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- lemur, on 03/16/2009, -0/+18I hope this 20 second boot is all it's cracked up to be. Years ago I customized a FreeBSD install to get it to boot as fast as possible (smaller kernel, fewest startup services, etc). The total time it took to get to the desktop was about 45 seconds then.
The thing that always appealed to me about Unix startup was that by the time you see the login, the system is -done- loading, and by done I mean totally finished. It wasn't like how Windows was where the desktop would show up and then the system would continue to load for an additional 5 minutes.
What worries me is that Fedora might try to make the login screen come up sooner when in reality the system is still loading in the background. For the sake of system speed I can wait a little longer for my login screen. - HanClinto, on 03/16/2009, -1/+19Fedora is cool for power users who require the bleeding edge. I digg simply because I would like to see the Linux user base grow to make it a more viable, mainstream, OS solution.
- ferrisnox, on 03/16/2009, -1/+17I like Fedora it has a lot going for it.
- jostheller, on 03/16/2009, -0/+9Dugg for Fedora.
Fedora has given me a long history computer compatibility. I like installing an OS and not having to debug why a specific device failed to be recognized. No other distro (including Ubuntu) has ever been as user friendly on device recognition in my personal experience. Perhaps I have a knack at building fedora friendly computers without knowing it. - mooninite, on 03/16/2009, -0/+7There's this great thing called MinGW. Minimal GNU for Windows. It provides a GCC compiler and friends for generating a Windows executable binary. Fedora is packaging the MinGW tools so that you can use them inside of Fedora to generate an .EXE or a .DLL file.
Not all programs can be compiled without patching. There are some POSIX/UNIX technologies that Windows does not have and MinGW does not provide. Example: user IDs and group IDs. Non-existent in Windows (from a Unix perspective of it). However, there are lots of programs that are capable of being cross-compiled and are even being compiled this way right now. Pidgin and Ekiga are good examples. Heck, I even compiled Ekiga for Windows in Fedora 10 since F10 already has the mingw packages. I became the new quasi-maintainer of Ekiga for Windows this way. It's just an official feature started with Fedora 11.
There is a script that the Red Hat guy behind the Fedora package has made to scan a Linux binary and tell you how well it would cross-compile. This helps in finding out if it could be built or not and what it would take to compile it for Windows. - lowtolerance, on 03/16/2009, -2/+7Fedora is not a power user distro by any stretch of the imagination.
- Krissam, on 03/16/2009, -0/+5submitted by
greenx 10 hr 25 min ago - SpeedSteamBoat, on 03/16/2009, -1/+6Sleep and hibernate work beautifully for me in Fedora 10.
A fast-boot time is still nice, though. Obviously some people value it, or it wouldn't be worked on. That's the beauty of open source.
I guess I just don't get what your complaint is exactly. - lowtolerance, on 03/16/2009, -0/+5Looks like a pretty nice update. Anyone have any experience using the Nouveau driver?
- dannyfreeman, on 03/16/2009, -0/+5I'd like to know more about this Windows Cross Complier
- RaulMuadDib, on 03/16/2009, -0/+4I wish you would blend.
- Krissam, on 03/16/2009, -1/+5http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/9683/diggmeaw0. ...
- Krissam, on 03/16/2009, -0/+3From what i could pick up through reading through it real quick, it's based on minggw (which i believe is a windows port of gcc)
- XeroXenith, on 03/16/2009, -2/+5Depends how you define it. You might think of "power user" distros as like Gentoo or Slackware, but Linus himself uses Fedora and I'm pretty sure he's a power user.
- mobling, on 03/16/2009, -0/+3The cross compiler is interesting. Well provided there are any companies willing to release their code to be compiled.
- shwerm601, on 03/16/2009, -0/+3Good to see Fedora at it again... considering I just installed 10 in what november or december it was? Can't wait to upgrade...!
- o76923, on 03/16/2009, -0/+2I'm looking forward to using PCI devices in virtual machines.
- haterofps3, on 03/16/2009, -0/+2Just so I understand Linux Only apps can be compiled to run on windows?
- Sammi84, on 03/16/2009, -0/+2I've been a devoted Ubuntu user for 5 years, and suspend/resume has never worked like it should on any laptop I've tried putting Ubuntu on. And I've tried a few, also recently.
It used to be that wireless that was my strongest hardware support caveat about Linux, but that has mostly been sorted now. Suspend/resume is as annoying as ever though. - Philluminati, on 03/17/2009, -0/+2Agreed. Fedora loves the word "freedom" so they don't put add MP3 support and similar stuff to the distro but once you get beyond that difference, it's very similar in goals to Ubuntu. Just coming off a different branch.
@XeroXenith
I'm not entirely sure Linus considers himself a power user. He only concentrates on one part of the OS. I think he has fedora installed for his wife? In any case, whether Linus is a power user or not, every OS has power users. - phpirate, on 03/16/2009, -2/+4I hear that. I wonder why there's such a lack of any good tech articles, did all the real digg techies go to reddit or something?
Especially when there's all of a sudden all these pro windows vista articles with comments saying "ITS FINE NOW BUY PLZ", which no real techie would ever say. - mock, on 03/16/2009, -0/+2i'm looking forward to the 20-sec boot time too.
