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- Dochtuir, on 10/12/2007, -3/+19Code can be bug free and still not work properly.
- diegocg, on 10/12/2007, -4/+18Yeah, the mars rover and the the oner one that got the filesystem corrupted can prove that only the NASA can write bug-free code
- jrepin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14LinuxChanges:
http://kernelnewbies.org/LinuxChanges - damentz, on 10/12/2007, -3/+17" It's one of those rare "perfect" kernels. "
Gee, well thats reassurring. - spengy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14If you consider yourself a total n00b, I would go with ubuntu or kubuntu.
If you are more adventurous go for gentoo or one of the many debian-based distros besides ubuntu. - randomc0de, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15what's the sky2 driver do? I'm bored, maybe I'll look into that
- neuromancerzero, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11NASA uses a lot of linux based stuff. And its not too heavily modified. And they do make mistakes. How about that conversion between feet and meters. I know its not a coding mistake, but if they can make a mistake like that, then they can do anything. But they are incredible.
- thegsa, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13if you are new, then ubuntu is the dist for you.
it's easy to use and theres a 95% chance that it'll work perfectly. - nxusername, on 10/12/2007, -10/+18The only people who write 100% bug-free code work for NASA. Software development is imperfect by nature.
Besides, they are not bugs... They are features. - nxusername, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Oops is only listed 3 times. Not bad.
- naz37, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Well NASA developers at least gotta be better then the ESAs. the last rocket we launched blew up because a integer overflowed.
65534 meters...65535 meters...1 meter....WTF!...Bang... - Giga, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10"gah! i just compiled rc6 this morning
im pissed"
As did I, but it only takes 5 or so minutes to recompile. Quit your whining. - stmiller, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8There are drastic improvements for the cell processor. If you are lucky enough to have a PS3, you are wise to try this new kernel.
- alex1432, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7There are obviously no bugs in this code just some undocumented features that are awaiting discovery.
- Ademan, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8Actually linux is simply a kernel. Technically GNU/Linux is a term for linux as an operating system.
- SammyJr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Sweet. Drivers for the Areca RAID cards are now in the mainline kernel!
- geronimo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Tell the reiser4 people to remove their syscall.
- stoffe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4And I must strongly advice against Automatix. It may seem like a saviour and the easy way out, but it *will* break your system, at the very latest when its time to upgrade to the next version, and often much earlier when something conflicting needs updating. Just don't - there's guides to install everything you need safely.
(If you are so used to Windows that wipe-all-reinstall is what you *want*, Automatix may work for you though) - stalefries, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Digg randomc0de up, and maybe he'll be urged even more to do some kernel hacking! You can never have too many hackers working!
- randomc0de, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7Go for Ubuntu at first, learn how to do everything on the command line. Ubuntu is really just a shiny Debian with a lot of community support of newbs.
- Roger, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5@Ramtech:
I say go for Ubuntu. Its one of the more popular modern distributions and its relatively user friendly.
(By OS you really meant distribution. Ubuntu, Redhat, SuSe, etc. are all based on Linux) - stmiller, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4"So go get it. It's one of those rare "perfect" kernels. So if it doesn't
happen to compile with your config (or it does compile, but then does
unspeakable acts of perversion with your pet dachshund), you can rest easy
knowing that it's all your own d*mn fault, and you should just fix your
evil ways."
Heh. - renrutal, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Amazing... Ext4 has been developed since June, and it's already in mainline, and Reiser 4 has been around since 2004 and it still struggles to be included there.
- freddiefenster, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I've been hearing a lot about "girls" recently, does anyone know if it's 2.6.19 compatible?
- atdigg, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5That's not true there's Linux kernel and Linux OS, most of the people who use GNU/Linux are politically motivated or they don't know better. More precise there's: Ubuntu Linux, Red Hat Linux, Damn Small Linux, Debian GNU/Linux, and so on.
BTW, most of the Linux kernel developers abhor the "GNU/Linux" name. - brianez21, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3http://Kernel.org
Time to compile!
http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.19.tar.bz2 - geronimo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3If everyone added a syscall for a filesystem linux would be unbearable. You can work with the linux community to get the desired functionality.
- Ramtech, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5i'm new (very new) to linux and i want to know which OS is probably the best one, because i know theres a few... but i didnt know which one to get in to. Anyone know?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Another vote for Ubuntu for a newbie distro here.
Quite a few people go antiubuntu when it fails to work absolutely flawlessly on their random hardware, theres no harm in trying it and finding if it works on your system, a majority of times it will work fine.
You can get cd's shipped to you free http://shipit.ubuntu.com/ although they are 1 version out of date but its because its for long term support (3 years for desktop, 5 for server), ie for installing on a relative/friends computer and forgetting about.
If it doesn't work jump into the irc chat room or forums and ask, a lot of the issues will probably be quite fixable, xorg not working with your specific video card is a common one and can be solved by installing drivers under the actual Livecd environment (if trying standard vesa/vga driver doesn't work). Wi-fi is another common problem, there are heaps of topics on that. If you get an actual kernel error though you are probably out of luck, although there are a few cheat codes you can pass at boot to get around some issues, pci=nodma ide=nodma noacpi etc.
