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- MikeVanEik, on 10/12/2007, -1/+27Nice move by Linspire...this should help desktop Linux in general.....the website www.cnr.com has some cool shots of the new interface.
- fleetskeet, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14No, it's not that hard for most people on digg. However, it's elitists like you that want to keep Linux hard to use for the common desktop user. Having an easy-to-use distro isn't going to invalidate your Nerd Badge.
- mitrovarr, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14Yes.
First of all, it never bloody works. There's always some unsolved dependency or unset environmental variable. Or, you don't have the right compiler version, the right library versions, the right library formats, etc, etc.
Second, you have to keep the installer around or you can't uninstall anything. There's no central install/uninstall area. Everything is scattered wherever you left it on the hard drive.
Third, it's anyone's guess where it actually puts the files it installs.
Fourth, I shouldn't have to drop to the command line to install things.
Fifth, install scripts are almost universally buggy.
Sixth, a lot of programs require custom kernel modules, and getting those to compile and work can be absolute hell.
Seventh, large software packages take an eternity to compile on slow hardware.
I could go on all day. - jer2eydevil88, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13Isn't the spirit of open source development to compete? Why do you go on to complain that Linspire is releasing a wrapper for an update engine without trying to complain that KDE and Gnome are both useless because the console is more poweful.
- skippy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10xDVDShrink for Linux
http://dvdshrink.sourceforge.net/ - daanishrumani, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10I love this.
- schestowitz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8The press release (link not included by Chris): http://www.linspire.com/lindows_news_pressreleases_archives.php?id=212
- drag, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Well ya. This should be very nice for some people.
I assume there is a option to pay for it. If so this means that Linspire just solved the problem of distributing propriatory software to Linux end users.
Say your a ISV with a computer game or a web browser you want to charge Linux users for, and some Linux users want. Well currently you have the problem of dealing with different Linux distro packaging formats and different dependancies. As a application developer it would be expensive to test and make sure that all the software works on all the distros. And if you focus on one or two distros then you loose out on potential market share.
However with Linspire a middle-man then customers pay Linspire for the commercial service, linspire is then able to concentrate on supporting the distributions it supports. As a added bonus they will advertise your product on their CNR interface when people do a search for this or that application.
So in the end as a ISV you can make money selling to people. Linspire makes money by being the middle man and takes a lot of the headaches of supporting Linux away from you.. and end users get a convient and easy way to purchase Linux software while still being able to use a distro of their choice.
So if it works out it's a win-win for everybody. (except for MS) - clickwir, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Quite interesting. I used CNR back for Lindows 3 and 4, it was quite nice.
I'd love to try it out on K/Ubuntu. - EgoDemens, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8http://k9copy.sourceforge.net/ not good enough for you?
- EgoDemens, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11@subgeniusd
The only person that mentioned Ubuntu was you, you ***** retard. I like how your, obviously extreme, hatred for the subject has come full circle and now you're the raving loony that must bring it in to every conversation. FYI: The first option listed was Yum. Yum is for Red Hat derived package management the second was Yast, that being for SUSE and finally we get to apt, which started on Debian and therefore is used in Ubuntu. So only through inference could you think that post had something to do with Ubuntu. - JQP123, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9"As a application developer it would be expensive to test and make sure that all the software works on all the distros."
The service is called CNR (Click 'n Run); not PFM (Pure Friggin' Magic). It's a distribution service, it doesn't magically solve all development, dependency and testing issues. - techlinks, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7I can really see this helping linux in a big way. Even personally, I like linux, I don't really love windows. I want to swtich but program wise it's just too much hassle. But now, I can see myself actually using linux.
Way to go Linspire folk! - jcaino, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6exactly.
it gives you more options
you can use the one that best suits your or your family.
more options == win for the end user / consumer / me / you - drag, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5"The service is called CNR (Click 'n Run); not PFM (Pure Friggin' Magic). It's a distribution service, it doesn't magically solve all development, dependency and testing issues."
No. 'Pure Friggin' Magic' is what Linspire has to do.
That's why they make money off of it. Linpsire provides a service to end users. If you want to use propriatory software under linux you pay them a subscription fee and you get a discount on the software they provide. Linspire turns around and does testing to make sure that the software is going to work in the configurations and distributions they support.
