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- coredump0x01, on 10/12/2007, -0/+25New version features transparent write access for NTFS partitions (libntfs+fuse). Thats all I needed to read! Torrent is available at http://linuxtracker.org/download.php?id=1645&name=KNOPPIX_V5.0DVD-2006-02-25-EN.iso.torrent but I could only find the DVD (maybe i'm not looking hard enough). Torrent looks reasonably fast, expect greater speeds when word reaches further.
- coredump0x01, on 10/12/2007, -9/+31What happens when windows xp breaks due to that better security and stability you speak of and you have to go in through knoppix and clean off all the viruses and repair what needs to be repaired. If XP has better security, I don't want to know what your definition of bad security is. Better kernel? I can't remember one time a driver fault completely crashed the linux kernel to the point of a hard reboot (bluescreen of death in your world). I can remember at least 10 that happened in the past 2 months on my girl's XP box due to the webcam driver, which, coincidently, works flawlessly under linux, she has since swithced and is much happier and note, she is admittedly less that non-technical. As for that better UI, she likes KDE alot more than bubbly old xp. As for better performance, explain to me why my windows games run on linux under cedega with equal or higher framerates and much better load times. And why does my Arch Linux install boot and is ready to use in 45 seconds where it takes my XP install (dual boot) a full 1:20 seconds to boot and become usable after loading that antivirus, and all the other programs that are there as a result of that better security you describe. Nice try microsoft, but I know better.
- lordsandwich, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12This'll probably get modded down, but I'm seriously hoping they improve the default theme with this release. Granted, V4.x looked worlds better than V3.x, but Knoppix still has that thrown-together look of various images and theme elements. Visually, it's very hard for me to take it seriously even when I know the actual software is amazing.
- minimaximus, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12coredump, I don't know what you're smoking, I've had 3 machines running Win XP for 1.5 years, 2 of them haven't needed rebooting in about 6 months. I install all kinds of crap on them (including dev tools) and I've never seen the BSOD.
We know Linux is cool in some respects (not the UI though, or the kewl cryptic command-line that doesn't have a corresponding interface), but would you stop with the FUD already?
if MS was that bad, then why are 90% of desktops and an increasing number of servers running Windows? why do the best PDAs run Windows? why did Novell, who's the new owner of SuSe, sponsor the Mono Project (porting .Net to Linux)???
I'm not saying MS is all nice and fluffy, or that Linux is sub-par. Each has their own merits. I personally find most of the failing Windows machines are due to stupid users not knowing how to protect their system, and you expect the average user to manage/protect their Linux machine any better? I don't think so. - chrono13, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8"you Linux zealots are liars."
Most any zealot is.
"I'm probably not as whiz bang brilliant as everyone on here is,"
You can make a coherent post. I think that makes you brighter than some digg users.
"but Linux is an effing bitch to get to work at all."
It can be. Especially if you have a video issue. Though these things are becoming incredibly rare.
"All your comments about how easy and wonderful and speedy and stable it is are arrogant and wrong."
So they are wrong because you say so? Isn't that the same argument you are trying to fight? So if I say Linux is easy, it is right because I say so?
"The architecture of Linux may be such that the OS works in a more modular fashion, but it's not as full-proof as everyone makes it out to be."
That depends on what you want to do with it.
"Recently I installed yet another distro in a vain attempt to get it operational on one of my 4 PC's. Suffice it to say it's easy to completely trash a Linux system by only attempting to install things with the package manager."
I have two questions. Which distro & version, and did you know what packages you were installing? I've had issues with RPM, but never with Apt. Which is why I use Kubuntu.
"I did it... My PC won't boot into Linux anymore and all I did was check a few boxes in the package manager."
I can do that in the Control Panel in Windows too. Or go online and download a couple of random things from random sites, and have it break. Hell, I fix at least a dozen PC's a month that break in just this fashion. Again - did you know what you were installing, or were you just installing some random stuff?
"In fact, I haven't been able to get any of the 7 distros I attempted to install to be fully operational on any of my 4 PC's."
