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- fiver22, on 10/12/2007, -6/+87To all those who grumble that Ubuntu and Linspire are not cool because the appeal to a large audience, I say: "bugger off".
-Adoption of Linux by the 'main-stream' is a beautiful thing.- baalzebub, on 10/12/2007, -2/+36i agree, The development of sourcecode by debian, ubuntu, linspire & other debian based distros will also help other distributions of GNU/Linux as long as it is open source so users of other distros should not look at this in a bad light...
it is a win win situation...
more power to em... - avihappy, on 10/12/2007, -26/+9w00t! CnR for Ubuntu! Apple + Linux FTW!
*Waits to get dug down for usage of FTW and Apple only and Linux only fans* - lithite, on 10/12/2007, -14/+10@avihappy:
your wish is my command.
that said, this is rather spectacular news, though I can't really see it changing very much. To be honest, Ubuntu has been ready for the computer illiterate for a long time, and yet, they stay with windows. What's up with that? - mississippiman, on 10/12/2007, -17/+20they stay with windows for the same reasons they always have,
Support
Drivers
Familiarity
No one likes having to look at forums all day just to find out how to install a video game that MAY work - subgeniusd, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13@mississippiman
You got that right.
We have debated and argued this point hundreds of times here and elsewhere. Non-geeks who could migrate away from Windows but are confused by installation, upgrades and the bewildering choice of distros.
This can only be considered a _huge_development toward easing the transition away from MSFT. Anyone who argues against this is by definition a LinCultist or a paid MSFT astroturfer. - cawpin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8@fiver22 - Here, here! I have had Linspire since it was Lindows. I "bought" 4.5 and 5.0 because I got them when they were offered with a $50 instant rebate, which made them free. Linspire 5.0 was the FIRST Linux distro where my wireless worked out of the box. No setup other than putting in my wireless key. This was also on a Broadcom card which wasn't supported by any other distro. It "just worked" like it should. This is a big thing for widespread adoption. When stuff "just works" it "just gets used" by the wide market.
- sailor, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6This can be good for all linux users...I will continue to use Fedora Core 6. I don't think linux is all that hard to understand and use...the problem lies with the users who don't care what is 'under the hood"...I personally think that any computer user who wants to fully utilize his system, needs to learn its inner workings.
I know in the real world the easy way is the path followed by many...so be it! Linux in any form is a more secure and stable OS than windows.(and don't start with the "small number of users" makes it less of a target). Linux security is superior because of the permissions based security system...period!
All linux users benefit as our numbers grow...software makers will start taking notice...hardware makers will take notice...we will have the drivers we need and the software we want...it is just a matter of time :) - mshade, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Agreed. This will also make things like Automatix and EasyUbuntu a thing of the past with one-click installation of proprietary drivers, codecs, etc.
See also a link to the Canonical announcement:
http://www.ubuntu.com/news/LinspirePartnership - EgoDemens, on 10/12/2007, -5/+13Seriously people, to not be taken as a troll, can you drop the ***** drivers argument? Windows is no better, people were here just yesterday bitching about the piss poor state of nVidia drivers on Vista. A lot of things just work for both OSes yet somethings just piss you the ***** off.
Familiarity however is one of the best arguments I have ever seen, a true 'average Joe' problem. I remember how many people whined about how XP was garbage because they changed the UI so much - "Where the hell is My Computer? In the start menu?! What kind of piece of ***** windows is this? ***** this, I'm going back to 98/2000" - bombadier337, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4@egodemens
While I agree driver support is pretty damn good in Linux, the lack of a unified installation method definately scares new users away. On my current laptop, sound only worked with an svn build of alsa, and most users are not comfortable compiling code. All I'm saying is anyone can use device manager in windows, and click next when new hardware is found, but its not always that easy in Linux.
**I use Ubuntu 95+% of the time. - mississippiman, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2I'll say this, usually a linux distro has Most drivers these days (even wireless which was always a big problem in the past) so its not an issue like it was. But users still like to be able to install software without having to compile code. 90% of Pc users don't know how, and don't want to know how.
- cdmarcus, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5The install method is much more consistent in Linux than in Windows. In Windows, installers can look completely different from each other. In Linux, your package manager won't randomly switch to a different UI. As for software that isn't in their distribution's repositories, people just need to learn to look for the right type of file for their distribution. Most software that the developers only provide install scripts for can be found packaged nicely on the web.
