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- wendall911, on 11/02/2008, -14/+76+1 for supporting Obama. He has some great insights about having different opinions. I disagree with him about RMS. Without RMS, there wouldn't have been a cohesive enough vision to create the GPL. V3 may not work for Linus, but it does work for many projects, and will become prevalent in time.
- skinnyarms, on 11/03/2008, -19/+80Obama++
- ThsGuyRightHere, on 11/03/2008, -15/+64So for all three Linux geeks who were going to vote McCain, now you know where Linus stands. I'm pretty sure the rest of us were already voting Obama anyway.
- kd420, on 11/03/2008, -7/+51Yeah, i really think the reason Kerry didn't win was because he was purely riding the anti-Bush wave. He said and did nothing remarkable, so his whole campaign could be summed up in "I'm not Bush". Yes, you can get a bunch of votes that way, but Obama actually has people excited about him and his policies, not just undoing the mess Bush has made. That is why he can win, because it gets people to go out vote when they actually have something to look forward to, not a lesser of two evils scenario.
Also, dugg for "It's not a rick-roll, I promise." lol - smotpoker, on 11/03/2008, -2/+45;
- digggggggggg, on 11/03/2008, -2/+38This quote from the post really struck a chord with me:
"It's just that when that becomes something exclusionary, it often gets ugly. It's not passion for something, it becomes passion against something else."
From my previous posts, I think it's pretty obvious that I have liberal views, and I will vote for Obama come Tuesday. However, I am by no means against conservatism. I can totally see where conservatives are coming from, and why they vote the way they do. The kind of person I can't stand, however, are those who choose a side simply because they hate the other side. This is true for both liberals and conservatives.
In a more perfect world, we would vote for the candidate who we agree with the most, and not the candidate who isn't the one that we dislike for whatever reason. In this election, too many people are buying into the Republicans' rhetoric of fear, uncertainty, and doubt. They have spent so much time smearing their opponent that I have not seen a single commercial detailing their own positions and policies. It's gotten so negative that they are no longer really the "Republican" party so much as they are the "anti-Democratic" party.
That's why I can't possibly vote Republican in this election, and that's why I encourage others to do the same. - ThsGuyRightHere, on 11/03/2008, -1/+36Linus doesn't want Linux to be seen as anti-Microsoft, and I respect that. I don't think he really grasps how many parties are anti-Linux though, thus the inclusion of some of the stipulations that went into GPLv3.
- basickler, on 11/03/2008, -4/+28Wow, funny that's the same video that made me decide that Obama was probably the best presidential nominee I've seen since I've been alive. And Linus is always kinda funny, you can tell he knows that it's kinda ridiculous that an endorsement from a programmer (albeit a very influential one) should mean anything. But he takes himself with a serious grain of salt and that makes it ok, this is just a smart guy giving his reason for liking Obama.. nothing else. So don't get your panties in a bundle.
- inactive, on 11/03/2008, -5/+28He's one of the most influential software developers of all time. I think we can at least read his opinion if we choose to. Use the bury button if you disagree and shut the ***** up.
- Aquashark, on 11/03/2008, -2/+23stop wielding words with unknown meaning for you.
idiot. - kragil, on 11/03/2008, -7/+27I am frightend that Obama will not win ... you never know what all those Rednecks will do ;( ... Polls mean nothing.
- inactive, on 11/03/2008, -6/+24I don't see why people have to vote the way linus does just because they use his software. Can you please explain that to me?
If I were voting I would probably vote for Obama, but just because we support the same candidate doesn't mean that fellow supporters cant say ***** stupid things. Digg needs to learn that. - nxxm, on 11/03/2008, -6/+23yes you r-tard. its been on the news pretty much everywhere on the net.
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&q=linus+b ...
example:
http://www.linux-magazine.com/online/news/linus_to ...
even on digg.
under a rock? - falafelkiosken, on 11/03/2008, -3/+17if you think "social liberalism" is socialism you need to go back to school, if you even have finished it
- batkins, on 11/03/2008, -1/+15BSD, Lunix, Debian and Mandrake are all versions of an illegal hacker operation system, invented by a Soviet computer hacker named Linyos Torovoltos, before the Russians lost the Cold War. It is based on a program called "xenix", which was written by Microsoft for the US government.
Your son may try to install "lunix" on your hard drive. If he is careful, you may not notice its presence, however, lunix is a capricious beast, and if handled incorrectly, your son may damage your computer, and even break it completely by deleting Windows, at which point you will have to have your computer repaired by a professional. - zip000, on 11/03/2008, -1/+15There are an awful lot of libertarians in the linux geek world, and even a few republicans. It is certainly not as black and white as: nerd=liberal.
- stam202, on 11/03/2008, -3/+15so?
- Churnd, on 11/03/2008, -4/+16Anyone notice how just about every one of his posts start with "So, ..."?
