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Koala will be 'a definitive shift' for Ubuntu Linux

techradar.com — Koala will be 'a definitive shift' for Ubuntu Linux Ubuntu founder Mark Shuttleworth : TechRadar UK

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  • rchargel, on 07/08/2009, -0/+93Lacks anything substantive. Allow me to summarize interview:

    Linux Format Magazine: "Will you do/use [insert technology/design/framework]?"
    Mark Shuttleworth: "Maybe, but we're not at that level of making decisions yet."
  • cooleo_no1, on 07/08/2009, -4/+46Ever since Microsoft bought Ubuntu they've changed.

    Not cool man, not cool.
  • trogdoor, on 07/08/2009, -0/+33This is a somewhat old interview, unfortunately plymouth will not be used for Karmic ( the rationale was that boot speeds are quickly becoming so good that a boot splash won't be needed and so it's not worth the effort ).
  • 8085ta, on 07/08/2009, -2/+29I never saw the point in splash screens on anything. I know what OS and App I'm launching, why do I need it advertising in my face? Pointless bloat and a waste of time.
  • 4AntiStupid, on 07/08/2009, -1/+28It's also rather vague. Why will it be a definitive shift?
  • PsychoBrat, on 07/08/2009, -0/+26Some indicator of what's going on is obviously necessary, or there is nothing on screen to differentiate between a booting system and a frozen system.

    I certainly believe that boot splashes should be easy to disable in favour of the traditional text boot for those who like it like that (myself included for some machines), but the fact remains that most users do not want to see lines of -- what is to them -- unintelligible garbage scrolling up the screen.

    Ubuntu is targeted at the general user, so it makes sense to have a boot splash by default.
  • devnullDood, on 07/08/2009, -0/+18He had me at "semi-nude people"
  • PsychoBrat, on 07/08/2009, -1/+16For those who completely missed this:

    http://linuxologist.com/linuxhumor/ubuntu-is-a-mic ...
  • LiquidIse, on 07/08/2009, -1/+16"...Ubuntu Linux Ubuntu founder..."

    I am going to go ahead and forward this to the department of redundancy department
  • thecheatah, on 07/08/2009, -0/+12Honestly I have always thought that the next version is significantly better. What I remember about the last release is the message notification system. It looks very nice and professional. Also the introduction of the dark themes.

    Also ALL of my computers booted faster.

    Lets see prettier + usability + faster booting. In a 6 month release cycle, I say that is pretty good.
  • SteveMax, on 07/08/2009, -0/+11Besides, it can hide important warnings from the boot process (most splashes disappear on errors, but not on warnings or unintended behaviour), so problems that should be obvious need some tracking to be fixed.
  • RadiantSilver, on 07/08/2009, -2/+11Lame article. So basically they are thinking of changing the color scheme, and entertaining us with animations of dancing vegetables during the extended bloat opera boot cycle. w00t
  • apzdsx, on 07/08/2009, -7/+14Every day is the year of the Linux.
  • PsychoBrat, on 07/08/2009, -0/+7Assuming your comment was only half done-to-death joke, and still half real question: approximately October 29th.

    See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicReleaseSchedule for details.
  • martalli, on 07/08/2009, -2/+9They are always claiming that the next release will be snappier or prettier. I´ll believe it when I see it, but it is still a great Linux that just works.
  • tomasmarc, on 07/08/2009, -7/+14Was I the only one to misread 'shift' in quite a bizarre way?..
  • MWeather, on 07/08/2009, -0/+6"How bout making really cool apps that you can't live without."

    Ubuntu doesn't make apps, they distribute them in a bundle called a "distribution".
  • MWeather, on 07/08/2009, -3/+9@Meep3D "There is a massive difference between a server os and a desktop os"

    Not when it comes to Linux. Why do you think the completely fair scheduler was written?

    @emotecontrol "If the operating system requires you to be able to code in order to get it to work properly, it is not ready for the general public."