- prammy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Sadly enough that was the reason people started hating Red Hat, because it became too mainstream. I never understood how some people would want widespread linux adoption on one hand, but at the same time deride successful linux companies as too 'mainstream' on the other.
The only thing I hated about Red Hat before was the dependency hell issues. But the release for apt for rpm and up2date fixed that back during Red Hat 8.0 and 9.0.
If LFS becomes popular tomorrow, then people will call that too mainstream :) - mickstephenson, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@ sailor, you're 100% right. If linux was vulnerable MS would have went out of there way to demonstrate this, but they havent.
- baalzebub, on 10/12/2007, -2/+36i agree, The development of sourcecode by debian, ubuntu, linspire & other debian based distros will also help other distributions of GNU/Linux as long as it is open source so users of other distros should not look at this in a bad light...
- Waterrat, on 10/12/2007, -3/+23 You know, I had a feeling Linspire and either Ubuntu or OpenSUSE were going to do this.
I feel this is very good news for Linux on the desktop. Linux now has a universal installer( CNR) thanks to the good folks at Linspire and now Linux will get a real shot in the arm as a result of this partnership.
I see it as a win-win situation for all involved.- saftaplan, on 10/12/2007, -5/+17How is apt-get not a universal installer? You can use it in most non-debian-based distro's too. Why is CNR such a bliss? I really want to know...
- darkchild, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7I don't think openSUSE would have been the ideal candidate for such a relationship with Linspire. They are built on fundamentally different technologies. Ubuntu and Linspire share the same heritage i.e. they are Debian based so such a relationship makes sense.
- GMorgan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6CnR supports RPM apparently though. Linspire will only be repackaging a few tools and will use the defaults for Ubuntu and would have done so for SUSE. It would not have been ideal but wouldn't have been as much work to get it out as you'd think. The main drawback would be retraining support staff.
- rmjb, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11@saftaplan: CNR is a "bliss" because now an ISV, lets say Adobe for argument's sake, can release one binary package in CNR that will hit the top 5 desktop distros. It's foundation like this we need to continue Linux adoption.
- saftaplan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8If the only reason is that it's easier for companies to release closed software (and are thus less pushed to make applications open source) then I think this is not a good evolution. Open source apps are prettey rapidly included in repositories from all major distro's when they're good/popular enough imho.
- rmjb, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5While open source software is great, and I personally prefer open source alternatives to closed ones, there are those out there that want/need certain proprietary apps on Linux, and it's these apps that keep them where they are or cause them to move back. If multi-distro CNR can deliver these people their one or two apps and keep them on Linux I'd say hooray for it.
- darkchild, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@GMorgan
Yes CNR rupports rpm, but the organisation of the filesystem and file locations in Debian based distros is fundamentally different when compared to SUSE. What this would mean is that Linspire would have to do double the work and create a package for SUSE and then another for Lin/FreeSpire. Since the new Linspire will be based on Ubuntu, it means that there is more compatibility and less duplication of effort. - BlackAdderIII, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1"""hit the top 5 desktop distros."""
CnR releases will? You're dreaming there, I think. Maybe my perceptions are way out of whack - I work with/know loads of Linux users and have never met one who uses CnR.
I think it would be the Adobe app bringing CnR to people's desktops, not the other way around, to be honest.
"""Yes CNR rupports rpm, but the organisation of the filesystem and file locations in Debian based distros is fundamentally different when compared to SUSE."""
Not a problem that's likely to actually present a practical obstacle - I think you may have a somewhat exaggerated/mystical idea of how hard it is, with respect.
By the way, it's really not "fundamentally" different.
- schestowitz, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12So the major question may be: what happens to CNR and Synaptic? Convergence? Yesterday the following was published:
Linspire sheds light on new "wiki-ized" CNR
,----[ Quote ]
| Carmony explained, "We want Linux to succeed on the desktop. We
| want Debian, Fedora, openSUSE, Ubuntu, and all other Linux
| distributions to get as many users as possible. The real
| challenge for Linspire isn't from the other Linux distributions,
| but from the legacy hold Microsoft has on the desktop."
|
| "The other Linux distributions are our brothers in arms,"
| Carmony added. "Helping fight the monopoly of the mind
| Microsoft has over so many PC users. CNR.com will solve
| many problems for all desktop Linux distributions, such as
| providing hardware drivers and multimedia codecs, which will
| help them grow and succeed."
