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- parax, on 12/21/2007, -4/+39I think it's a mistake to start mixing LTS and non-LTS in same numbered versions of the OS. It's a perception thing, just another detail to confuse the public.
- TeacherOfHeroes, on 12/21/2007, -2/+22"Ahh the old KDE vs Gnome argument" - By all means, waste no time starting the pointless debate up again.
- sajnikanth, on 12/21/2007, -7/+24LTS or not, I am all excited about it.
- TeacherOfHeroes, on 12/21/2007, -1/+188.04 will be released in the fourth month (April) of 2008. Hence the version number.
- HerbertScrunge, on 12/21/2007, -3/+19Richard "nixternal" Johnson (Kubuntu dev)'s blog has some interesting info/ comments:
http://blog.nixternal.com/2007.12.20/kubuntu-804-f ... - krusader3z, on 12/21/2007, -6/+21I don't know what this means for me.
- inactive, on 12/21/2007, -12/+26This could be the 'ubuntu way' to get rid of Kubuntu as a corporate ubuntu platform. After all, kubuntu is that forgotten cousin from Iowa to Canonical.
- akkibaba, on 12/21/2007, -3/+15There may come a day where troll and human can live in peace, but it is not this day. So, GTFO troll.
- childprey, on 12/21/2007, -1/+12how's Smarch 2201 treating you?
- mercurysquad, on 12/21/2007, -0/+11Long Term Support (=support for 3 years on desktop and 5 years on server). Regular releases are only supported for 18 months.
- geminitojanus, on 12/21/2007, -3/+14Probably nothing.
Unless you buy software support from Canonical or are a software developer looking for a version of software to target for optimal usability, it's a meaningless decision. And the latter case factors in even less as you realize that (*)buntu isn't the only distribution in the world (though probably the most popular).
LTS releases are intended to be supported for long periods of time, which means the software will become highly predictable and stable. KDE4 will still be a massive gob of brand new code by the time Hardy is released, and thusly making the decision to include it would mean the software would be incredibly fragile, bug patching would be an almost daily process and the backports repository would swell up to the size of Texas. This makes it an incredibly bad choice to choose to stabilize on top of.
The other option they had was to simply continue on with KDE 3.5 and make KDE 4 completely unsupported (not even placing it in Universe would work, because of the former problems). KDE 4 is going to be highly demanded, and not including it would be a mistake, so in reality this was the only choice they could make. - geminitojanus, on 12/21/2007, -0/+11Actually it's very easy to understand: Main is officially (read: Canonical) supported. Everything else is community supported.
- maino82, on 12/21/2007, -0/+9they will probably have kubuntu4-desktop and kubuntu-desktop to choose from, or something similar
- Flanker, on 12/21/2007, -1/+9Long term support. More or less, it means you get 36 months of security updates instead of the standard 18.
Also, Google can almost always help you if you feel like you don't know something. No need to throw a hissy fit. - Ademan, on 12/21/2007, -0/+8Or maybe it's just their way of appeasing two crowds, giving cutting edge KDE4 and giving "old" kde 3.5, although I don't really see why the 3.5 version couldn't be LTS, unless that's just too much extra confusion (as if it's not enough confusing already)
- RawSewage, on 12/21/2007, -3/+11Seems like Canonical wishes there was only GNOME. What are the main KDE-specific distros now?
- geminitojanus, on 12/21/2007, -1/+9Canonical supports Ubuntu releases for 18 months, and LTS releases for 3 years on the desktop (twice as long) or 5 years on the server.
- spankee666, on 12/21/2007, -2/+10I don't know about this. From a branding perspective, this is going to be very confusing.
- Fritzed, on 12/21/2007, -0/+7Yes, but from the sound of this post, neither will be LTS. Perhaps I am just misunderstanding and kde 3.5 will be supported in LTS. If not, they would have to move it out of the primary repository.
- inactive, on 12/21/2007, -0/+6not all Ubuntu and Kubuntu users are newbies. I run Kubuntu on my desktop and laptop, but I have an LFS distro on my fileserver that I compiled and built myself. For my laptop and Desktop, I wasn't looking for high security and uptime, I wanted ease of use, my file server needed a little more. Different Distros for different applications, the same peg will not fit in all sizes of round holes.
- cwilson, on 12/21/2007, -0/+5The reason doesn't matter to me, livingdots. I blocked them either way.
- inactive, on 12/21/2007, -1/+6"Kubuntu is *****, KDE4 is *****, it all works out!"
sounds pretty trollish to me - livingdots, on 12/21/2007, -0/+4Are you by any chance a retard?
... or just just behaving like a retarded spammer? - Disfnord, on 12/21/2007, -0/+4The problem is they don't have enough developers to do a LTS with 3.5 and maintain a non LTS KDE4 package as well. They're worried that they will fall behind other distros if they don't add KDE4 as soon as possible, which brings me back to the OP's question: What are the main KDE-specific distros now? (they one's they are worried they will lose popularity to?)
- zwaldowski, on 12/21/2007, -0/+4The Kubuntu team would spend too much time creating security/bug fixes for KDE 3.5 packages (which would be falling out of use during the lifetime of the LTS), not enough time advancing Kubuntu's KDE 4.