Seven distro's? You'd be better off playing around with them in VMware than going through all that. One more question: over what period of time did you try these distros? Seven is quite a few, and if we are talking a larger time-frame - your issues... whatever they were, are likely not a problem anymore.
"Windows just works, no matter how crappily."
Your last distro was working. You used a package manager, it asked you to confirm such a system-wide change with either your sudo password or root password. I wish Windows would do the same - ask for a password before any system-wide change is made.
"It may be possible to get Linux to run perfect,"
My mom can't remember how to check her e-mail. She needs help with her digital camera. She has managed to break every Windows install I have put in front of her. She became terrified to use the computer because of it.
Then I installed Linux (Kubuntu). She loves using the computer, and loves it even more that months later, she has anything she asks for (a particular game for instance) and she hasn't been able to break it yet. All I did was tell her that she only needs to use her password for login on. After that - if it asks, always cancel. She has sudo, and is in complete control of the system. I have walked her over the phone on how to install this or that, but otherwise she loves it.
"but you need a PHD before you're able to make it work."
No. Perhaps some patience to configure it. But installing it, and using it are both rather easy now. What were you trying to configure or change that borked the last one? Perhaps there is an easy answer I, or someone else, can give you that might help you the next time you try (if you haven't given up entirely).
Best luck, and I'm sorry to hear that something that is becoming rather uncommon happened to you multiple times. Maybe just wait a few months until the new Ubuntu/Kubuntu is out? A month or two after that EasyUbuntu will likely be out - and then it configures everything for you (installs mp3, dvd, etc).
-Chrono13 - BlackChaos, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Read the site. "Roadmap: Earliest date 2 weeks after CeBIT, the CD edition of KNOPPIX 5.0 should be ready and will be available for download, together with the DVD version, from the usual mirrors."
- coredump0x01, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8I like to keep both around for when I go out on repair jobs, not everyone has a dvd drive, but otherwise I prefer the dvd. More software and faster disk reads. would have posted both if I could've found it, but I can wait a few days for it to surface.
- chrono13, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7As a guess: most people just use it as a live CD.
As an installed Linux - it lacks where other shine.
As a live CD/DVD - few come close to Knoppix.
While I can't speak for everyone, I have done an "install" as a virtual machine, and found no reason to like it above any distro that is designed from the ground up to be installed rather than run from CD.
Hope this helps. - kingtubby, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Does anybody here ever install Knoppix, or do you just use it for fixing/repairing?
- Malakin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7I hope it boots as fast as Accelerated-Knoppix.
http://www.alpha.co.jp/ac-knoppix/index_en.html - deepsub, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6verucasalt's comments are ironic given that most XP plumbers l know (myself included) use Knoppix to FIX Windows XP issues.
- karamba_kid, on 10/12/2007, -8/+14yes, install Windows XP, then in about 6 months install it again and repeat. Do this until you get sick of your Windows install rotting away because of the ugly registry getting all mucked up and install Linux just once, and let it run for the life of your computer hardware.
- ozzloy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5the market share MS has is due to the high barrier to entry in the market. that barrier is compatibility with MS, not a problem the MS had to deal with when it was growing up because it was the first to be a desktop OS.
also, MS uses it's monopoly (90% , close enough) on desktops to gain a monopoly in other areas, like PDAs. This is illegal because it stifles free market competition. And once again, it's easier for them to be compatible with themselves.
Novell is trying to play the compatibility game. - thereisnospoon, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Will it boot on an Intel Mac? :)
- craigly, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5eqisow - At the boot: prompt, type 'knoppix desktop=fluxbox|icewm|larswm|twm|wmaker|xfce' without the quotes, choosing your preferred window manager from the list.
Here's some more Cheat Codes: http://www.knoppix.net/wiki/Cheat_Codes
My favorite is to put the .ISO image on the root of my Windows C: drive, then boot from the Knoppix CD/DVD and issue this command: knoppix bootfrom=/dev/hda1
It will then boot from your hard drive and run very fast. - c0uchm0nster, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I don't want to add to the xyz vs zyx debate, but I would like to point out a couple of things about your comment:
1. "90% of desktop market" - this statistic is even harder to confirm than most: Is it just of systems sold this year? Does it include people who build their own systems (small i know), what about people who have to buy windows with the machine? - This statistic is less a statistic of what os people use, as it is of what os is bundled with a computer.