`----
http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS6212745494.html- S3Indiana, on 10/12/2007, -4/+14CNR and Synaptic are two different methods of installing software (both are compatible using the same repositories). CNR provides more information about the packages and Synaptic tends to be more streamlined (different strokes for different folks :)...
- Noah0504, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6Very exciting.
- salinemist, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11For good or bad we're seeing the emergence of a uber-distro that will be eventually be know as "linux" to the masses with every other distro becoming ancillary.
- stmiller, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12I think we are just seeing the emergence of an 'easy' distro for home users. Geeks will still use their Gentoo, Debian, Fedora, etc. As well as companies who use Redhat with contracts and such (IBM). I think this will just brand ubuntu/linspire as the home brew easy sort of distro. Which is not a bad thing.
So I don't think this is going to push Suse, Fedora, Gentoo, or others to the sidelines. It will just further focus the target crowd of ubuntu. - Waterrat, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3 Yes,I'm thinking the same thing. But the writing has been on the wall for this very thing to take place.
When i first saw the headline,I thought these two were going to become one massive distro and have a new name. Such appears not to be the case.
And thanks for the explanation, darkchild. More input is always a good thing. - groggyboy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3salinemist: i think your a little paranoid to say that CnR=the emergence of an uber-distro. Carmony has himself said that the new CnR will support many distros. It'll package .debs for Debian/Ubuntu/MEPIS/Linspire, .rpms for openSUSE/Fedora/Mandriva, slackware packages, hell, it may include source files for Gentoo junkies. Sounds like it's gonna be supporting many distros. I figure, if this CnR technology becomes widely accepted, it's more likely to result in the creation of an uber package management system than an uber distro. Which, given the current state of linux packaging systems, may not be such a bad thing. Makes it easier for a program developed for one distro to spread across to other distros. in my mind, that's a good thing for the small single-programmer projects, the large corporate projects, and everything in between.
- cquilliam, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"For good or bad we're seeing the emergence of a uber-distro that will be eventually be know as "linux" to the masses with every other distro becoming ancillary."
Don't forget that not too long ago, this was the case. Back when Redhat was distributing their desktop distribution under the "Redhat" flag (instead of Fedora), Redhat was almost always referred to as just "linux" but newcommers.
I can't count the number of times i've seen on linuxhelp.net forums "I have a copy of Linux 7.1 installed.......". While it was not the "uber-distro", it was well-known by many. - sanguinemoon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Groggyboy is correct about it creating an uber packaging system and not an uber distro. But I don't think it will actually be any easier then synaptic or Adept (KDE) or whatever that add/remove thing on the Gnome menu is called.
It certainly will not cause a mass migration of Windows users Linux that I can see. I don't see a Windows user saying "Ohhh cool! Ubuntu is now using Freespire's packager! I better switch to Linux right now!"
- stmiller, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12I think we are just seeing the emergence of an 'easy' distro for home users. Geeks will still use their Gentoo, Debian, Fedora, etc. As well as companies who use Redhat with contracts and such (IBM). I think this will just brand ubuntu/linspire as the home brew easy sort of distro. Which is not a bad thing.
- GMorgan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4So what we are talking about is Linspire becoming an Ubuntu clone that offers legal codecs out of the box. Essentially this will make Ubuntu, Mepis and Linspire one and the same with a few differences wrt default packages.
- StueyB, on 10/12/2007, -9/+0I can bet you CNR source wont be available. Open Source software from Linspire, don't think so. Hypocrites if you ask me.
- pixelmixer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2i believe thats why its diggworthy
- daeken, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Yea, because they didn't release source to LPhoto, LSongs, phonegaim (they funded its development), nvu (tons of money went there), or any number of other projects. Oh, wait, yes they did. Sorry for the confusion...
- fires, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2From the FAQ:
>> Is the CNR Plugin open source and are the web services it uses published publicly?
>> Yes and yes.
Thanks Linspire!
- pixelmixer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2i believe thats why its diggworthy
- cyrus007, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3Had a question which did not get answered in the FAQ. Will it be possible to upgrade from one system to another ? Say I have Ubuntu now but when the next release comes out, I want to upgrade to Freespire and want to migrate to the look, feel and usability of Freespire. It seems that one might be able to upgrade form (K)Ubuntu to Freespire but not the other way round.
