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- tophfisher, on 10/12/2007, -0/+21Um... Maya runs on Linux...
From their own site:
"Maya is the only full-function 3D animation software to run on 32-bit Windows®, Linux®, and Mac OS® X and 64-bit Windows and Linux." - daemonical, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14Lol Maya is a Unix application ported to Windows :D
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15To a lot of people (self included) GIMP is a total mess. The UI is designed by nerds for nerds.
- cliffzdude, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12"Inaccurate.
/buried"
Usually I hate such comments, but to call this a "fix" to the lack of PhotoShop on .nix platforms is perilous at best, outright pushing the boundaries of ***** is more like it...
I won't vote to bury it though, it'll bring out the 'nix fanboys and the Win fanboys, so there'll be some fun here... - handband2, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10http://www.kanzelsberger.com/pixel/
- jefftj86, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Maya has been on Unix since day 1. The original version of maya ran on Irix which was used in the SGI Workstations. SGI is the original creator of Maya (Alias Wavefront was the company they sold it under) and back in those days there was a Irix version of Photoshop as well. Other applications that run on Windows/Linux are Softimage XSI and Houdini.
Please visit http://www.kanzelsberger.com for the demo! Its amazing product just needs more users and exposure! - scratched, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7This is not photoshop though. That IS the unix photoshop problem. Photoshop is what people know, so just making another equal program for linux will not solve the problem. Look at the GIMP, it's a full featured image editor, almost as powerful as photoshop, but it hasn't helped people move to linux because it is non-intuitive (especially to photoshop folks).
This just causes another problem: learning another image editor's interface. - greyfade, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Blender is, quite simply, an incredible tool in the hands of a talented artist. it doesn't have the industry clout of Maya (most popular in animated movies and some major games) or Lightwave (used a lot in short projects like commercials and live/3D compositing, among many other areas), but Blender certainly is a contender. frankly, it amazes me that more 3D animators don't use Unix or Linux.
- thewump, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5This topic is incomplete without mention of http://www.xaraxtreme.org - an opensource version of Xara - an Adobe Illustrator slayer.
- cdlavalle, on 10/12/2007, -0/+53dsmax might be what you are thinking of. The founder had some beef with Steve Jobs so he swore never to let his product run on Mac so he concentrated on Windows which, unfortunaetly,also meant he left *nix nout of the mix. Now that Autodesk owns it I have been hoping that will change. Oh well, there is always blender :D
- armbar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Unpopular submitters get frontpaged more quickly.
- transeunte, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4The software looks great, but what's up with sensationalist title?
- serpicolugnut, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I've used Pixel. It's nice, and it's evolving. It's not quite at the level that I could use it instead of Photoshop, but as I said, it is evolving. It is incredibly more useful than the GIMP.
But the problem remains, *NIX needs Photoshop. Not some hacked together wanna be. Real, honest-to-goodness-straight-from-Adobe Photoshop. You can't be a design/multimedia platform without it. - deathguppie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I use Gimp all the time. Having said that, there are some things about the Gimp that are very annoying that have nothing to do with the interface. Like resizing. You can't past an image into another and then scale it down without having look really crappy. In order for me to scale images down I actually have to use Krita (kde Office app) to scale the image before I can use it in Gimp. It's lack of true CYMK support and low quality of images in general make it really difficult to work around the other problems.
I love Gimp and will probably use it until something better comes out, but after waiting for years for some of the most basic problems to be worked out I just don't see it happening. - BigBadger, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Dugg upon reading that Pixel Beta 7 will finally be introducing tablet pressure sensitivity. Hope it comes out soon.
- scratched, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I only made one point: that since Photoshop is not on linux, there still is a Linux Photoshop problem.
Having another image editor for linux does not change the fact that photoshop still isn't on linux.
I understand that the learning curve for GIMP is because of photoshop (I've used GIMPshop, and it doesn't pass as a photoshop interface clone since all that was changed was the layout of the features not the features themselves). I use GIMP and I've seen Pixel, but my point is that it isn't photoshop, and that's the real problem. To move the demographic that does graphic design/image editing in photshop towards linux, you need to offer *Photoshop* in linux, not "a program like Photoshop in many ways"
I love linux, I use it 95% of the time, but to say that the Photoshop problem is "solved" is untrue.
I also just noticed... this article's heading is misleading. Mac OSX is Unix based (a variant of BSD I believe) so to put Unix or BSD in the headline isn't entirely accurate since photoshop is already on the Mac. - kavaliro, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Actually, as an digital artist, I can say that there's not much lacking in either the 3d arena or the image editing arena--you just need to learn the right tools.
