quite sure how you would show that with a screen shot. Plus, using F10 since release I am still yet to experience this *hell* you speak of.
- FapCommander, on 05/17/2009, -5/+13That's not universal, that's distro specific
- sirhomer, on 05/17/2009, -2/+9Agreed. It looks better.
- mikelieman, on 05/17/2009, -1/+8Does Installshield ( which I guess is the "Universal Installer" for Windows ) allow you to query online repositories with thousands of free applications, which it then can download and install?
Both YUM and apt do that quite nicely, btw.
And who cares if the "Installer" is "Universal"? What does a "Universal Installer" feature which would make it preferable to a "Galaxy Specific Installer" or some other software? - schplat, on 05/17/2009, -5/+11You mean like yum for redhat based? apt for debian based? emerge for gentoo based, etc?
Then yes. For quite a while now. - paulringo, on 05/17/2009, -4/+9Sugar looks sweet.
- cmost, on 05/17/2009, -2/+6Fedora is heads and shoulders ahead of Ubuntu in terms of bleeding edge, features, polish, and power. Ubuntu is sort of like what Linux would be if Fisher-Price put out a Linux distribution. I'm not knocking Ubuntu (using it now) just saying it targets a different audience than Fedora. Nevertheless, Fedora remains wholy accessible to newbies.
- n0ia, on 05/17/2009, -0/+4You can install different distros' package management applications in other distros. Though the packages probably aren't as up-to-date as they are with that specific distros package management.
I don't see any problem with having package management separate for distros.
If you really want universal, just download the source and compile it yourself. - marnaq, on 05/17/2009, -0/+4Indeed. Just look at Pulseaudio. Ubuntu still can't get it right.
- greenx, on 05/17/2009, -2/+6Have you ever really thought about why I put Linux : In the heading? Why don't you give it some serious thought and get back to me.
- FapCommander, on 05/17/2009, -3/+7Fedora is at least a year ahead of ubuntu, plus Fedora's implementation of KDE doesn't suck balls like kubuntu
- Wargasmic, on 05/18/2009, -1/+4Lol, how long have you been using Linux, IDcool? A few months? Linux has been around forever.
- SteveMax, on 05/17/2009, -0/+3Well, it's a Linux distro, not OpenBSD... And it's "Masturbating Monkeys".
http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/706950 - Hermmunster, on 05/18/2009, -0/+3Even the basic gnome and kde 4.2.2 desktops look better than 95. KDE looks better than Vista as it was designed before Vista came out. I love how people claim Linux is using Microsoft's trash can icon when Microsoft took it mostly from Linux.
I've heard it said a few times over that KDE looks like Vista or Win7, but these folks have selective memories. KDE was being implemented and polished in this fashion before Vista. Compiz/Beryl with the 3d effects was implemented before we had Vista on the desktop. Sort of sad if you ask me. - bushnoh, on 05/17/2009, -0/+3And why is that? I never understand why people invoke such rivalry between distros. They're all working on the same projects and all pushing changes upstream for every other distro to gain from. They are all working towards a goal *together*. Just take whatever suits you preference. 99% of the distros are the same anyway. Their defaults are just a little different.
- YourNameHere1, on 05/18/2009, -0/+3Not every Linux OS has "Synaptic" as their package manager.
Personally I prefer Archlinux's "Pacman" package manager to the debian based Operating Systems that use the "Synaptic" package manager.
The most universal way to install any program in Linux is to build it your self and use a manual command to install it. - Gman1223, on 05/17/2009, -2/+5"“Fedora Junkies” almost always use the rawhide repositories. The Rawhide repositories is a game where the Fedora developers see how many broken packages they can send as updates in a 24 hour period. The current record is 285GB worth of updates."
- ronmexico, on 05/18/2009, -1/+4They were at the beginning stage ten years ago.
- YourNameHere1, on 05/17/2009, -3/+6Yes.
./configure and make - marnaq, on 05/17/2009, -3/+6Why would you want a "universal installer"?
System -> Administration -> Add/remove software. There's your installer. - limbclock, on 05/18/2009, -0/+2I dunno, Rhythmbox is a bare bones, lightweight music player. I like it, and i don't think that it needs to be replaced as banshee, which to me seems like Rhythmbox - Extended
- motang, on 05/17/2009, -7/+9So when in Rhythmbox going to be replaced with Banshee? Banshee is much better music player IMO.
- jpgr87, on 05/17/2009, -0/+2Banshee is in the yum repositorities, it's not hard to install it and delete rhythmbox.
- inactive, on 05/17/2009, -0/+2 Yeah F11 rocks for sure!