- pixelmixer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4im not sure its so much of an Upgrade as it is installing a new OS.
- cquilliam, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I highly doubt that moving from one distro to the next will be that easy
- jlebrech, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3Winbuntu!!!
- Waterrat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Linbuntu!
- stmiller, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Macbuntu?
- Waterrat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Linbuntu!
- nuxx, on 10/12/2007, -7/+7y'know, ever since hoary hedgehog, i've been saying that Ubu will be the one to unite the linux community, hell, even Linus Torvalds and co. began to say the same thing after a while. Now, here's my predictions for the future of Desktop Linux, given this new development.
1. TransGaming will fully Open-source Cedega and offer it on CNR
2. Novell will no longer develop SuSE, as Microsoft will try to buy it off of them, use it to create something similar, and fail miserably.
3. Red Hat and Fedora will finally die, because the technology they are based on (ie the RPM packaging system and the YUM package manager, are inherently flawed and outdated)
4. Linspire will drop it's commercial distribution, hand Freespire over to someone else, and will henceforth function as an iTunes Music Store-like solution for Linux Software.
5. Canonical will keep Ubuntu and it's splinter distributions free for download, and offer professionally pressed versions for a small fee, and will begin selling merchandise such as Ubuntu certification study guides, subscriptions to web-based periodicals, etc. as well as an "Enterprise-ready" edition of the OS, which will come with a subscription-based tech support service among other perks. It will remain free for Desktop users, as I said, and the desktop version will continue to focus on the tightly-knit, community-based support it has become well-known for.- polymorphist, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3"2. Novell will no longer develop SuSE, as Microsoft will try to buy it off of them, use it to create something similar, and fail miserably."
This reminds me of Virtual PC...MS bought it, continued developing it for a while and abandoned it all together... - cquilliam, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4"1. TransGaming will fully Open-source Cedega and offer it on CNR"
Good luck trying to open-source proprietary code protected under NDA's
"2. Novell will no longer develop SuSE, as Microsoft will try to buy it off of them, use it to create something similar, and fail miserably."
I find this very hard to believe. Novell has made a major shift in their business model in the past 3-4 years that relies heavily on Linux and the SUSE brand. I really don't see them abandoning it or selling it off to the highest bidder. - anmol2k4, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3cannot disagree with you more.
Please tell my why corporations and projects mission critical in nature rely on a flawed product ?
Oracle Enterprise Linux Scientific Linux White Box Enterprise Linux are relying on a flawed app ? - wounded625, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2if transgamin would open source cedega, my life would be complete. making it open source will allow anyway to make a game work with it. that could be the deciding factor that would make gamers choose linux. also, if cedega were made open source, developers could incorporate the code into their games making it easily installable on linux, which means we could finally start seeing GAMES FOR LINUX on our pc games. ah, but that is all a dream.
- Shadowman, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7"3. Red Hat and Fedora will finally die, because the technology they are based on (ie the RPM packaging system and the YUM package manager, are inherently flawed and outdated)"
You obviously have no experience in an Enterprise Linux environment. Keep your Burger King job. - harisund, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Here's what I am thinking will happen next --
Ubuntu/Canonical becomes extremely successful, and slowly shifts from a "don't be evil" mentality. They start adding proprietary goods. Canonical becomes rich and eventually the next Microsoft. They have a monopoly over the market.
Linspire will be reduced to a company that just provides software for this Ubuntu thing.
For a while, people will, not knowing better, start equating Ubuntu to Linux in general, and slowly Ubuntu becomes a bloatware. Not unlike another operating system just released, Ubuntu will start having heavy minimum requirements.
This much I am guessing will definitely happen. What happens after this, I do not know. Will we have a new Linus equivalent that comes up with something drastically different? Will FreeBSD become the in thing? - johnthedebs, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1"This reminds me of Virtual PC...MS bought it, continued developing it for a while and abandoned it all together..."
I know this article is about something completely different but:
A beta version of Virtual PC 2007 is available. And it's free. - nuxx, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2OK, so maybe the whole open source cedega thing was a bit more wishful thinking than a prediction...i still firmly believe in everything else i said though, and that includes the demise of Red Hat, Fedora and the RPM package format, why?