2. "Growing server share" - again a hard stat to guess at, however this one is more believable. Nevertheless, a growing share doesn't say much - it could be going from 1% to 1.1% (I personally loath the windows servers I have to admin versus the linux servers that i have to... well, I haven't had to do anything major to my linux servers in 1yr+. Granted this is due to my longer hands on experience with linux than windows server)
3. .NET and windows are not synonymous. Microsoft is very clear on this. The only reason something like mono can even exist is because .net is being standardized so others can build their own implementations - characteristically the exact opposite on windows' take on things. Not all things MS are evil - hell, even windows has got to have some good in it somewhere, but this IS a linux vs windows thread, not a MS vs 1001 linux distros thread. - richbradshaw, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Kanotix is similar to Knoppix but designed for installation. It's really good, excellent hardware support, only distro I tried that supported all my hardware 'out of the box'!
- Achra, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4My favorite (by far) is Ubuntu. I tried Kubuntu (because I prefer KDE), but [at least on hoary] it didn't work as well as the "official" version.. My most recent attempts to install various linux distros on a junker HP Pavilion 512w went as follows (with latest builds of all):
Fedora Core - failed to install
Xandros - failed to install
Suse - failed to install
Debian - works great, but all the packages are ancient (and the kernel too).
Mandriva - This is still my pick if you are just looking for an install for grandma.. You need the applications that come on the CD's and don't plan on installing any 3rd party apps. I had very little luck with Drake or urpmi, there didn't seem to be very many packages available and I ran into problems with things that should just _work_ (like the firefox .sh installer).
Lycoris - Same thing, except it's massaged to look like XP, and there's even less chance of adding 3rd party software (and less software included in the install).. I think that you can pay for the privilege of installing 3rd party software, not sure though.
Ubuntu - Debian except current. The package repository is MASSIVE. Easy enough for me to use as a beginner linux, but still 'real' enough that I'm learning a lot about how the reality is under the gui. The clincher is that when I decide I want something obscure, I can just apt-get install it.
I know I'm missing some that I tried.. I didn't mess with Gentoo or Slackware, FreeBSD seemed kind of cool, but not as supported as linux. All of this is just my opinions, having recently decided to get back into linux (the last time was Redhat 5, and before that was Slackware in the compile it yourself on your 386 yggdrasil days). - rincebrain, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4FWIW, I installed it - once, when I was desperate, and a hard drive had just died. It was the only thing I had on me, and it worked decently - but I didn't keep it, because other distros were so much more useful for that.
- nigham, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4If you've just started using Linux you should probably try Suse or Ubuntu.
- DigeratiPrime, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5you know coredump you can take the 'cd iso' and burn to a dvd to achieve max speed.
- funkpucker, on 10/12/2007, -9/+13of course [verucasalt] is completely wrong, but you Linux zealots are liars. I work with computers all day, every day. Granted I'm probably not as whiz bang brilliant as everyone on here is, but Linux is an effing bitch to get to work at all. All your comments about how easy and wonderful and speedy and stable it is are arrogant and wrong. The architecture of Linux may be such that the OS works in a more modular fashion, but it's not as full-proof as everyone makes it out to be. Recently I installed yet another distro in a vain attempt to get it operational on one of my 4 PC's. Suffice it to say it's easy to completely trash a Linux system by only attempting to install things with the package manager. I did it... My PC won't boot into Linux anymore and all I did was check a few boxes in the package manager.
In fact, I haven't been able to get any of the 7 distros I attempted to install to be fully operational on any of my 4 PC's. Windows just works, no matter how crappily. It may be possible to get Linux to run perfect, but you need a PHD before you're able to make it work. - Anchoret, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4You are so right.