THAT'S how you solve the problem, by having people paid to work on it and figure out solutions to common problems. The ISVs will work with Linspire and use their experiance and Linspire's tool to provide their customers with the software they want on the operating sytems they use.
Capitalism is the 'PFM'. - fox40, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5there are ways to run it in linux using wine
- sqrt7744, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5for pete's sake... at least use checkinstall (in a debian environment) so you can uninstall the program once you've deleted/lost the source code!
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5What would help linux?
Acceptance by commercial vendor? An easy way for said vendors to distribute their apps without having to wonder if their package is compatible, and list 30 packages built for different distro and let the users choose?
Is apt-get and synaptics able to do that or even offer paid content?
So I say that this help Linux in a big frigging way. Not everyone get a hard on because they can install package from the command line. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4 @clickwir ;
Ive used CNR for over a year...You Ubuntu folk are really going to like this. - meltingrobot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4It is when you find out that you don't have 18 different development libraries and gcc installed. But I use it from time to time anyways. :)
- bmartin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I don't understand how having an extra option hurts. Nobody's going to force anyone to use CNR. If you hate GUI's, APT and YUM are always going to be available.
- thcobbs, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I think someone is trying to position themselves for the front position on Linux Desktop Installations.... (LDI For short)
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3 Here it is in action:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpzCs1eyOSU - atdigg, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4if you like 1-click install (a' la CNR) why don't you try Linspire (or Freespire)?
- TorgoIsBurning, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4***** yeah, this'll be great for linux! good for linspire and BUH-bye microsoft. great news.
- dezmd, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8Hey look everyone, its SYNAPTIC with a Google ads/CNET Download rating looking interface!
And whats with the Linspire fanboyism? Are we getting hit by some 'grassroots' marketing firm here?
Cheers. - BlackAdderIII, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"""avram2002, I'm sure you feel sooo 1337 in your text mode terminal like Neo from the Matrix... ....Linux elitists want to kill windows, the man, and the EEEEVIL BILLY GATES, yet they ATTEMPT TO DESTROY ANY EFFORT TO DO SO!"""
I don't think he deserved this tirade from you. Firstly, he made no attempt to differentiate between GUI and console (the most common way to manage packages with yast is the graphical clients, not console use) and he didn't say there was anything wrong with GUI clients.
Secondly, just because *YOU* have nothing better to do with your computer than sit wanking like a chimp over Britney Spears websites and getting Pixar trailers off iTunes, does not mean that using the console is "omg like neo off the matrix I think I'm so 1337". This will AMAZE you, but there are people in this world who have jobs and/or use their computer for something more practical than mocking up celebrity porn in photoshop after a hard day's shelf-stacking.
"""Linux elitists want to kill windows, the man, and the EEEEVIL BILLY GATES, yet they ATTEMPT TO DESTROY ANY EFFORT TO DO SO!"""
WTF gives you the right to make pronouncements about what Linux users are or what they want. I guarantee you everyone else in the world, whether they use windows, Linux, Mac, BSD or Plan9 is eight times smarter than you, so the smart thing to do would be to keep your opinions on them to yourself.
Of course, I said the smart thing to do, so carry on.
Oh, and keep using Microsoft Windows, people like you are what they get paid to tolerate, the poor sods. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2http://forum.linspire.com/viewtopic.php?t=427697
http://www.cnr.com/ - subgeniusd, on 10/12/2007, -7/+9Oh please......can't any non-Ubuntu users hype their distro around here?
- barius, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2That video isn't really very impressive. It only shows the user installing a single package that they had obviously pre-selected so they could find it quickly for the video.
I've used the CNR and it has it's good points, but it doesn't quite 'hit the target' for me. There's too much clutter from unnecessary hotlinks in the left-hand control pane, the amount of detailed information on each package varies greatly (this isn't a problem limited to CNR though), and the bright Fisher-Price theme is annoying (esp. considering I love the simplicity of command-line white on black). I've also had CNR crash on me once, that was not at all pretty...hopefully that's been fixed. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2 Yeah,it takes way too much work to be a genuine, card carrying zealot . /grin/ But I appreciate the offer.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3@subgeniusd .
Afraid not.