Because again, for as much as RPM, YUM, Fedora and all things Red Hat have been a boon to (*snicker*...a boon to...ubuntu) the Linux community for a very long time, to say that it won't die off is just silly, because it's just natural progression...new, better ideas come along and push the old ones out, it's called evolution...and the Linux world has evolved past YUM, same with Slackware.
APT makes sense because it is just as powerful as YUM, but with a fraction of the time (in fact in my experience, hardly at all) spent drudging around in dependancy hell. and now with the addition of CNR, I feel that in a very short while, RPM will no longer be relevant, that does not mean that the distributions that splintered off from it are irrelevant, things like Oracle Enterprise Linux, White Box, etc. could still continue, they'd probably just switch package managers and formats, gradually mind you, but i can see it happening nonetheless. - lnxaddct, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3nuxx,
Words are easy to throw around, care to back them up with something substantial? What advantages does DEB provide over RPM, in particular in the enterprise. Please note that the two largest linux companies, Red Hat and Novell, both use RPM. They also happen to be the two largest contributing entities to Linux and many other open source projects, and by a good margin (grep @redhat.com sometime in the kernel source) Also please elaborate on any definitive advantages that APT provides over YUM from a technical point of view. The only thing I like in APT is it's speed, but YUM makes up for that in other ways (not to mention it is still pretty damn fast).I have a feeling that you don't know what you're talking about. You mentioned new and better ideas, yet Fedora is leading the pack in that area. Look at what they've been doing with both security and virtualization, which are the two biggest things but there is plenty more. Also, you don't want the demise of Red Hat, you'd see a ton of open source development stop dead over night. Don't believe me, check for yourself:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RedHatContributions
http://www.sourceware.org/projects.html
Check your facts before screaming "me too". - prammy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2"3. Red Hat and Fedora will finally die, because the technology they are based on (ie the RPM packaging system and the YUM package manager, are inherently flawed and outdated)"
Care to explain why they are flawed and outdated? Maybe you should write up a report and send a copy over to the many fortune 500 companies who are using it. Be sure to cc a copy to IDC, Forbes etc. You should probably link to the post you made on digg where you revealed this startling bit of information to the rest of the world. You should also have them fire their analysts and hire you.
- polymorphist, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3"2. Novell will no longer develop SuSE, as Microsoft will try to buy it off of them, use it to create something similar, and fail miserably."
- TheSeeker11, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Anything that brings Linux to the fore is a good thing in my opinion. You'll always get some decrying the bastardisation of Debian but hey, the average user wants things to work out of the box. After all, your computer should serve you, not the other way around.
- nuxx, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3As well, I predict a proliferation of OEM versions of the Desktop edition provided on PCs from vendors.
- nuxx, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3not to mention I predict that a Universal Binary-like idea will eventually make its way onto Ubuntu, it has already been talked about in both the mac and linux communities, from what i understand.
- raynevandunem, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2You mean one that is compiled to run on more than one CPU architecture?
I dunno, wouldn't that be a bit heavy on the CPU to include binary support for Firefox on Debian on two architectures at the same time?
http://melodiefabriek.nl/2006/05/27/universal-binary-linux/
Plus, I seriously wonder about the viability of commercial Linux desktop distributions for other architectures, since the market for PowerPC desktop computers died with Apple going Intel.
Now, maybe for game consoles and embedded devices which use every other architecture but x86, but for the desktop? - anmol2k4, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Dude you predict a lot.
Few will come true and few will not.
nothing special
- raynevandunem, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2You mean one that is compiled to run on more than one CPU architecture?
- dukeinlondon, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3A better Linspire (it has to be, based on Ubuntu) and a more attractive way to install linux software for all other distros, sounds like "win/win" happens in linuxland afterall.
plus it's one of the first times that distros actually collaborate to address common issues. Sign of maturity of some actors ?- anmol2k4, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4"A better Linspire (it has to be, based on Ubuntu)"
Why ?
- anmol2k4, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4"A better Linspire (it has to be, based on Ubuntu)"
- anmol2k4, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3CNR is great, my brother is planning to covert over to the bright side and i thought Freespire was what he needed but the version 1 is.................XGL.................... and version 2.............is bit incomplete and ubuntu 7 was not having CNR which by the way is great because one who is not familiar with linux can without any body's help can install apps easily. It is better for those who don't know what to apt-get yum emerge.
