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- Tralobyte, on 07/16/2008, -7/+241Man, Torvalds sure knows how to piss a group of people off.
- TheWindBlows, on 07/16/2008, -15/+239I got to agree with the guy. Security is just one piece of something. You can make something as secure as you want but if everything else sucks, then what you have is a worthless piece of crap wrapped in cast iron armor.
- matthekc, on 07/15/2008, -21/+180Everybody take cover the openbsd monkey's are going to fling poo at us for this one.
- likwidtek, on 07/15/2008, -34/+187amen.
- Jarulf, on 07/16/2008, -6/+133Well, time to update the "10 best Linus Torvalds Quotes" that was on firstpage a few days ago.
- nitr, on 07/16/2008, -2/+120I can imagine Masturbating Monkey being an upcoming Ubuntu Codename
- cenarta, on 07/16/2008, -3/+90I wouldn't really run it for much else, but IMHO OpenBSD makes a damn good firewall. We have run it for years without ever having an intrusion, and you should see the number of script kiddies pf blocks.
- inactive, on 07/16/2008, -4/+89openBSD's entire purpose is security, and many developers of other systems take their advances and apply them to other distributions of BSD and linux, it's a cutting edge research platform. Search through several linux security packages and I'm sure you'll find plenty borrowed from OpenBSD.
What is Linus' purpose in talking trash about other developers trying to better open source computing? - leodavinci, on 07/16/2008, -13/+88instant classic
- OswaldKenobi, on 07/16/2008, -11/+77Linus is a very angry man.
- stikkitjim, on 07/16/2008, -8/+69Linus has become such an ego maniac - but I suppose that if you have emails from millions of geeks everyday saying how much they love you, and people calling you genius in every press article, that's going to happen.
He's like Yngwie Malmsteen - but for Free software! - DeathfireD, on 07/16/2008, -3/+59He criticized Gnome not KDE. He loves KDE and swears by it.
- mmmdelishus, on 07/16/2008, -2/+51Poo is the least of your worries
- edebolt, on 07/16/2008, -1/+46What's wrong with masturbating monkeys?
- cenarta, on 07/16/2008, -4/+48Um, no what you get is one damn good OS for a firewall.
- inkswamp, on 07/16/2008, -4/+47NERD FIGHT! NERD FIGHT!
- apcfreak, on 07/16/2008, -1/+43I don't mind Theo, but the rest of the Huxtables are pretty annoying after the first season.
- paulsmith288, on 07/16/2008, -1/+42Leonardo da Vinci > Steve Jobs
- giskard88, on 07/16/2008, -1/+41wow. you we're a fan of him in the 80's? given he wrote Linux 0.01 in 1991, that's pretty amazing.
- inactive, on 07/16/2008, -9/+46what do you expect, he's the leader of the army of virgin nerds
- JoemcC00L, on 07/16/2008, -12/+48Ohhh snap... it's on now!!
/s - tama00, on 07/16/2008, -39/+75Linus Torvald is such a bad tempered guy.
He's criticised the KDE project and also some linux distros.
Linus Torvald does not represent the Linux community is simple just holds the trademark for the name Linux and does kernel work.
As another Linux developer, I personally don't support his views. - Berkana, on 07/16/2008, -1/+35The MacOS X kernel, Darwin, is based on FreeBSD, not OpenBSD.
- inactive, on 07/16/2008, -9/+41Torvalds must be drunk posting again. The central driving force behind modern OS architecture is dealing with security. If this wasn't the case all our systems would be flat mode OS's and all the data between the kernel and intra process message passing would just be simple read writes between shared memory segments with no restrictions what so ever, it would be fast as hell but totally unsuitable for todays environment. I know Torvalds takes security seriously but I think he's dead wrong when he says a kernel lockup is EQUAL in severity to a security bug that lets arbitrary code do what ever it wants in kernel space. One situation leads to a reboot, the other leads people with their pants down. Reboots are cheap, strangers walking off with your private data or your customers private data is *expensive*.
- iwod, on 07/16/2008, -3/+32While he does have his point. I think his idea is plain wrong too.
No OS is perfect. So you have OpenBSD which sacrifice a lot or everything for security. It may not be the best OS for anyone or everyone. But they will be the most secure OS.
A lot of the work in OpenBSD tends to port over to other OS too. So OpenBSD likes security. Fair enough. Different people likes different things.
So i Think Linus should start to respect other people.
So - TangentThought, on 07/16/2008, -5/+32Steve Jobs was brilliant?
- Dracusis, on 07/16/2008, -1/+26Since when ~hasn't~ he been an *****?