Gimp is no more difficult than Photoshop, but lacks CMYK for the moment. That's pretty much it's flaw. But if Gimp doesn't do what you need, XaraLX does. XaraLX is a little flakey still, and crashes occasionally, but has CMYK and does things neither Photoshop, nor Gimp, or even Illustrator can do, and lots of stuff the others can do, Xara does better. I highly recommend it.
Blender is bad to the bone. Maya is the standard for the film industry, and Max is the standard for the gaming industry, with minor crossover between the two. But then, it's so difficult to get into either industry, you're better off buying a stack of lottery tickets with your 7 G's. Blender, on the other hand, is seeing serious development and is extremely capable. It's complicated, and non-intuitive in the beginning. But so are Max and Maya, honestly. Once you actually get into the groove and learn the interface, it kicks butt. It's way easier to model in Blender than 3DS Max. It has a very sophisticated set of tools and really is as good as Max or Maya. Why isn't it used by the industry, then? I think it's mostly to do with inertia. It takes alot of effort to learn a new 3d editing suite. I'd compare it to learning another language.
Having said all that, hey--Maya runs on linux, too. Max will in the future, no doubt. For all that they charge an arm and a leg (and a kidney!) for their software, all of the people I've met from discreet/Autodesk have been top notch. They know the score--their clients want the software to operate on linux, too. They'll follow the money. If I had to guess (I haven't asked, and I'm not sure they'd answer the question,) I'd say that Autodesk is hard at work building a Max-like interface to put on top of the Maya engine so they can concentrate on one package instead of two. - doodlebumm, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3@nayrproductions
I agree about this product. I tried it too, and it crashed on me more than a couple of times. It's not ready.
I don't agree that we NEED Photoshop. Yes, I use it, but not for everything. For some things it is more difficult to use Photoshop than the Gimp. I know there are all kinds of people turning green out there because I said that, but it is true. Photoshop isn't the end-all-be-all. It's just another tool that makes getting your job done more effectively. If I had the choice between Linux and Photoshop, I'd take Linux any day. But that's just me, I suppose. - russellnation, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@topfisher
thanks I didn't know Maya was cross platform
now I am better informed and will check my sources next time. - bgii2000, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Inaccurate
- nayrproductions, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I just tried it and it has its problems..I know its still in early stages, so maybe in the future it will be better. The problem I had with it was that it crashed on me about 5 times. It also took twice as long to load a 90 meg file than photoshop did. I work with huge resolution files most of the time and photoshop does a much better job of displaying scaled down images. Pixel had strange artifacts when the image was at anything but 100%. From a feature standpoint, it appeared to have pretty much everything most people would need, its just still very unpolished and therefore not very useful to me for real work. Keep in mind this was the windows version I was using. I just wanted to see the interface and get a feel for it. Ill get around to trying it on linux. To echo what most people are saying: ADOBE needs to bring out the real Photoshop for Linux. Till that happens, Linux cant be considered an alternative to graphic professionals. Were stuck with Mac or Windows.
- utcursch, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2The download is demo version but I'm impressed a lot -- the installation was hassle-free (sudo dpkg -i pixeldemo_1.0.560-1_i386.deb). I got "some of the components failed to initialize properly" message because I didn't have Jasper library and OpenEXR package.
It's pretty intuitive, if you've some experience with Photoshop and Flash. However, it crashed twice while working with frames -- (An unhandled exception occurred at $08200371 : EAccessViolation : Access violation). May be it was due to missing libs?
Time for a bug report, but it looks cool. - bettermentflux, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I am so impressed with what a single developer has been able to accomplish over a relatively short period of time. No, it's no Photoshop, but imagine what Pavel will create when he is given more resources. Worthy of our support.
- griz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1That's right, I remember using a demo pf Photoshop on an SGI workstation. Makes you wonder why they didn't move it to Linux.
- kmac1048, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1looks pretty cool, but the would be great if it tied into a more robust Quark / InDesign environment. Killer feature FOSS apps lack is proper pagination & project wide management.
- antix, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Neither of your points make any sense. In fact, they contradict one another. 1) Making an equal program for linux WOULD make it easier for people to switch to linux. Why wouldn't it? Because it doesn't say Adobe? 2) The learning curve with GIMP exists largely BECAUSE (unlike pixel) it's different from Photoshop in many ways; see point 1. The interface for pixel is very, very similar to Photoshop. Want to try again?
On pixel in general, the headline is clearly misleading. I crashed pixel within a minute. This hardly solves anything. Furthermore, it's shareware. Bleh. - bonzooznob, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Uhm, I smell lies... what Autodesk product(s) are available on Linux?
I'm a die-hard AutoCAD user... and it is one of the few apps keeping my tied to Windows... If there is an Autodesk AutoCAD for Linux, it is certainly news to me!
