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- SimonGray, on 10/12/2007, -3/+32Certainly an improvement on the fairly cluttered current KDE menu!
Resembles the Novell SLED Gnome menu in function, but retains a slightly more iconified look; and it's much better use of icons than the SLED Gnome menu in my opinion.
Still prefer standard Gnome menu to everything else though. - psion01, on 10/12/2007, -1/+28Trust me, it's a chameleon.
- Falcorian, on 10/12/2007, -2/+26Only one problem with it...
He removes Amarok from his favorites! What's up with that! - Tsiolkovsky, on 10/12/2007, -1/+23I must say that it looks like a big improvement over the current KDE K menu. Can't wait for the next openSUSE 10.2 Alpha/Beta to check out how it works and feels.
- macewan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+20Even though I'm a GNOME guy I think this is quite nice.
- RWTechgage, on 10/12/2007, -7/+21Yeah. It sucks being able to access things so quickly.
- morphie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12It looks great and has big potential.
But it's not -the- new KDE-menu. It's a KDE-menu by suse for KDE 3.5. If it will make KDE 4 is still a question, since this is based on KDE3 technology and for now doesn't use plasma. - flag564, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8That is just frigging nice.
The search bar and help button looks a little clunky though. - jamsea, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12Um, why don't you just, you know, change the font...?
- Kazrog, on 10/12/2007, -6/+13The usability and versatility of the Mac OS X Dock allows for infinitely faster and more intuitive ways of accessing your applications and files than the Start menu ever will.
The whole concept of the Start Menu was flawed from day one. All it is is the Windows 2.x and higher Program Manager, turned into a menu. It's helped foster people's fear of files and folders (along with Microsoft's other ever-evolving weapons in their ongoing battle to keep your files hidden from you), and it's helped nurture the sloppy developer habit of tossing random DLLs and preference files inside C:Program Files
And why the hell doesn't it auto-sort by alphabet? This is 2006, get with it Microsoft.
Back to the topic though, Linux parroting this same flawed interface design isn't going to do anything but harm to Linux as a desktop/workstation OS. - Exiler86, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7I don't care for how it slides forward/back when you open up a group in all-programs, I prefer to see sort of the whole menu (since I often don't know precisely what folder something is in). Looking at one set of stuff at a time is sort of constricting. Hopefully you can adjust the animation speed and delay so its a little faster too.
- Oakes, on 10/12/2007, -15/+22It's funny that the story calls it a start menu even though it doesn't say "start." I wonder what inspired it.
(And yes, I'm aware that people above me are suggesting Microsoft is the actual copier. I'm laughing too.) - eFiniTi, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11Wow, very sexy indeed. Now both Gnome and KDE will have cool start menus in openSUSE.
- mpeters13, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7OS X indeed doesn't have a start menu... and Apple has found a great way to make work fast in their own way... But lets be honest.. I think KickOff is the boost that KDE has long since needed. It's gorgeous, FAST, flexible and remarkably intuitive from a previous linux standpoint. I'm supporting this move all the way :).
- jeriqo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8So much wasted space.
Fat menu.
Are we back to 1996 ? - carbon12, on 10/12/2007, -5/+10"Slab" (the redesigned GNOME menu for NLD 10) is far superior. Have a look: http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/original.php?release=700&slide=6
- Tsuroerusu, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6@ gharding
"Jesus. KDE really needs to get some UI designers. Maybe they can find people to overcomplicate that even more."
!!!!! RTFA !!!!!
"openSUSE 10.2 will have a redesigned KDE start menu created by the KDE and usability team at SUSE, after doing usability testing with other start menus. We now have a working prototype, code-named 'Kickoff' (started during world soccer championship, obviously), which is currently being tested with real users in the SUSE usability lab." - srudes2, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5nice
The vista start menu and the suse (kde).... really lookalike.
Compare here:
vista: http://70.85.12.163/albino_vista/Startmenu1b(www.albinoblacksheep.com).png
kde: http://home.kde.org/~binner/kickoff/sneak_preview.html - BT-Wang, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6it's kind of nice, the tabs at the bottom are way too huge, I hope that's configurable.
I stopped using the menu a long time ago though. when you know the name of the programs you want to run it's easier to just hit alt-F2 and type it. - bevans, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Looks good. KDE is my preferred desktop because of all the nice little features it has.
On a side note, it would have been funny if the flash video was made for Flash 9 - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6i like it alot better seems more functional
- CaptainMordecai, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7Why the ***** is this being buried? Its a valid comment...
Vista has a similar feature and it seems like a fairly obvious inspiration to me. But even XP does it better than Kickoff - why the do they think its a good idea separating the Favourites and the recently used like that. They should be both there ready to go.
Don't get me wrong its a decent idea, and an improvement on KDE currently, but just too damn complicated. They need to step back from all these different tabs - they aren't the answer to everything. And they don't really help much here. - sei0n, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Bill Gates: "I invented this"
- plkrtn, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5When hasn't KDE been like Windows?
- idonthack, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I noticed too!
I said, "wtf! HEATHEN!!!!" - HonoredMule, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4ew.
Way to make users use a tiny combo box in the middle of nowhere to switch content groups. I'll take KDE please.
