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- Maverick83, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"Gnome? KDE? New users should use the cli. They will learn more. They can always point and click later. That's the problem, too many new users jump into linux and only use the GUI. They never understand how linux actually works, just more pointing and clicking. ***** tards."
Well, dumbass, not everyone is as elite as you are. People like you are part of the problem. If Linux is going to attract the average Joe, it needs to be pretty. It needs to be easy.
And if they need to, they can discover that Linux actually has a CLI later.
The average user shouldn't need to know the ins and outs of the OS to use it. To them, it's only a tool that performs a few vital functions.
***** retard. - expunged, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I don't know who wrote this article, but they have no idea what they are talking about. Why on earth would anyone install a second OS to run a different desktop environment?? Almost all of his complaints stem from a lack of knowledge.
X freezes? Try CTL+ALT+BACKSPACE to restart your X server. Disabled? It's still not worse than MS Windows. ssh in and restart it from the cli. You probably won't even have to reboot.
How can one decide which environment is better based on a theme? How about apps and the ability to get things done? GNOME seems to have some of the more full-featured, useful applications (e.g. gkrellm, gimp), but KDE has better integration. Not that it matters, because I can run gimp and gkrellm in KDE just fine.
How about file managers? I've noticed that Nautilus chokes hard when displaying folder content where the folder has more than a few thousand files in it and then sort of crashes. Konquerer doesnt have that problem. GNOME is better at localizing crashes to a particular process, though. I guess that's the downside to integration.
And Konquerer? Oh, sweet Konquerer. I love Konquerer. As a web browser, it sucks. But once you split views, open a smb:// session in one and maybe couple of fish:// sessions in two more, and start dragging and dropping between them, there is no going back. Konquerer completely kicks ass.
Just my .02 - bowlcut, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0That guy is nuts....I keep my installs seprate. What the hell is that. You dont need to reinstall the entire OS to add a different GUI
- lordTalus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0In memory of a post made a couple of days ago...
KDE runs on DOS. - olorinpc, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Yea it is... i personally like kde, but whatever a person is used to or works better for them.
-olorinpc
http://www.sgbtech.com - Livewired, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Grew up on enlightenment. Can't seem to get away from it.
- geminitojanus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Flamewar ahoy!
- ZenPirate, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0That's a pretty crappy article, IMHO.
- BenStockwell, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0It seems like alot of people don't know that, it's GNOME, not Gnome. GNOME is an acronym for GNU Network Object Model Environment, much like KDE is to K Desktop Environment.
- jambarama, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Just because users should learn CLI doesn't mean they can't use a desktop environment.
I've been using WindowMaker for a long time. It is easy, lite, and saves on battery juice (windows ends my battery in 3 hours of normal stuff, WindowMaker makes it last as long as 5).
Recently I tried out UDE and right now I am quite enamoured with it.
As a summary, KDE is very like Windows, Gnome is very like OSX. Flame on. - Moose_Head, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0And you guys expect casual users to pick Linux up with this kind of issue unresolved. Come on, get real!
- peace, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0
Both Ubuntu(Gnome) and Kubuntu(KDE) are awesome. I still prefer KDE but competition is good. - enfact, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0The answer is KDEasy.
King of worst jokes, ever. - jorgevargas, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"Theoretically you can have both desktop environments on one installation, but I've found that that clutters things up and sometimes (rarely) makes things malfunction. I just like my installations clean."
it seems you have never try slackware, or gentoo, or .... - timbtwisted, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0it's all a matter of prefernce, try both and see what floats your boat. No scratch that, try these as well as other desktop environemtns, there are a ton of great options available. This essay really kinda sucks though, so no digg.
- ateoto, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I'm partial to Gnome myself.
- rosemat2, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Gnome for sure
- zakainsworth, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Gnome!!! Yeah!!!
- anagami, on 07/02/2008, -0/+0"I still prefer KDE but competition is good."
Yes, but I think that KDE and Gnome should be two skins of one main GUI. - mooninite, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Xfce ftw.
- MegaHyster, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Most people that should be using Linux (ie. people that click without understanding) are unable, because of having to edit con fig. files etc. Windows is still superior in that fact, but allows too little, or too much control over the OS.
Good essay. KDE is prettier, but I've had better luck getting gnome to work. I just did some loading on my extra computer, first with debian with the default gnome install, getting KDE installed, then getting ticked off and dumping ubuntu on it. Still having difficulty getting things to work correctly. Seems to be missing codecs, things I thought were minor, playing MP3's and DVDs.
I'm learning it so I can stop going thru xp installs on my friends and family, thought once I can get Linux to work on my own stuff, I'll force all of them on it too. - Maverick83, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Meh, I don't like desktop environments. Enlightenment is my GUI.
- spin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Novell will continue to support KDE. I don't think this will come as a surprise to anyone who followed last weeks stories about Novell moving Gnome for SLES and NLD. The uproar from faithful KDE SuSE users clearly demonstrated the great error in judgment that Novell was making.
http://www.digg.com/linux_unix/Novell_Back_Peddles_on_Move_to_Gnome
Viva la KDE! - anagami, on 07/02/2008, -0/+0"I have both my Gnome and KDE desktops looking "aqua" in a Mac style with Mac-like icons."
How sweet will if Apple Open Sourced Aqua. - lpcustom, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Just about any Desktop Environment for Linux or Freebsd is so customizable that you can alter it to your preferences anyway. If you don't like Gnome with it's default settings, you can change it around to meet your needs. Same thing goes for KDE, Fluxbox, etc etc. The KDE vs. Gnome flamewar is about the stupidest in the *nix community.
- zagi1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I used both KDE and GNOME didnt like them switched to windowmaker fell in love. Maybe thats just me, I dont happen to be a big fan of eye candy environments. Speaking of eye candy i checked out Enlightenment and its kick ass.