PS LinuxCAD != AutoCAD AutoCAD isn't like other apps that get ported, copied or have "similar" versions on the Linux platform... if the CAD package doesn't support LISP, Programmable Keyboard shortcuts for every command, and "name-able" layers on top of 2D/3D, it just won't fly. - jefftj86, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Some features are in the process of being updated, beta 7 will be released soon which should have some major bug fixes and some tablet support under linux.
- lysdexia, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1There is only one thing that keeps me with Windows - the applications I must use. As a professional photographer and passionate musician I cannot live with out Photoshop, Cubase SX and the Native Instuments apps.
When I can find them on a better, cheaper and more powerful platform than the current best for my needs - I'll be there. OS dogma is of zero interest to me. - shinda, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Simple. It's not Photoshop. People don't want to re-learn something they've spent years mastering.
- mikedoth, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1PIE is great, I so hope it can take the lead on Un*x machines for photo manipulation. It's so close to Photoshop it's not even funny. The price is pretty cheap to boot.
http://www.kanzelsberger.com/pixel/?page_id=12 - petercooper, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@transeunte: "The software looks great, but what's up with sensationalist title?"
Posts that don't have sensationalist linkbait titles don't get Dugg. Since the Digg interface encourages digging /before/ reading the destination post, it has to be that way. - cdlavalle, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@jefroo
Thanks for the update! Holy crap,I had no idea that it was such a convoluted transaction. My brother works at Discreet (which means I got the full version of 3dsmax for $300. ROCK!) but he didn't tell me all of that. Even though I have 3dsmax, I usually use blender because it is good (very good) and I love open source and everything it stands for. I think the main problem blender has is the lack of slick 3rd party modules that 3dsmax and Maya enjoy (and that I can't afford anyway) but it seems to be catching up fast and the "basic" funcitonality (which is pretty advanced) is there.
@sw3t
An app is generally not considered to run on linux if you have to use wine to do it. The extra overhead that entails makes it kind of a pain especially in an already hefty app and the funtionallity is not quite 100%. I am not knocking wine, I use it on a daily basis, bu it definitely still has its issues. Plus, it's better to expand the user base of tools like Gimp so developers have more motivation to expand its functionnality ;) - ralcocer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1It runs on DOS!??!?! :|
- jerfoo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@cdlavalle: "3dsmax might be what you are thinking of. The founder had some beef with Steve Jobs so he swore never to let his product run on Mac so he concentrated on Windows which, unfortunaetly,also meant he left *nix nout of the mix. Now that Autodesk owns it I have been hoping that will change."
Don't count on Autodesk being the saving grace. Autodesk USED TO own 3DS. A small group (the Yost Group) from within Autodesk was responsible for 3DStudio. They broke off into Kinetix which later bought Discreet. Kinetix changed their name to Discreet (to live off the industry clout that company already had). Discreet was absorbed back into Autodesk and then purchased Alias|Wavefront.
That said, I fully believe that the company is working on a next-gen 3D platform that will, in essence, merge the Max and Maya user base. This product will need to run under Win/OSX/Unix.
Just my thoughts... - loginx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@nayrproductions
It's not "in the early stages". I've used this app on and off for like 3-4 years now.
It's okay if you don't mind the frequent crashes and the performance impact, but it's no photoshop...
Overall, I'd give it a 7/10.
Haven't tried the new beta though. - cantormath, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Good digg
- jldugger, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Sounds like these people aren't design professionals, but Photoshop professionals. Which also sounds like a potentially bad career move.
- gelgod, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Promising but it crashed on me. I'll wait for the final version.
- warkro, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Gimpshop - http://plasticbugs.com/?page_id=294
- Dmitrik, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2GIMPShop
- m00gg, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2Ditch Photshop and send me your $$$
Use The Gimp and there is even a modified version called GimpShop (http://plasticbugs.com/?page_id=294) - sw3t, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0both maya and photoshop work on linux:
http://blog.publicidadpixelada.com/how-to-adobe-photoshop-cs2-on-ubuntu-10-steps/ - MrUnderbridge, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1"The UI is designed by nerds for nerds."
So? It's designed *for* nerds. - jakemiles, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0The headline and summary are outright lies and I'm annoyed - the article's about some guy's photo editor. And what's wrong with the gimp?
- ErikHK, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0I should give up on digg altogether.. It was amazingly clear that this was an inaccurate story by just reading the headline, but I still had some hope in me, which got crushed. By the way, how will this get huge without being FOSS? I mean, it can't even go into APT in Debian/Ubuntu...
- MrUnderbridge, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1bury
- gypsi, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2beta software that's a gimped version of perfectly good software - only it's linux! yay
- griz, on 10/12/2007, -8/+2WTF is innacurate about this?
- armbar, on 10/12/2007, -14/+7The Gimp is the biggest pile of horse manure to pose as a software product. This is thousands of times better.
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