- javaroast, on 05/18/2009, -0/+2It's even more shocking that you can't even give 1 solid technical reason as to why you believe that. The difference these days is not so great.
- midtown, on 05/19/2009, -0/+2Banshee can't even watch a folder. All I want to do is tell a music player my music is in ~/Music, and be done with managing it forever. Rhythmbox does that perfectly.
- inactive, on 05/18/2009, -0/+2I know you've been told this before, but here is a reminder. Defaults matter! They always have, and they always will. Write it down on some flash cards. Tape a post-it note to your bathroom mirror. Put it on a T-Shirt if you want, but DO learn it.
Defaults matter. You can learn, but you have to want to learn. I promise, it's worth it. - rpgmakr, on 05/18/2009, -0/+2Banshee consume waaay too much RAM. I prefer rhythmbox. I hope ubuntu sticks with rhythmbox for now.
- Hermmunster, on 05/18/2009, -1/+2Linux's installer consists of a GUI front end to Apt. This ties to one or more repositories. Installing a program is extremely simple. You find what you want, click to mark it, click to apply and it downloads and installs for you.
There are universal type installers but I think the Linux community has proven it isn't necessary with the utter ease of use installation that Apt brings with NO requirement to be at the command prompt ever to get these things installed. - Hermmunster, on 05/18/2009, -1/+2It takes very little effort to change from the ***** brown to something more attractive in gnome and it is even easier in KDE. You need not wait on Mark Shuttleworth. His team is working hard but they have a lot of hard work to do before they get to the real changes needed in order to bring beauty to the Ubuntu interface. You can do much of it now yourself. KDE is very close to having it all and in a few more releases that thing is going to really shine.
- custangro, on 05/18/2009, -0/+1Fedora has been getting better and better since 9...
Hopefully this release will continue the tradition. :-)
-C - NebCanuck, on 05/18/2009, -0/+1Seeing as the mainstream likely has no idea that Linux doesn't have a universal installer for applications...
- dragossh, on 05/17/2009, -2/+3@marnaq: Because packagers don't have to duplicate efforts and I shouldn't have to choose between a big list of packages if I download things that are not in the repository.
- computershack, on 05/17/2009, -5/+6Since when has 3 been universal?
- MindTrip51, on 05/18/2009, -0/+1Ahh i've been waiting for the 11 release forever. It's going to be so much better than 10.
- DreadKnight, on 05/17/2009, -0/+1It's more likely you'll convert to KDE4 before that will happen.
- inactive, on 05/19/2009, -0/+1I think they typically employ the term "official release", not "broken packages".
*shrug* - mikelieman, on 05/17/2009, -2/+3What are you downloading which is in a package, but isn't in a repo, which you're not going to .configure && make && sudo make install ???
And I can sort of imagine a vendor giving you a rpm or deb, but then you'd just rpm -ivh package.rpm .. ( or debian equivalent... ) and picking 'which package' isn't an issue.. - Almightymole, on 05/17/2009, -0/+1No it was my fault, obviously. I shouldn't of been so fat, seeing as it was in a backpack. I decided to wait for this release for my new laptop.
- Hermmunster, on 05/18/2009, -0/+1It's probably inappropriate of you to spout about issues that were at play 2 years ago without taking the time first to reexamine the Linux world currently. There hasn't been a dependence hell issue for the past 2 years (going on 3).
If you honestly believed it before stating so, then it's an honest mistake you made. If you honestly chose not to address it by looking for yourself then shame on you for trying to give it undeserved disfavor. - inactive, on 05/19/2009, -0/+1Well, apparently fedoraproject.org did as they took a bunch of screenshots.
- inactive, on 05/18/2009, -0/+1Balance in life, with Digg? Get a grip. This is a half-ass news website, not a lifestyle or some great adventure. You obviously take it a little too seriously.
But since you are so dedicated to your "work", here's some advice. Using "Linux:" in the heading says to everyone else, "Look at me! I'm a whore that needs attention from the front page!" On behalf of everyone else, grow the ***** up. - Hermmunster, on 05/18/2009, -0/+1That's the default theme from KDE with a different wallpaper.
- Hermmunster, on 05/18/2009, -1/+2People dugg you down and I can understand their thoughts, but they are misguided. You are right. Those were my thoughts as well. My feeling is that this is nothing new. Still the old installer and it's just gnome or kde. The KDE isn't even laid out impressively and for the life of me I can't understand the yellow note taker plasmoid. It is just beyond my ability to reason that anyone is still using that and putting it front and center when trying to sell us on any distro. It's just not a necessary program. Looking at the other applets they are just junk also. There are some nice desktops made from kde 4.2.2. These guys could have done a better job at trying to show what can be done by mimicing those.
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