- jamesmcm, on 11/03/2008, -2/+12Why does he complain about the FSF taking a hard-line against abusing loopholes like TiVO did? If the FSF didn't, then the GPL would become pointless and there would be many non-Free projects using GPL'd code.
To use Torvalds' own phrase, I think Linus Torvalds is becoming anti-FSF just because that's how he is perceived and not for any important reason. - KibibyteBrain, on 11/03/2008, -0/+10I don't get why an endorsement from a pretty sharp programmer who started such a big project should be counted any less than any other business leader, political scientist, or at the very least plumber...
I really don't like societies "shut up and get back to keeping society afloat" attitude toward science and technical types. - keithloughnane, on 11/03/2008, -2/+12you obviously haven't seen the voting machine code, its:
mcCain++; - Mujokan, on 11/03/2008, -1/+10http://www.barackobama.com/issues/
Presumably the last time I'll ever need to link to that site, at least for four years. - RoboDonut, on 11/03/2008, -0/+9Nobody is violating your first amendment rights. Actually, it's quite the contrary. We're exercising our first amendment rights by calling you an idiot when abuse the first amendment by saying something stupid.
Freedom is a beautiful thing. - inactive, on 11/03/2008, -22/+31Linus, I love you. We can only hope that someday _all_ linux users will shut the ***** up about "FREEDOM!111ONE" and "EVIL M$!!!" and just use the damn operating system and be happy with it.
Seriously guys, you've now heard it from the developer of the kernel himself: It's not about competition, it's about preference. So please stop with this stupid fanboi mentality, it's driving me insane. - KibibyteBrain, on 11/03/2008, -0/+9I don't think thats as true as you think. Lots of the IT industry, especially in the Midwest, tend to be ex-military(where they got their training). So there are lots of very conservative Linux geeks in patches.
- digggggggggg, on 11/03/2008, -3/+12And you're that much MORE AWESOME for being "different".
- HonoredMule, on 11/03/2008, -2/+10I think it's easier for Linus NOT to be anti-Microsoft. After all, Linux the kernel enjoys a level of intellectual freedom not enjoyed by many OSS projects. Linux is a mature, robust, superior piece of work, and has been able to get that way due to very little effective opposition from Microsoft. The mess that is ACPI is the only issue that comes to mind involving the kernel for which blame falls at Microsoft's feet...and much of the blame also falls on hardware vendors in general.
Many other projects that are inclined toward anti-Microsoft views are that way after years of struggling to work around anti-competitive patents that never should have been granted, proprietary formats and DRM, tight platform integration (kind of like insider trading), intentional standards divergence, and hostile market forces limiting community participation. Organizations like OOo blame their limited success on the excessive interference by Microsoft and the MS ecosystem, and it's hard not to blame them. Often in these cases the talent, vision, and initiative is present, but the dominant player turns the market into a legal and technical battleground instead of a competitive technology race. Often these projects have to put in ten times the effort just to achieve equivalent program maturity and quality.
The more attention you get from the caged gorilla, the more you start thinking there should be some high, strong walls around you and your work, with the gorilla on the outside. - brettalton, on 11/03/2008, -1/+9Please, no need for the negative words. I scour Digg, my national newspaper websites and hear news stories from colleagues and friends and there are still hundreds of interesting issues I miss. Did YOU know that if our solar system were filled with gas the density of our air, it would be - literally - a black hole due to its gravitational pull[1]?
I didn't. I just learnt this and I even read literary works on Stephen Hawking and Brian Green. Thus, it doesn't seem difficult to read issues on Linux, computer science, etc. and miss the fact that Linus has a blog.
'mundotriste', it is Linus' blog. It would be terribly difficult to fake a blog for anyone as famous as Linus as it would be debunked quite quickly, especially within such an active community.
[1] http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/200 ... - depro9, on 11/03/2008, -3/+11I'm a democratic socialist & Obama is not even close to a socialist, he is controlled by private corporations who really run this country. I also think RMS is correct in his thinking & actions GNU will move away from Linux in time.
- pedepy, on 11/03/2008, -2/+10wow really insightful post and one which truly outlines the reasons why obama got to where he is and where hes heading: 'change' that obama & supporters have in mind above all the ones needed to the policies in america is the one that needs to happen in how americans deal with politics itself.
Its not (nor has ever been) a matter of red vs blue, right vs left, us against them... The world is incredibly nuanced and any politician that does not acknowledge that, be it mccain, palin or clinton, gets tossed. - inactive, on 11/03/2008, -5/+13Please, solder your pee hole shut. Thank you.
- nysus, on 11/03/2008, -2/+10Funny that Torvalds supports the more "practical" candidate, while Stallman is gunning for Nader who doesn't have a chance in hell. See http://www.stallman.org/
At any rate, I'd live to hear a philosophical debate between the pragmatist and the idealist. - int19h, on 11/03/2008, -0/+7inc eax
- jamesmcm, on 11/03/2008, -1/+8I can't bury you enough for that statement.