Great news
But wait a minute Kubuntu Mepis Linspire Freespire. Sooo all we have got is a different skin thats it.
I think Freespire should come with KDE4 and Kubuntu with 3 and mepis should get merged with kubuntu.- wounded625, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3or all the KDE based distros should merge! then they could have 2 disks, one for KDE 3 and one for KDE 4. it could be called kepispire!
- anmol2k4, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@ wounded625
Dude i love KDE, all i am trying to say is that there is no point of having 4 or more KDE DE and ubuntu based distro.
They should specialize or get merged if they don't have too much in difference.
Actually i am dying to get KDE4.
- Shadowman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Most people seem to agree that "going Ubuntu" hasn't helped Mepis. Personally, I don't think this "Linux Distro A, which is based on Distro B, which is based on Distro C, which is based on Distro D, ..." is a good thing.
- anmol2k4, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2true true
- nuxx, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3"Keep your Burger King job."
Funny....I'm a Web Developer for a firm in Toronto, and have about 3 or 4 years as a Linux Admin....I love it when presumptious nerds try and piss on me for having an opinion...it makes us all look so much more intelligent.- rmerrick, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1>>"You obviously have no experience in an Enterprise Linux environment. Keep your Burger King job."
Looks like you got dissed and dismissed. Isn't it funny that personal attacks on Digg actually work? Shadowman disqualified your opinion with an ad hominem attack. He points out that you are "obviously" not informed or experienced enough to state an opinion because of your possible employment with a fast food franchise. He probably doesn't really believe that you work for Burger King, but if he can convince others he will "win" the argument by getting your comment(s) dugg down.
Sorry, but I'm going to digg him up and you down. Not because his argument had much technical merit, but because I am now suspicious of your qualifications on this topic. What if he's right and you really are a Burger King employee? And I wouldn't want him to accuse me of working in a restaurant too. That is the advantage of the ad hominem attack, and why it is so effective here on Digg. You should give it a try the next time you respond to Shadowman. I would respect your opinion more.
- rmerrick, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1>>"You obviously have no experience in an Enterprise Linux environment. Keep your Burger King job."
- whi73rav3n, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1http://www.helpero.com/news/Computers/Linux/UBUNTU-vs-SUSE-vs-FEDORA_20.html
- stelt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1They should together take over http://freedomdrive.org and implement the ideas mentioned there
- avram2002, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1And so, yet another mile or so down the slippery slope to oblivion. At least this "CNR" thing will be optional in Ubuntu (one can only hope). But, then again, perhaps I should begin my hara-kiri practice now, in the event it contaminates more than just Lindows.
- sworoc, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1That's an interesting thought which I've been entertaining the past few days. It seems that eventually proprietary solutions in Linux do move aside for open-source solutions, which is obviously a very wonderful thing. Developers can interact with different pieces of the OS much easier when they know what's going on behind the curtain.
However, this contamination that you are talking about is a somewhat real threat. Not in the software department, in the user department. I am no elitist, but I do think that there is a certain benefit to avoiding making Linux "Windows-like" so everybody that doesn't know how to use a computer can use Linux.
These are the users that ultimately complain about every little thing that doesn't work the way they want it to, and they will be a negative influence on the Linux community. They don't see any benefit to open-source other than "it's free" and will strongly oppose distros like Debian, Gentoo, and Slackware that seem to be very pro-open source, even sometimes at the cost of usability in the short-term.
If Linux becomes more like Windows just to gain the Windows users that want to get everything for free, then they really haven't gained anything other than a headache and maybe a little better support from hardware companies.
Linux needs to keep its identity, at least as a whole. I don't mind if one small set of distros tries to be beginner friendly, I just think that turning around and trying to change the others will be a shame.
- sworoc, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1That's an interesting thought which I've been entertaining the past few days. It seems that eventually proprietary solutions in Linux do move aside for open-source solutions, which is obviously a very wonderful thing. Developers can interact with different pieces of the OS much easier when they know what's going on behind the curtain.
- uazzhole, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Hell, I have been on the net 2 damn days trying to figure out how to ICS linux.......
This is a good thing for linux, and about damn time.....Linux is going to take over the world....MMmuuuaahhhhh....... - Waterrat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1 And here is more on this interesting turn of events:
http://desktoplinux.com/news/NS3891369349.html
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