While the usefulness and user-friendliness of desktop Linux for normal humans is merely insanely overrated, the sheer ugliness of most Linux distro presentation is downright repellent and inexcusable, the product of aesthetically-retarded geeks who think the pinnacle of beauty is a desktop with Darth Vader riding an anime unicorn across a pulsating green fractal.
Surprisingly, Slax was very pretty and balanced on load, and they managed that with a pair of sneakers and KDE. Remarkable! - demonthises, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4funkpucker it can be a bitch to get linux working on some computer, but usually it's a driver problem. A good example of this is laptops. I had problems getting wireless and wpa working, but now that it is working linux is great. My computer boots in under 40 seconds and shuts down in even less time. I have an excellent firewall, and I only run essential services. Anyway Most distros now-a-days have good hardware detection and only require a little tweaking here and there.
What the heck did you do to those computers anyway? Did you try to remove binutils or the init V boot scripts? What distro were you trying to run? - hoofarted, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4It is quite interesting how many people think that administration only happens from the command line. Then again, I guess if you know no better then that is what you will be stuck with. That applies to all OS types.
- eqisow, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5In fairness coredump, in my experience DX only games like HL2 don't do that well in Cedega. But OpenGL games do perform spectacularly, however.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5glad to see Linux getting easier all the time to take control over...cool!
very true concept!
"yes, install Windows XP, then in about 6 months install it again and repeat. Do this until you get sick of your Windows install rotting away because of the ugly registry getting all mucked up and install Linux just once, and let it run for the life of your computer hardware."
and i bet money that VISTA is the same! - sstidman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I use it mainly for extracting files from broken Windows boxes and occasionally for fix/repair of Linux boxes. The biggest problem I keep facing is issues with the registry/hive files in Windows 2000. The inability to write to an NTFS formatted partition has limited the usefulness of Knoppix somewhat for me. If you can truly write to NTFS safely using Knoppix 5, that would be incredible. I could have used that yesterday when my Win2K box that stores my tax software encountered a corrupt hive file. If, in addition, I could install knoppix on a USB key, and then install BartPE on the same key using Grub to dual boot, that would make a very powerful fix/repair system that I could store in my pocket.
That brings to mind an interesting thought ... I was able to fix the corrupt SYSTEM hive file by removing the hard drive from my PC, sticking it into an Windows XP box, using regedt32 to load the hive file and then dumping the contents of that hive into a brand new hive file. It would be really nice if I could do something like that from within Knoppix. Does anyone know of software that can do such a thing, i.e. read/write Windows registry hive files? - eqisow, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I recomend Kubuntu over Ubuntu, but it's mostly personal preference really. (KDE vs Gnome)
- richbradshaw, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3It's not really designed for installing... I use Kanotix, which is a similar distribution, but more suited for installation.
- coredump0x01, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5"It may be possible to get Linux to run perfect, but you need a PHD before you're able to make it work."
I'm 17 and I get it to work (very nicely), plus I have only been using it for 2 years. It depends on your dedication and willingness to learn how a new OS works, and it requires you to pace yourself as you do it. I agree that most distros don't provide that first step for newbie users, when i installed my first unix (freebsd) I was confused as hell, I didn't know what I was doing, I was simply a newbie trapped in a LCI hell where none of the DOS commands worked (my only cli experience) I do think previous experience with DOS can help you though, stuff like cli file management, and editing the autoexec.bat and config.sys is very similar to operating linux proficiantly. It's just a matter of time before you find all the configuration files and learn your way around the FS, only after that does the Linux advantage show itself when you discover all the powerful tools built right into the OS, but don't expect to dive right in, you will only become confused and angry (like I did). - DarthTurducken, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Partitioning - haven't need it for fixing (yet).
/Knock on Formica - Jestermask, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Holy crap! If Knoppix 5 can finally write to an NTFS partition (reliably) without it being a big hassle, I'm sold!
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2So true.