However,on the up side, a few Diggers consider this important and have given it their thumbs up.
Why back in the old days I reckon remembering just saying the word:"Linspire" would bring out flame throwers, decontamination gear, gas masks,protective clothing and several shovels.
I really liked what Captain Tux had to say in the freespire foums about this:
http://forum.freespire.org/showthread.php?p=34297#post34297
@avram2002..I read what you said and understood it,but I think this is going to be a big plus for Linux. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I don't know. Lets ask Joe Common User
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YES! - raynevandunem, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Wait a minute...
What if they created a CNR-like system for Portage?
It would do for Gentoo systems what CNR has been doing for APT+Synaptic.
Plus, it would be more than useful for Gentoo-based home-user systems like Vidalinux, Sabayon, and Kororaa. - Zerocool82, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2This is great. I'm so happy. I like that Linspire should only do support for this and kill there distro. I only know one person that has it and it's because it was cheap pc.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2 It's Linspire,not Lindows...And it's quite good.
And if you have questions,go into the Linspire or freespire forums and ask them.
I use CNR,I like it and I think it has a lot of potential.
- InvisibleMan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2CRN is cool, but as a gentoo user I would never want to stop using the portage package system. Here is a quick how to for people not in the know: emerge stuff -> get stuff its just that easy.
- barius, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@jer2eydevil88
"Isn't the spirit of open source development to compete?"
Um...no? The point to OpenSource/Free Software is to develop a community that shares and enhances 'ideas' in the form software. These communities are typically highly technically knowledgeable and desire to share and learn from their peers. It is the antithesis of competition. However, it has proven to be extremely efficient at developing new ideas, and improving existing ideas. FS harnesses the power of communal development to produce technologies that benefit the community.
Competition does occur at the community level, however, it is not the same as competition at the consumer level. Community competition is usually the result of one group of tech-elites splitting (aka forking) away from the established community in order to follow a technological path that is inconsistent with the existing project. Unlike capitalistic competition in which companies try to take support from each other, 'competition' between FS projects typically results in multiple viable projects that actually tend to help each other. A good example of this in action is the 'competition' between KDE and GNOME who have different ideas about how a desktop should work, but each benefits from growth of the others community because of overlaps in their communities resulting in more overall development for both. The key benefit to this is that many technological paths can be explored at the same time because there can be as many communities as there are technological possibilities, and each community strengthens the rest. Proprietary development models cannot produce this effect because they must, by definition, limit the scope of their development to their own technological innovations.
For FS, competition as you think of it comes into play at a higher level. It is the purpose of companies like Red Hat, Novell and Linspire to try to harness the enormous amount of development power that these communities represent, in order to create capitalistic returns. Since the actual products themselves (the software) must be kept OpenSource in order to continue to harness and benefit from the communities, these capitalistic companies 'compete' in other areas like support and added services. - S3Indiana, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The new CNR architecture will sync with the distributions repositories on a regular basis making CNR up-to-date & equal to the distribution (IOW that's not an issue with the new CNR)...
- MVP6100, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I played with CNR a bit with Freespire 1.0 it was pretty cool.
- jshadow, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1It will be interesting to see if they're able to provide third party packages for all of those distros that aren't in the standard repos and still solve dependencies just fine. That's where I would see the advantage. No more building from source for an obscure program. I have to say I am skeptical though...
- S3Indiana, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Thousands of CNR users successfully install and use packages on a daily basis. The relatively few who post in forums usually have a beef (most satisfied customers never have a need for a forum - take a hint :)...
- cowabuse, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1***** *****. I can't wait till the malware that pores into it. You dumb *****!!!!
- brianboyko, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1How does CNR compare with Gnome's Add-Remove?
- MacSuxWindozSux, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Damn that killed my enthusiasm.
- naxx, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3IMHO, OMG, what took them so long...
- thx11384eb, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Thanks, but no thanks
- bmwboy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1CNR is good, but only for average joe, as many of the packages can be really outdated.
- EgoDemens, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Edit: wrong spot
- ADDHITMAN, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1i have linspire (like many of you here) and its just like windows like user interface wise but its just like 1000% better if you take the time and find its true potential. only problem i have is not being able to play games, but that will be fixed. linux is the future simply cause vista sux and mac is too expensive
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