Do some reading, most people say he's always had a short fuse. Google "Steve Jobs" and "*****" and have a read about some of his many dummy spits over the years, it's rather entertaining. - wyrdness, on 07/16/2008, -2/+27You're right. OpenBSD boxes make great firewalls, and I much prefer configuring BSD's ipfw to Linux's iptables.
- inactive, on 07/16/2008, -19/+43EVERYONE HATES YOU THEO.
- yurimxpxman, on 07/16/2008, -0/+22Because he was too busy inventing the world's first flying machine, machine gun, submarine, and painting Jesus on a gigantic wall that stood through a bloody war.
- reginaldino, on 07/16/2008, -3/+24although in total he has contributed a small amount to the whole linux kernel, he has contributed the most when compared to other individuals.
- matris77, on 07/16/2008, -1/+21Exactly, look at OpenSSH, the world would be a lot worse if we were still all using telnet to administer our servers. The OpenBSD team also gave us privilege separation.
- Dracusis, on 07/16/2008, -11/+29Aren't all brilliant men also the biggest *****?
To name but a few; Leonardo da Vinci, Steve Jobs... - custal, on 07/16/2008, -2/+19I'm sure I'm gonna get grilled for this, but ...
Either you are from Finland or there must be some temporal glitch, since Linux wasn't made public before August 1991. - aeoo, on 07/16/2008, -4/+21I actually like Theo. Theo is cool. But so is Linus. :) Linus also has some "dumb ass" moments of his own. It's all good.
- MacParrot, on 07/16/2008, -3/+19Right, because Linus talking about OpenBSD and housewives using Linux have anything to do with one another. Sorry Papajohn, I realize you're about the saddest of losers that can only get attention by saying something really stupid in an anonymous internet forum, but lay off the pepperoni and garlic pizzas, lose a pound or 75 and maybe...just maybe, girls will talk to you someday.
Next caller Larry - inactive, on 07/16/2008, -2/+18Well damn, he gets credit for actually being able to organize an effort like this, does he not?
You go start an OS and see just how many people come on board - like what, maybe 2 - 6 if you're good but you'll never get anything useful out of that many people. - iceyone, on 07/16/2008, -2/+18I'm an OpenBSD guy, and I'll be honest - with all the time I save from not having to patch weird security errors, I really do jerk off a LOT. It's just that I spend all my time now surfing the net and going to bars and such. I know those Linux guys like Linux a ton, because they're always working on it through the night. Doing something called "patching". I always thought that was a euphemism for something else, but I guess not.
- inactive, on 07/16/2008, -2/+17while its nice to cheer on like this is Jerry Springer, he did actually have a very good point.
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/701694/ ...
FTL: when you fix a bug, the commit describes what it fixes without omitting
anything relevant. when you fix a security bug, its commit doesn't say
what it fixes (not even that it's a security fix, never mind actual
impact information), that is, you omit relevant information (based on
some ill-conceived argument that i deconstructed at the beginning). in
other words, you're *not* treating security bugs as normal bugs. for
all intents and purposes, you cover them up. i *wish* you did treat
them as normal bugs however.
cheers,
Pax Team - crownedgriffin, on 07/16/2008, -2/+17Now Linus, tell us how you really feel. I don't always agree with Linus, but I always love his politically incorrect ramblings.
- Taiyoryu, on 07/16/2008, -0/+15I wish they used Hungry Hippo
- NSResponder, on 07/16/2008, -4/+19So, I see that Linus has decided that Theo De Radt can't be the most obnoxious prima donna in the open source game any more.
-jcr - sirbeta, on 07/16/2008, -2/+16/popcorn
I predict you'll get buried into the hundreds for that one. - blackjack75, on 07/16/2008, -6/+20I have a linksys wifi router as my "firewall", I haven't had any intrusions either... does that make linksys routers the panacea?
- MrTulip, on 07/16/2008, -2/+16but unlike yngwie, torvalds' masturbatory frenzy has actually brought the world some good.
- nickallen74, on 07/16/2008, -8/+22Linus is really immature sometimes. Just because someone has a different opinion to him does not give him the right to behave like a 10 year old and call people insulting names. Difference of opinion is healthy and there is no right opinion. I happen to agree with a lot of what Torvalds says but his point would have been better made without insulting others. Bugs do have different priorities and a security problem (by nature) should have a very high priority. Focusing on security and stability over features is not a bad thing. He really needs to grow up!
- heldlik, on 07/16/2008, -3/+16Is he trying to tell us that he is NOT a monkey, and that he DOESN'T masturbate?
Yeah right..... - lakerdonald, on 07/16/2008, -0/+13it's illegal in 23 states.
- uglypercy, on 07/16/2008, -20/+33The worst people in every discipline tend to specialize in security issues.
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