The only other issue is mp3/dvd/wmv/mov/flash/streaming playback but those are fairly easy to enable and work quite well in firefox. (try http://www.getautomatix.com/ )
Avoid 64bit installs as they require much more screwing around to setup stuff and offer no real advantage (unless you happen to be transcoding heaps of movies). This is a fairly general rule for all distros, support has defiantly improved though, flash being the main problem (I like nspluginwrapper, but most people recommend installing 32bit Firefox) - Iandefor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2but... but... I don't have a pet dachsund!
- Simon80, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3dudeknt, roger: I think that distribution and OS are pretty similar terms..
urusai: I had the same problem, and ended up using the text install for edgy - hooray for instability, it's discouraging when your favorite OS has such big problems..
everybody else: don't recommend Gentoo to newbies, chances are, they're looking something vaguely similar to what they have now in terms of management, rather than a system where they have to edit config files just to connect to a wireless network.
and ramtech: try out ubuntu :), or something else, but as long as you try something ASAP you'll be fine, cause you'll know much more once you dive in. - dudeknt, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6Well, first of all you mean "distribution" instead of OS. Linux is the OS, the distribution is the packaging it comes with.
Ubuntu and Mandriva are recommended for Linux newbies, you might want to try those. Ubuntu has a great support community; I recommend it and it's the "hot" distro of the moment. - mickstephenson, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4@spengy, I agree with your sentiment about Ubuntu, if you are a noob it is the distro to use, SuSe and Fedora are fundamentally flawed in my opinion because of there package managers, but you say if your a more advanced user to use another Debian based distro. I was just wondering what advantages you see from using others, I used Debian before I tried Ubuntu, (I avoided it because of its reputation as a noob distro, my first install was Gentoo, I didn't have a clue what I was doing, but I got it going following the handbook)
and I recently gave MEPIS a go, and that was definately not for me. Knoppix is too far behind with development from what I hear. Ubuntu I feel has everything for a more advanced user aswell, I don't see how people see it as dumbed down apart from the initial install is relatively easy.
What debian based distro's would you consider worth a try? - t0mmmmmmm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2yeah, it takes 5 minutes on a modern computer
some people actually use linux on older machines for it gives you more for the same hardware (think firewall, web servers). kernel compiles used to last for 2 hours on my Pentium 200, not so long ago - JEmerson, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"Ubuntu is really just a shiny Debian with a lot of community support of newbs."
I'd been using debian since around the time BeOS died, and only gave ubuntu a shot about four months back. Ubuntu is a shiny Debian, but with a developer base that's not tolerant of the childish behaviour that's plagued the debian community. Not surprisingly, when people act in a professional manner, with respect for each other and their shared goals, a better product is created. - davs, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2seems like the dev cycle from 2.6.18 to 19 was way longer than 17 to 18. i'll try this out to see if it was worth the wait... too bad debian is sticking with 2.6.18 for its next release.
- stoffe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2My two favourites. :) Actually, I don't do Gentoo anymore because I don't have the time - that shouldn't be taken as a negative against it though, it's just that Gentoo is at its best when you have time to play with it.
- vixenk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Mepis, Ubuntu, Mandriva, and PCLinuxOS would all be good start outs imho.
Just remember though if you find yourself really hating a distro and/or having a harder time with it than you would like to have, there are plenty of others out there to choose from with different configurations and communities. :)
And I'm pretty sure you don't need to hear once again that there IS a learning curve involved, no matter which distro you pick. ;) - ardellin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Suse is also a good pick. For me, it supported more hardware than others (FC) out of the box, mainly my wireless card and widescreen moniter. It's not hard to fix these things in other distros, but it is nice having it work from the beginning.
However, Suse (or rather, Novell) may be losing a lot of love from the community due to recent dealings with MS. I may be checking out Kubuntu myself in a month or two just to see what all the fuss is about. - Giga, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Works fine on my mates Asus P5B Deluxe motherboard, and has done since 2.6.18...
"what's the sky2 driver do? I'm bored, maybe I'll look into that"
A particular network card driver. - t0mmmmmmm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1the sky2 driver is still broken :\
- Ramtech, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Thank you everyone.. i think i'll try ubuntu and gentoo on two different computers. Hopefully.. i can make my mind an open one. Thank you.
- t0mmmmmmm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1mine's locked up 3 times since they moved it from experimental (2.6.18.1). it seems to happen when stuff downloads pretty fast (800+ k/s)
- toxicredm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Only if you upgrade to Wife 1.0.
- tabgilbert, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1wow, just a normal thread. no little kids, no yelling, no snide comments. i suggest ubuntu and automatix. brings new life to all the local computers with it after they get eaten by window worms and the manufacturer was smart enough not to include an install disk.
- t0mmmmmmm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1anyone know what happened to Hans Reiser by the way?
- subgeniusd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@10mmmmmm - he was recently arraigned and pleaded innocent.
- Xilon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1If you're a n00b Gentoo may be a bad choice. I remember that after 2 years of using Ubuntu and Debian I still had no idea wth was going on during the Gentoo install. It makes more sense now that I've read a bit more on all the specifics and Gentoo has made the installer somewhat easier but I'd suggest trying Ubuntu (or even Debian) first.
If you have a spare computer laying around not being used much then it would be a better idea to try Gentoo on that first. - xabbott, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Ubuntu is good for new people and "advance" users. Honestly I find Debian just as easy to use as Ubuntu. From a desktop perspective Ubuntu is like running a supported Sid. ::shrug::
- wixardy, on 10/12/2007, -5/+5gah! i just compiled rc6 this morning
im pissed -
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