- SteveMax, on 03/16/2009, -0/+2ioniced, not iconized. ionice allows you to specify the priority of the I/O operations of a given process. In this case, I mean that the services should run on "idle" IO priority, meaning that they will only access the disk when no other process wants to. This (together with the high nice value) will keep the desktop lag to a minimum.
man ionice for more information. - shwerm601, on 03/16/2009, -0/+2although no explicit answer fedora does have a page about this feature... https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/20SecondSt ...
another good discussion on the topic: http://www.harald-hoyer.de/personal/blog/20_Second ... - Philluminati, on 03/17/2009, -0/+2The odd releases? They release consistently every 6 months. They've never been "notoriously *****" either.
- lynx44, on 03/16/2009, -0/+2I can see some advantages in smaller applications (maybe an embedded system or a carputer), but overall I agree.
- shwerm601, on 03/16/2009, -0/+2notoriously?
- oobuntu, on 03/16/2009, -0/+1maybe not, but suse are testing theirs with an atom processor: http://en.opensuse.org/Boottime/Boot_time#Hardware
- SteveMax, on 03/16/2009, -0/+1If the rest of the services load up under a niced and ioniced environment, there should be no problem in using the system while they load.
- ruphus13, on 03/16/2009, -0/+1It's interesting that a lot of netbooks are using Linux as part of their initial 'fast-boot' feature, so they don't have to load a whole bunch of bloatware when the user just wants to open the netbook and do a quick task. If you can parse out the boot process into just loading the screen, basic i/o and the network stack, there is no reason why it cannot boot fast, and then 'fault in' the other components. Try doing THAT in windows!
- sinkhead, on 03/16/2009, -0/+1WILL he blend? That is the question!
- Ttech2, on 03/16/2009, -0/+1Isn't this in general? I want my operating system to boot and login fast?
- solracarevir, on 03/16/2009, -0/+1The 20 Seconds Boot is even on Old Hardware? Will it work on a 3 years old Laptop?
- secrity, on 03/16/2009, -0/+1Few, if any, applications are Linux Only.
CERTAIN applications that were written to run under Linux/UNIX MAY be able to be compiled to run on Windows. Apache, OpenNMAP, and GIMP have been compiled to run on Windows. - dekacy10, on 03/18/2009, -0/+1I though that list would never end!
Lots of new features!
Thats why i love Fedora.
I can't wait for the 1st RC of F11 - dxxvi, on 03/16/2009, -0/+1Based on what did they give that 20sec threshold?
- RandaII, on 03/18/2009, -0/+1when was the last time you used yum? apparently a long ass time. My option that yum is better then apt-get.
- computershack, on 03/16/2009, -1/+2My complaint is that too much time is spent on trying to slash boot up and shutdown times instead of getting hibernate/sleep/suspend sorted which would negate the need to shutdown/start up from cold to a level where 10-20 seconds more is an issue.
- Gauthic, on 03/16/2009, -2/+2Services should never start or run iconized, they should start and run in the background never to be seen by the desktop user (unless you go to a service manager gui).
- Corbbz, on 03/25/2009, -0/+0O so many nice things ~ IBus, better fingerprint system and PA volume control integration. yay!
- Norumeni, on 03/16/2009, -2/+2MrBabyMan had nothing to do with this...
- dekacy10, on 03/18/2009, -0/+0Yum ID better than apt and all the other rpm package managers (Suse's zyppher for example).
The only packagemanager-related disadvantage of Fedora is the poor 3rd party repositories. - Philluminati, on 03/17/2009, -1/+1In Fedora 10 they aimed for a 30 second theshold. I guess they just shaved off 10 seconds and set that as a new target. If this trend continues I can't wait to install Fedora 13!
- lowtolerance, on 03/16/2009, -4/+3If Linus used Ubuntu, he'd still be a power user. The point is, some distros are aimed at advanced users. Fedora is not.
- Cupantae, on 03/16/2009, -3/+220 second boot... That's nice. Nice is about all I can say for it. I used to try to get that down as low as possible with Arch Linux (14s was my best - to xfce) but it really doesn't matter that much to me.
The other features sound very nice, though. KDE4.2 shows promise; I've got a soft spot for xfce and 4.6 is excellent; the dialogues for mimes and fonts are long overdue in Ubuntu. Implement them tomorrow, please.
I'd like to hear how they came up with 90% finished the 20s startup - so how long does it take now? 18s? - DiggOrNotToDigg, on 03/16/2009, -2/+1Cross compiler sounds great. But visual studio is really strong and easy to use. Its debugger might be the best so far. I wonder if it comes any close to it.
- Stiffler, on 03/16/2009, -2/+1Do you really reboot your machine that much? I see time spent optimizing startup/shutdown to be time wasted. I'd much rather see that time put to optimizing the actual operation of the system. Unless you're sitting there constantly rebooting your machine instead of using it, this seems kind of like a waste.
- inactive, on 03/17/2009, -5/+2yum sux
- computershack, on 03/16/2009, -7/+4FFS...
If power management worked properly, nobody would give a ***** about shutdown and startup times because they'd simply use sleep or hibernate. On my lappy running Vista, I close the lid and it goes into sleep and after 4hrs in sleep on battery, it hibernates it. I could just leave it on sleep instead as it only uses a few percent of the battery left on overnight The last time I needed to boot it was when Windows Update required it.
I've also done the same with Ubuntu as well although one niggle is that it applies a per-user setting rather than a global one and it's a PITA having to set power management preferences individually although I fully accept that this might not be the case and it's just that I dont' know enough to do it globally. - adml_shake, on 03/16/2009, -7/+4I don't understand why so many people can't wrap their head around the fact that as a geek/tech junkie I'm ALSO a sports fan.
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