Remeber the version with desktop image of a guy in a spacesuit and lens flares all over the place? UG-LY
And using KDE doesn't help either. - nigham, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5Sure thing pal, just as soon as you buy a copy for me :)
- sstidman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2rincebrain wrote "FWIW, I installed it - once, when I was desperate, and a hard drive had just died. It was the only thing I had on me, and it worked decently - but I didn't keep it, because other distros were so much more useful for that."
Rince, what else have you used/recommend? - steal_apps01, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2aw man that update feature is sweet, I still running 3.2 so I'm gonna update woot!
- StealthTomato, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I might use this for partitioning...my Windows partition needs more room, and Linux is insanely conservative with its partition...
Does it work well, or will it demolish my partitions?
EDIT: I meant that Accelerated Knoppix...Sorry.... - funkpucker, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I'm amazed. Someone not too harsh responded to me. I'll answer your questions, even though I doubt you'll reply. 7 Distros include Suse 9, Suse 10, Mandriva 2005, Mandriva 2006, Ubuntu 5.04, 5.10, 6.04b4. In fact, I think I actually tried a couple others before, including, I think, a version of Knoppix that was so slow I stopped using it after 5 minutes. Surprisingly, the ones I had the least trouble with were Ubuntu 5.04 and Mandriva 2005. The only real problems I had was that Mandriva hated my All-in-wonder card and Ubuntu hated the wireless card on my laptop. In fact I replaced my Intel wireless card with a Cisco just so I could use it with Linux, and it still doesn't work right most of the time... Great help that was.
I recently downloaded and attempted to install Suse 10. I downloaded the DVD ISO twice just to make sure, but on two different computers, the thing wouldn't even install half way, even in "failsafe" mode. I'm a windows system admin so I know my way around installing an OS or two, and I installed Slackware a couple years back just to see what the whole linux thing was about... so I don't think it's me...
My last venture was with Dapper. I got to where I really didn't want to use Gnome anymore, and I looked up online on how to switch to KDE. Since that's the point of the modularity of Linux anyways.. the whole completely seperate GUI makes for easy switching eh? Well the instructions said to just apt-get kubuntu. I did that. Evidently I screwed something up prior to that because installing kubuntu on ubuntu failed about half way through and left my machine incredibly piecemeal with Ubuntu Loader, Kubutu Login, Unbuntu sign on, Gnome, and every KDE app known to man. It also screwed up power management. It was so bad it was impossible to turn off or anything else related to power. The only way to keep the thing from completely draining the battery going full blast was to hold down the power button and kill the system. Needless to say, I think doing that a few times screwed up the file system or something, because after a while of it wouldn't even load anymore.
Just glad I kept my good ol Win XP partition intact so I can actually use my laptop instead of trying to learn by using Linux.
Now, don't get me wrong, I'm a total MS hater and thinks Windows totally sucks. Microsoft is a ridiculously wasteful company, employing 30,000 people, and being responsible for an OS that gets installed hundreds of millions of times... and Windows XP is the best they can come up with? It's a complete joke. A company that size with that amount of money, resources, and intelligence should have been able to solve the world energy crisis and create Artificial Intelligence by now! And we get Windows ??? Look at the resources of the Open Source community... and compare what each comes up with... It's utterly ridiculous.
And about your grandmother, girlfriend, and I'm sure someone out there has a 3 yr old using Linux, good for them. The value is in the setup. I bet if I had one of you setup my webserver, media center, and laptop I'd be pleased as punch and everything would work flawlessly. So if you can dump your knowledge into my brain on how to install WPA with my T40 and Aironet wireless card, get my PPTP VPN to work running, and let me use dualhead and the tv tuner of my ATI AIW card on my MC PC, I would be much appreciative. But chances are your response will be as verbose, cryptic, and include as many BASH (you on the head whenever your syntax is wrong) switches and conf file changes as the rest of the mountains of MAN pages there are in Linux-dom. It's too much of a pain right now to worry about, unless you really care about learning a lot about it and making it a significant part of your life.