    Agreed. Thankfully Linux doesn't suffer from that problem.
  • MWeather, on 07/08/2009, -0/+5No biggie. Most Windows users do the same, and they have actual malware in the wild to worry about.
  • SteveMax, on 07/08/2009, -5/+10Considering Ubuntu's default appearance, that's completely understandable.
  • Dream0Weaver, on 07/08/2009, -0/+4Well, I'm still using Ubuntu 8.10 because I can't get Intel HDA/IDT sound from Ubuntu 9.04.
  • ThirdPrize, on 07/08/2009, -5/+9When is "kinky koala" due out?
  • krisrm, on 07/08/2009, -1/+5It means they're missing *some* (approximately half) of their clothes, but not all of them.
  • endoffile, on 07/08/2009, -4/+7Anybody else read it as "definitive *****"?
  • SuperMoses, on 07/08/2009, -3/+6It's crap??? Yet it powers most of the web, including google. Ignoramus.

    You'd also inevitably hear about it through the Android diggs, since it's also powered by Linux.
  • diggtochina, on 07/08/2009, -3/+6i love how people get this sense of entitlement that Linux or anything open source should work perfectly and if it doesn't its *****. Its OPEN SOURCE so instead of bitching about something not working or lacking a feature one can either program it, design it, or implement it them self or STFU
  • Benno, on 07/08/2009, -0/+3"geeks" probably have -nosplash set.
  • Meep3D, on 07/08/2009, -5/+8Stop claiming its good if you admit it's crap and refuse to listen to anyone who has a problem. If it wasn't for freetards constantly trying to jam it down everyones throats we wouldn't even know about it.
  • rangah, on 07/08/2009, -0/+3I'm not saying that anyone should ignore warnings in general, but a lot of perfectly stable linux boxes will report a lot of warnings at boot. They can be things as simple as warning you that a method of doing something is depreciated or unneeded. I think a lot of people think something is wrong or broken, and will search out solutions ultimately wasting many people's time just to learn "oh, that's normal. It'll stop doing that on the next release anyway."

    Splash screens are certainly 'bloat' and their very presence obviously means extra junk was loaded into memory, but...

    (I don't know exactly how ubuntu does it) generally the entire 'splash screen' experience is loaded at the same time as your kernel. Tacking a megabyte onto that is NOT going to make it take a long time. It's not as if it's loading up a bunch of graphical toolkits and shared libraries, it's a pretty small piece of bloat that windows and apple users would *****-themselves to be absent of.

    "When I turn my computer on, all these lines of text go flying by and oh my god and I think my computer is being hacked by russians!"
    "Does it still boot ok? You can log in and use the system just fine?"
    "Well... yeah... BUT IT'S TOTALLY BROKEN YOU GOTTA SEE THESE LINES OF TEXT"

    If you could benefit from them not being there, then you obviously know how to get rid of them. If you're too dumb to figure that out, you're too dumb to understand what any of it means anyway.
  • frequentFlyer, on 07/08/2009, -0/+3I took a definitive ***** this morning.

    Did I say that out loud?
  • or3n, on 07/08/2009, -0/+3A definitive shift? They say something like this before every release. Wake me up when they make the actual OS (not just boot-up) faster at loading applications and better at memory management, and when they improve the user interface with a prettier and more usable theme. Don't get me wrong, I really like Ubuntu, but I wish they would actually make some radical changes rather than a few incremental steps every single time that in the short term seem very insignificant.
  • gcauthon, on 07/08/2009, -0/+3Why are they naming the next version of Ubuntu after an animal that stinks and is extremely difficult to care for?
  • tbonepower07, on 07/08/2009, -1/+4Not everyone has that ability. To the non-programmer end-use, the only possible benefits of open source that matter are better price (which it delivers, being free) and better quality (which it offers in many areas but lacks in others). You seem to be of the opinion that quality is not important. Would you like Linux (or any other open source project) to be a good operating system that the general population uses or would you rather have everyone use Windows and not know the difference? It seems like you want to have it niche, which is a strong indicator that you use/enjoy Linux primarily because it makes you feel superior (hence mocking those who cannot program). I don't see how you could interpret complaints about legitimate flaws in open source software as a sense of "entitlement" (apparently unprompted, since you're not replying to anyone and the topic has nothing to do with the article). A sense of entitlement that you don't ascribe to yourself; since "sense of entitlement" is generally used as an insult implying that someone is undeserving or uppity, you really do seem to think of yourself as superior. In fact, your command to "program it . . . them self [sic] or STFU" is probably not an overestimate of the person's programming ability, but a conscious mockery of their lack of skill relative to you. Since the person is obviously inferior, they can "STFU," being so much less worthy to hold an opinion than yourself. This is not an attitude that I respect.