- makario, on 09/03/2009, -6/+9If you run Kubuntu, you'll have the option of sticking to KDE 3.5, which will be pretty much an updated bug-fixed version of what you already have, or the new, revolutionary KDE 4, which will have quite a few revamps, bells and whistles, etc.
In addition, since this release won't be LTS, it won't be supported for two years after its release, but rather the regular 6 months, meaning when the next version comes out, the 8.04 will begin to be obsolete. (If you update anyway to run the latest and greatest, this has no effect on you.) - Fritzed, on 12/21/2007, -4/+7This seems a bit awkward because they share repositories. What if I apt-get install kubuntu-desktop?
- GMorgan, on 12/21/2007, -1/+4They aren't. The next version won't be LTS at all, basically they are bumping it to 8.10.
- RawSewage, on 12/21/2007, -0/+3Ok, maybe I was too hasty. That was probably the reason.
- Fritzed, on 12/21/2007, -1/+3Standard (k)ubuntu releases are supported for 18 months, LTS releases are supported for 36 months.
- arizonagroove, on 12/21/2007, -0/+2throw. Not through.
I think they're just being cautious. Have you seen KDE 4? What they branded as the first release candidate was nowhere near ready for release. I'm excited about KDE 4 but also somewhat wary of when it will really be solidly usable. - stoanhart, on 12/21/2007, -0/+2Are you sure about that? I think Ubuntu 8.04 will still be LTS, just not Kubuntu 8.04
- MrViklund, on 12/21/2007, -2/+4I have always thought that KDE was better then Gnome. But who cares really. 18 months of support. That's a damn long time. And by then you have already upgraded to a new version I bet. So if you don't run a server or Linux in a corporation I don't see LTS as anything important.
- autoatsakiklis, on 12/21/2007, -0/+2August is 8th month of the year.
- inactive, on 12/21/2007, -1/+3What? how can august be the 4th month?
Kubuntu and even Ubuntu is not big enough to start changing the order the months go in - arizonagroove, on 12/21/2007, -0/+2Y'know - I'm sure they've thought of such things.
- zwaldowski, on 12/21/2007, -0/+1Isn't restricted also officially supported? At least, as they can?
Multiverse and Universe are community-supported, without a doubt. One is for mostly proprietary stuff, and the other is for the rest of the FOSS that is too old/too unsupportable/not included in main (I can't remember). - MinaSulo, on 12/21/2007, -6/+7I agree that KDE>Gnome (because it doesn't restrict user configuration, and in fact provides it in a very easy way.), but I do not support KDE4 on 8.04.
I think that KDE4 will be very awesome, as do many others, but right now it has too many bugs for a SECOND release candidate.
I have installed Kubuntu on my wife's laptop, and I don't _prefer_ it, but I wouldn't go out of my way to call it *****. So ***** you very much. - MattBD, on 12/23/2007, -0/+1I'm sure that this was a very hard decision for them to make, as so many people are really eager for KDE4. Ultimately, I think they made the right one, and the lack of LTS, while regrettable, is probably necessary.
And this way it gives us a choice - we can stick with the stability of KDE 3.5.8, or make the move to KDE4. - alperea, on 12/21/2007, -0/+1Wow think of all the nerd chicks I could meet :P
- jimbren, on 12/22/2007, -0/+1Didn't shuttleworth say he uses it? I wouldn't call it a forgotten cousin when it is the environment of choice to your founder...
- missingnoh4x, on 12/21/2007, -1/+2So wait, if they're releasing both a version with KDE 4.0 and a version with 3.5, will the 3.5 one still be LTS? I'm confused here.
- Disfnord, on 12/21/2007, -0/+1Nope, they are releasing one version with both KDE4 and 3.5, and it won't be LTS.
- redxxx, on 12/21/2007, -3/+4I use KDE instead of Gnome cause I think it is prettier and like the layout better.
If you've used KDE since 0.9 and not had any complaints, you need higher standards and it is good your not working on development. - tikal26, on 12/21/2007, -0/+1I think that if you choose to install kde 3.5.x you get an lst release, but you are given the option to install 4.0 which at first I thought was pointless since the applicaton are not ready, but by april things like Amarok, Koffice, and other should be at least at beta or RC ready
- zwaldowski, on 12/21/2007, -0/+1Oh, I see. Kubuntu 8.04 will just be bugfixes of Kubuntu Gutsy (I'd imagine, with Hardy's kernel and such) while the team works on Kubuntu 8.10 LTS. ?
- cmost, on 12/23/2007, -0/+0This is the best comment ever!
- jordoex, on 06/02/2008, -0/+0So thats the version numbers... I've never looked into it but always wondered why ubuntu started with version 4... silly me.
- wheatley, on 12/22/2007, -0/+0MEPIS, Opensuse, PCLinuxOS and Mandriva seem the main contenders. There's also Arklinux, Arch Linux and ArchMod, Pardus Linux... And Fedora has a dedicated KDE group as well, so plenty to choose from.
- jordoex, on 06/02/2008, -0/+0It's a joke people, cmon, internet ppl aren't that foolish, are they?
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