- Dispersion, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I use KDE. Though I can deal with gnome just as well.
- BenStockwell, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I'll take Firefox, and Nautilus over that POS Konqueror any day. It would be nice if Konqueror actually displayed webpages like digg.com correctly, and didn't have dozens of cluttered menus that I don't care about.
- FlyingLlama, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Doesn't KDE stand for Kool Desktop Environment? Someone told me that...
Oh and I prefer GNOME. (on FreeBSD of course. ;) ) - kozmo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0gnome? Isn't that a city in Alaska? LOL...
KDE's Konqueror is a far superior file manager then Gnome's Nautilus...JMHO though. - zootread, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I like both, switch back and forth between them every few months. There's a features I really like in each one, but also each has its shortcomings that the other one solves. Right now I'm using KDE, but could switch to Gnome tommorow and I'd be just as productive. If I was using Ubuntu, I'd probably just stick with Gnome. I use Konqueror in either one.
- pacmansyu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0maverick83: I only wrote that because I think linux should be for the "elite". Those users who need it to be pretty and easy should stick to windows.
- link_36p, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Those of u thinking point and click interfaces make newbs tards are right, but seriously wut linux newby wouldnt get scared off by the CLI? i started with GUI and now (after olny a few days) using the CLI frequetny to performe many things :)
- nacs, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0KDE all the way.
Nothing comes close to KDE IMO. - Wieland, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I've used both, but I've always strongly preferred Gnome over KDE. It seemed somewhat less clumsy and a lot less bloated.
But right the very first minute when I used Xfce, I was hooked. Now there's no way I'm ever going back to either. - thecoolestcow, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I don't like how he says that KDE doesn't recognize the multimedia keys, because that's not a big deal at all. He should just download xbindkeys. That's what I use.
- faizoro, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0It's interesting that people think KDE is prettier. To my eye- I just love Gnome- I have to usually set up Nautilus and various other subtle gui components just so- but the end result is something really slick for me. I can't do enough to KDE to reduce enough gaudiness. In Gnome- the OS sort of gets out of my way when I don't need it which is how I like it. The widgets are pretty diminutive compared with KDE from the rugged K inside a gear to the many things you can do to windows- to me KDE just has too much clutter and reminds me of my house whereas I would prefer to escape life while computing. Anyway- KDE is very good too- impressive, useful, maybe easier to use that Gnome- just not what I'd personally call prettier. Plus I wonder what proportion of extra CPU cycles (GPU - whatever) all that bling does to your computer. (not using 'bling' correctly, but my thesaurus is a little tired today- you know what I mean. Thank God for spell-check by the way- you'd be in for a real treat)
- Boondoggle, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"Well, dumbass, not everyone is as elite as you are. People like you are part of the problem. If Linux is going to attract the average Joe, it needs to be pretty. It needs to be easy.
And if they need to, they can discover that Linux actually has a CLI later.
The average user shouldn't need to know the ins and outs of the OS to use it. To them, it's only a tool that performs a few vital functions."
And you just summarized the some of the core advantages of OSX, with the additional benefit of not having to think about hardware compatibility.
Even advanced users (who value their time) see the appeal of systems like that. - MonkeyFit, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0My friend installed Ubuntu on my old POS laptop and it was pretty nice. Definitely got me interested in Linux. However, I told him that I wasn't quite used to it and he had to hold my hand through some very important things, like updating. When I said I was going to download Breezy Badger, he advised I check out Kubuntu since it seemed like it would be a more familiar environment to me. It was. I have learned more about Linux from using Kubuntu than I probably would have through Ubuntu. It was just more friendly to me (long-time Windows user) and I felt more comfortable exploring around in it. I may download GNOME for it as well. That all depends on if I can get all my hardware to work the way I want in Kubuntu. Speaking of which, thecoolestcow, where do i get this "xbindkeys". Did you get it through adept, or did you have to google it? I'd search in adept for it, but i just rebooted into Windows before reading this.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0http://www.say-so.org/view/v3ajklep
- nugget, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I've used KDE and Gnome, but I like KDE the most.
- dhasenan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Why does the author dual-boot between Ubuntu and Kubuntu? That's a fair bit of hard drive overhead when you could just copy startx to "startkde" and "startgnome", changing one line for each, and run GNOME or KDE as your mood swings. And then you would only have to exit your desktop environment to switch, not reboot.
Hell, you could have "startkde2" and "startgnome2" to have them both running at the same time. (I forget whether the startx script usually allows screen arguments; I know that xinit does.)
As for myself, Enlightenment DR16 suffices. I've used DR17, but there hasn't yet been an improvement besides eye candy, as far as I've seen. - Maverick83, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"And you just summarized the some of the core advantages of OSX, with the additional benefit of not having to think about hardware compatibility.
Even advanced users (who value their time) see the appeal of systems like that."
Sure, if you're made of money. - antiwmac, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0fluxbox > *
KDE > KDE
GNOME > GNOME
KDE and GNOME are totally different thing to me, I dont like both, its totally user's choice. - DiggerT, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0both enviroments are good, but personally i prefer KDE.
- Wi1d, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0!fluxbox
Out of the two I'd pick KDE though. - barbobot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0neither, they should use wmii.
- falloutsyndrome, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0i use fedora core, with a dual kde and gnome installtion, its nice :P
- Wieland, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"And you just summarized the some of the core advantages of OSX, with the additional benefit of not having to think about hardware compatibility."
Indeed, now that we're playing a nice round of "Gnome vs. KDE" anyway, why not start another flamewar over Linux vs. OSX? Or maybe some vi vs. emacs? Perl vs. Python, anyone? Star Wars vs Star Trek? The Beatles vs. The Rolling Stones? ;-) -
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