    This hypothetical person is a customer who can a) use Windows / OS X or b) use an open source program. Presumably they are telling you that for their needs the open source program, the open source program is deficient and they cannot use it. Why is your desire to get angry at them instead of acknowledging that Linux might have a shortcoming in this particular area or, even better, suggesting a constructive solution if you happen to know of one?
  • emotecontrol, on 07/08/2009, -6/+9I'm still waiting for them to make an operating system that makes me want to use it. Where is the carefully-researched user interface design? Where are the must-have programs that always work and never need me to type "sudo" in order to get them to function properly? Even the mac has a better selection of games.

    Linux, in any build, is great for running servers and public library internet terminals. Until it can get make using the OS a real pleasure, and get more software developers on board, it's going to fail to make an impact on the general public. I install Ubuntu about once a year to see how it's doing, and while it's making incremental process, it's all been baby steps so far. Unless they overhaul it with an eye toward making a complete, attractive end-user experience, it's just going to be the same old Linux devotees downloading each build.
  • frequentFlyer, on 07/08/2009, -1/+3Either way, I seem to be loading Ubuntu on more and more servers these days. I save the client $700, and they love that.
  • b3n87, on 07/08/2009, -1/+3I dont get that joke, whats he on about?
  • Benno, on 07/08/2009, -0/+2Only the last question/answer had anything remotely interesting.
  • Manitoadlet, on 07/08/2009, -0/+2I'm using 8.04 because VPN is broken beyond that without some workaround I don't want to get into. I always tell myself to just stick to the LTS releases then I inevitably get sucked in by the hype of the latest and greatest and something I need breaks.
  • explodingzebras, on 07/08/2009, -0/+2Because at one point a past release of Ubuntu was going to have a wallpaper with semi naked people on it, but there were complaints so they changed it.
  • gcauthon, on 07/08/2009, -0/+2Yes, the next version will definitely shift slightly.
  • inactive, on 07/09/2009, -0/+2</insert OS warbait>
  • RPGmaster, on 07/09/2009, -0/+2Or use either Dust or New Wave as your theme. They're both pretty slick :)
  • freeridstylee, on 07/08/2009, -3/+5He never said that there would be no more brown. He talked about getting to brown faster, and speculated at a new color scheme, but never committed to one. I see no true shift.
  • pokobunt, on 07/09/2009, -0/+1If you want something attractive, use Mandriva Linux.
  • AdHaR, on 07/08/2009, -0/+1Shift slightly to the left.
  • gcauthon, on 07/08/2009, -0/+1You do realize we're already in the latter half of 2009, right?

    Oh, right... /s
  • gcauthon, on 07/08/2009, -0/+1*spoiler alert*
  • rpgmakr, on 07/09/2009, -0/+1"it can hide important warnings from the boot process"

    Anybody who wants that can figure out how to get rid of the splash. For everybody else (most people) the splash is something that makes the system more beautiful. Thank you.
  • diggtochina, on 07/08/2009, -1/+2you miss the point completely.

    1. if an individual chooses to use software which is community developed and offered as free (as in beer),
    then in my opinion, any non constructive bitching, bashing and flaming just shows the lack of said users knowledge of OSS.

    2. to my non programmer friends who, according to you, i was "mocking those who cannot program", one does not have to be a programmer or artist to help out a OSS project. Instead of saying "Linux sucks because ..." , join the community and add suggestions on how to make it better. If contributing to a OSS program is not your style then see comment 1.
  • Sammi84, on 07/08/2009, -0/+1Hehe he said "semi-nude" hehe...
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