I suppose it's fine if you want simple, I prefer functional. - Tsuroerusu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3KDE 4 won't be out for a little while, the thing that just got released, "Krash", was very early previews of the new libraries, and even when the first full technology preview rolls around, it's scheduled for October, there's still a lot more work to be done.
openSUSE 10.2 will have KDE 3.5.4, and 10.3 will have KDE 4.0, as 10.3 is to be released around August of 2007, so why not make the very best of the KDE 3 series since that's what we're gonna use for a little while to come? - vitriolix, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3here is a video of it in action:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=eyaa16HbjvI
these both look really nice, can't wait to get this on my desktop - Kazrog, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8I hate the Windows XP start menu, and this is just repeating the same UI mistakes. Why not come up with a significantly better UI rather than just copying Windows? One of many reasons I can't taken Linux totally seriously as anything other than a server OS.
Mac OS X is years ahead of this kind of mindless cloning. Open Source has a lot of potential but Linux just isn't there yet as a serious desktop/workstation OS, and this is one of many great examples of the inconsistency and visionlessness of the KDE and Gnome UIs. - BlindIrishman, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7Eh, there is too much space wasted, but then again I'm a list lover, who needs icons?
- avatarpalin, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Quicksilver is the answer for that.. Or do this
- Open 'Macintosh HD' icon on the desktop
- Drag the 'Applications' folder to the right side of the line on the dock (the one where the bin sits on.. DONT PUT IT IN THE BIN)
- Right click (or hold the left mouse click down ) to get a start menu like display.
- Left click once to get the folder and browse with 'Catalog style display' - bigtomrodney, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5I like the look of it but I can't help think it's not great timing with KDE 4 previews to be released before openSUSE 10.2. KDE4 will be replacing the entire architecture behind the current kicker/kmenu with plasma which will include elements from superkaramba
It has to be said though - It's not called a Start Menu, it's called the K-menu. - Kazrog, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3They are similar, and although I feel that KDE needs to come up with some more efficient navigation, I think the layout of this menu is far more intuitive than the Vista menu, in some subtle ways.
- n0xie, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5It looks too much like the Windows XP start menu, which isn't a good thing. It gets the 'Windows' feel: just run through these 7+ menu's and click on that thingie over there and then it will do something... hopefuly... or not... or crash.
People who work daily with computers want an efficient Desktop: i.e. sidebar with shortcuts/symbolic links to all the software they use every day ( I guess that's what the 'favorites' is for?), and nothing else. Everything else is just clutter: waste of useful desktop space.
I think KDE should innovate, not imitate. Apple and GNOME both have a pleasant (not perfect mind you) desktop enviroment. Of course to each it's own, but you have to admit that burrying all your applications under piles of menu's just isn't the most efficient way to control your computer. - malkir, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Personally I'm surprised people aren't just ditching the start menu idea. I'd propose a shortcut toggle that draws a transparent "application desktop" on top of your current screen(full screen) that has icons and such on it. It could even have some nifty graphical effect while drawing(nothing insane though since it should be blazing fast to come up). I think this is one of the few ways the whole 3d desktop could really help make desktop computing more efficient.
- jacks0n, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Wow, now that's dandy. Personally I wouldn't use it, but for the average Joe, it works well.
- kevinski, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2People love tabs, apparently. It's sad, really, because it seems that people just can never have enough tabs. You have multiple desktops and a taskbar, but you need tabs in every application and applet. It's pretty ridiculous.
I'm not a huge fan of the new Start menu in Vista (although it looks a bit cleaner, with the exception of the scrollbar), but it's better than this monstrosity. - 0v3rk1ll, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Good. I hope you choke and die.
- c64plus4, on 10/12/2007, -8/+10The old KDE menu system is better. I don't like that at all!
- iAlex, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Awesome. Gnome devs are going crazy ninjas now!
- plkrtn, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Try Gnome then.
KDE has always been Start Bar influenced. - reversial, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Menu looks nice, though I'll stick with Fluxbox :)
Major props for an OGG as well - I'm on a fresh ubuntu reinstall, so no decoders/etc installed yet. - muffinmanpoo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3"Then again, since getting Katapult installed I hardly ever use the K menu.
(Katapult = Alt + Space then type the app name)"
I've never really understood the point of Katapult. Why not just press Alt + F2 and type the app name? - mxcl, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@egisow
The reason they changed it from a multiple menu system like the Windows start menu to a scrolling menu system is due to the "lose your place" effect, as I call it.
You open 3 nested menus then misclick, the start menu collapses and you lose your place.
By keeping the clicks well inside the menu border and keeping your mouse in the same place you prevent this kind of mistake.
I'm sure the new scrolling menu will take time to get comfortable with, and require some tweaking (a quick back-to-root method would be nice I expect), however I am certain the new system is superior.
I'm absolutely certain! - alexthebeast, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I love it....a lot better than what we had to use in the past....
- mxcl, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I'm planning to build something like this for X11 in the near future. Making innovative use of Fitts' law actually. But I won't reveal anything about it yet. I can't even give the name as I'm not happy with what I'm internally calling it yet.
- mxcl, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Complicated? I'd argue that having everything in one menu through fear that tabs are "complicated" would make it look far more complicated.
Then what do I know? Oh actually, I do know, having designed software for 7 years now. - h4lofourt33n, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2That is too cool. I can't wait to see an official release.
- mxcl, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Fitts Law, common actions should have big buttons.
- discobean, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2alt-f2 is the fastest way to start any application in KDE
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