- RoboDonut, on 11/03/2008, -2/+91. Lines of code is an awful metric.
2. How many of those lines were written by Torvalds? How many lines is GNU coreutils, binutils, GCC, screen, Emacs, GNOME, and all of the rest of the stuff a proper Linux system needs to function?
Again, I don't mean to demean the value of the Linus's work or his views on the subject. Linus has a very good point, I'm just pointing out what I perceive to be a flaw in r3negadeX's reasoning. - digitalhippie, on 11/03/2008, -6/+13I got to see a talk with Richard Stallman about a couple of weeks ago and he really is an extremist when it comes to computer software. In his world, if it isn't open source then its crap and should be avoided at all costs. Linus says it best "he sees the world in black and white".
- ujjwal, on 11/03/2008, -0/+7You have every right to bury the article and the others have every right to bury you. Free speech + Democracy. The score currently stands 311 vs -22.
- Mujokan, on 11/03/2008, -1/+8It's not such a mismatch with libertarianism though.
- RoboDonut, on 11/03/2008, -7/+13Why should we listen to the kernel developer? He only contributed a small piece. It was the GNU project and the FSF who put the whole framework in place and developed a majority of the software. They still handle all the legal and bureaucratic nonsense that nobody else wants to deal with.
I'm just making a point. I'm not saying that Linus is wrong or unimportant. I usually agree with him, and I agree with him about Obama being a more reasonable candidate.
However, I do not see RMS as being a single-issue person and I do not disagree with GPLv3.
I do not think people should just "use the damn operating system and be happy with it". There are a lot of threats to FOSS that cannot go ignored. Microsoft et al. certainly don't ignore Linux, they actually go out of their way to falsify information and sabotage standards. - tech10171968, on 11/03/2008, -0/+6"From my previous posts, I think it's pretty obvious that I have liberal views, and I will vote for Obama come Tuesday. However, I am by no means against conservatism. I can totally see where conservatives are coming from, and why they vote the way they do. The kind of person I can't stand, however, are those who choose a side simply because they hate the other side. This is true for both liberals and conservatives."
Dugg up for having a brain and considering *both* sides to issues before judging one way or the other. Wish more people had your insight. - wigren, on 11/03/2008, -0/+6You know Linus lives in Oregon, right?
- int19h, on 11/03/2008, -1/+7You have to give some credit to RMS for his vision and how his actions became very influential.
- s0krat3z, on 11/03/2008, -0/+6But you're taking for granted from where that opportunity to succeed came. You didn't do it all on your own. Despite how it may appear money doesn't grow on trees. You need an economy in motion to sell your product or service. If you succeed and sit on it the balance is lost and things grind to a halt. You need among other things the education, the infrastructure and the people to succeed. Your focus is too narrow. You're all about me me me. It should be about you and your country.
- inactive, on 11/03/2008, -0/+6Don't underestimate the motivation of gun owners in the US.
A significant number of Bush votes were people that held their nose and re-elected him, knowing he was more or less ambivalent on guns while Kerry was more of an established anti-gun politician.
Obama, too, is on record as consistently voting against the interests of gun owners. And he was also recorded in an interview stating he'd like to eliminate concealed carry. Unfortunately that particular sound byte didn't get circulated quite as widely as it should.
The only reason Obama has to not fear the gun culture is that McCain is a long time enemy of the US gun culture. A lot of gun owners may sit this one out as a result.
The very interesting thing to note is that as we get closer to the election, NICS background checks (indicative of gun sales) are going through the roof. - mrigns, on 11/03/2008, -0/+6@CreateTheFuture
He isn't voting because he isn't American. - KibibyteBrain, on 11/03/2008, -4/+9The real point is, Linus shows its possible to be a very strong supporter of Free software without having to have a religious commitment to its perfection as a model.
- TnTBass, on 11/03/2008, -1/+6Linux wouldn't exist without Linus, who created a kernel where the GNU project failed (hence the partnership between GNU and Linux). I wouldn't say its one "small piece", I would say it's one half to the puzzle.
You are correct about the threats to FOSS. Companies that make their money selling software are always going to be threatened by FOSS, because if the free version becomes more popular then their version, their livelihood suffers from it. Anyone (or company) threatened with their livelihood will always lash out at those threatening it.
However, I think Linus' point was along these lines: While FOSS may be preferred, if it doesn't do what you need it to do, don't reject proprietary software based on principle. - xbytes, on 11/03/2008, -2/+7well thats the kind of thng people talk about on a blog, so seems reasonable to me
- gandhii, on 11/03/2008, -0/+5There kinda is something pretty cool about a system where two people like Linus and Stallman can have such disagreement with each other still be such productive and integral parts of the whole. Even if they got along, I can't see how it would change a damn thing. Since it is the big mass evolution of the mob and often, where the money goes, that causes the large conglomeration of an OS that many of us enjoy and use.
- inactive, on 11/03/2008, -4/+9Are you a hipster Linus mentions that he is a Liberal
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