I'm holding my breath until Larry and Sergey become lords of the planet in like 8 years and we have a web-bootable terminal device running Googinux that we can pick up from the gas station for $20. - chrono13, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I apologize that my reply wasn't nicer than it was already. You have valid issues that aren't easily solved - as you said - without going the same route of 'you have to know (whatever) to understand this list of not-very-simple commands and steps that god help you if one of them doesn't go exactly as planed'.
It works for my mother because it is basic hardware, and basic use. Her "advanced" things she does have been tackled and well polished by the OSS community already.
I can't live without Windows yet. I have a Windows box and VMWare (which I use to play with, and yes, sometimes break Linux), and a box with only Linux.
Depending on where you live, you might be able to find a group, or such that is, or has Linux geeks. If that is possible - there is likely one who will do a lot of work for you, for free. However, that runs the risk of having to put up with their ego for several hours.
I won't waste your time or patronize you saying that you should be able to get it to work. It isn't about you getting it to work - it should work for you. You didn't fail, it did.
This isn't a case of you lacking knowledge. You are moving to a new OS, and it didn't work. You could migrate to a Mac or a configured Linux with little or no issues I'm sure. But it is in the transition that Linux failed.
Stick with Windows for now. Linux hasn't come far enough for what you want to do, your hardware, and quite frankly... if I had that much trouble with Linux, I would have had far worse to say about it than you did. You are obviously very patient, but don't waste your time.
Better luck in six months to a year maybe? - nene7070, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1how do you download the torrent without login?
- ichthus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Nice. Too bad you have to have a user/pass to get the torrent. Hopefully, it's not too much longer
You know, it used to be that when a new distro version was released, you could go download it. Nowadays, you have to wait for a few weeks while it's only available to "club members" or via mail order. Why is Linux such a controled substance anymore?
for a _free_ download.
(UPDATE) Ok, so I guess you really don't have to register. The website asked me to register, but then allowed me to download the torrent anyway. Excellent. - dukeinlondon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I didn't think much of live distros when they first came out except as a hardware testing tool but that shows that it's probably the main way distros will be installed and updated in the future. As was blind, now I see. I hate distro installs anyway but still, nice one.
- duke, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1YES! - Kanotix is my absolute favorite!!!!! But, I am curious to see what Knoppix 5.0 has to offer. :D
- wolfger, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1by funkpucker: "It may be possible to get Linux to run perfect, but you need a PHD before you're able to make it work."
Thanks for the compliment, but seriously... I know many people who run Linux, and only one of us (that I know of) has a PhD. Unless your hardware is pretty exotic (and I've run across hardware that would not take a Linux distro for anything in the world), a Linux install is pretty simple. Even Gentoo, which is listed among the most difficult to install, only requires the ability to read and follow instructions. - chrono13, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1What the hell?
In Firefox, IE... doesn't matter what browser I load, there is no Reply option on any of the parent posts.
And yes, I am logged in when I check, I do refresh, etc.
"how do you download the torrent without login?"
You get uTorrent (if you are on Windows). If you are on Linux; Azurues or some other such DHT able client. - nene7070, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1dude, sorry! I was looking at linuxtracker.org- u needed to login there to get the torrent!
- Danathar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1magnet:?xt=urn:btih:MTMMC4YGJFQFB6OA43XDRVMOXZZG35P7
- duke, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1This was listed there for German
http://torrent.kurz.net/KNOPPIX_V5.0DVD-2006-02-25-DE.iso.torrent
BTW, if you just want to mess around, either version will work with the proper cheatcode. Just use lang=us or lang=de at the boot prompt (and be aware that the keyboards are different - German KB uses open or close parenthesis for "=") - chrono13, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The reason I was suggesting a DHT enabled client is that it will work without login.
Oh, and the German ISO is also being tracked at linuxtracker.org (with many more seeds than the English version).
Isohunt, torrentspy, etc all point to linuxtracker for these two torrents. I'm not sure about a direct download (http/ftp). I haven't looked, but I'm sure it would be much slower than either torrent.
If this torrent didn't work without signing up, I would have waited for it to hit the Linux Mirror Project page, or waited until someone had hosted it on a better tracker.
But thankfully, I don't. DHT effectively bypasses their required signup. -
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