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- opencoder, on 10/11/2007, -4/+30KDE is going to be really nice. I keep saying it. I actually installed Dolphin and was using it for a while. Its really nice. I like how clean it is. And it's good that it will be a dedicated file manage, unlike Konquerer. Konquerer is too bloated as both an internet browser and a file browser. And with this kind of functionality being split off, it will improve Konquerer a great deal as an internet browser. Although until I get a browser that can have my Firefox setup, I guess I will be sticking with that.
- tony.pitale, on 10/11/2007, -4/+25I'm very excited about KDE 4, but these screen shots just make me worry that it isn't going to live up to the hype. I think it looks hideous even if it does have great usability. The iconography, the colors, pretty much all of it. Compiz/Beryl/Fusion have all done a great job with eye candy (adding a little usable functionality) and the new plasma screen shots look great but, KDE (and Gnome, too) just look blah and boring to me.
- huntedbyafreak, on 10/11/2007, -9/+26Features that the 'new' finder should have in Leopard, but it won't.
- HerbertScrunge, on 10/11/2007, -0/+15I think that I've now seen comments saying that "It looks exactly like Nautilus!"; "It's a complete clone of Explorer!"; "It's a carbon copy of Finder!".
You'd expect that the relation of "It's exactly like ... " would exhibit some degree of transitivity, but apparently not :)
Could it be, perhaps, that form follows function and that there's only so configurations a functional file manager can take? - Dankoozy, on 10/11/2007, -2/+13that actually looks nice. I dislike konqueror because its too 'heavy' and krusader doesn't have thumbnails. I see in the screenshot it has split view so ill have a go off compiling it later
Usually I would say the K in KDE stands for Krap but its good to see they are doing something about it. Mainly because it was too reliant on konqueror in the past - praisethelard, on 06/06/2008, -1/+11Y'know, your name is right above your post. I assure you my memory isn't that weak.
- ltmon, on 10/11/2007, -0/+9This site actually has some reasonably out-of-date screenshots. Check for some better indication of the work performed in the last 6 months:
http://davigno.oxygen-icons.org/2007/06/03/split-view/
http://youtube.com/watch?v=SFvXeq_gyKQ
http://youtube.com/watch?v=6dOteJMU-Qc - schestowitz, on 10/11/2007, -5/+13Here is a recent video of Dolphin (some might be curious):
http://liquidat.wordpress.com/2007/06/19/screencast-dolphins-nepomuk-integration/ - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -10/+17Oh my god, it looks and behaves just like Vista. And Ubuntu ships with window decorations that make it look exactly like Vista. What's next, putting a search box on the KDE menu? And then everyone can go back to bashing Vista? I had a suspicion that the emperor has no clothes, but this just takes the cake.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8good looks like Nautilius, hated Konqueror
- ordminute, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6KDE == Great!
KDE's Blue Plastic Toyland Look != Great!
Thankfully there are so many themes, but for new users looking at such screenshots .. ouch.
When will KDE artists honor the work of the coders with a theme that doesn't scream "Aren't we having FUN!" at you? - trunkster, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6Sorry, but I think people are going to be pun-ishing you for that joke.
- Rejun, on 10/11/2007, -5/+11Looking at top screenshot (http://enzosworld.gmxhome.de/screenshots.html).
Seems to me there's way too much going on in the screen. Those min/max and "X" buttons need to be cleaned up, as do the little "grab bars" (not sure what to call them). At least they admit it's a little ugly; calling it shiny is a bit of stretch.
-Rejun - HerbertScrunge, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7And "turning off the bouncing icon" fixes the other! I can't remember exactly where the setting is (I'm using Windows at work :() but it's under Launch Feedback, IIRC.
- turpenine, on 10/11/2007, -3/+8we could just talk about the ones it has and doesn't need.
- shakin, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6Are you retarded? I'm not a troll, but I'm wondering what could possibly possess someone to so harshly criticize cut and paste when you've obviously never used it.
FYI, cutting/copying and pasting a file is analogous to moving/copying a file. If you cut a file and don't do anything with it (or cut something else) you have aborted the move action, so the file remains where it was. Proper operating systems have clipboard managers so you can store the file you want to move in your clipboard history while you work on other items, then paste, or complete the move, later on. - Mejogid, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6That screenshot's of the KDE 3 version, with KDE icons, widgets theme and window decorator. http://enzosworld.gmxhome.de/screenshots.html shows an early KDE 4 screenshot, but still without the oxygen window border or widget style.
- mephitix, on 10/11/2007, -3/+8I like it.. especially that split view. It's interesting though, people seem to be commenting on how innovative this is but they fail to realize this completely copies most of Vista's file manager's capabilities: bookmarks in the nav, clicking on breadcrumbs in the nav, transforming the hierarchy into an editable text field, the different views modes, applying view properties to current/subfolders etc. I'm not bashing on it.. I think it's good that KDE is getting something like this, but still... makes me think people are constantly _searching_ for things to bash on Windows but tend to overlook the fact that other OS's do the same...
- magarnicle, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5I don't understand why all Linux file browsers refuse to support listing files so that you can actually see many files at a time. You either have to see big icons or files listed 1 line at a time with their size, date modified, etc. The view mode I use most of the time in Windows is "List" which shows the files without big icons and without extra details.
I guess those list controls come from the UI framework being used but it is really annoying... - generalloy, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4Those features were in Nautilus (GNOME) before they were in Vista.
- DAaaMan64, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4All this animosity has made me want to say.
I still love you Konq. - gotamd, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4This is great news. I don't mean to bash Konqueror, but it really is not well suited as a file manager for general use. It necessarily has far more complexities and options available because of its jack-of-all-trades nature.
- Mandeep, on 10/11/2007, -2/+5am i the only one who thinks the font sucks tremendously?
- AhmedB, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3This looks neat but my REAL problem with KDE is that it causes so much clutter (I'm of the 'minimalist' type of people, only have minimal title bars/window decoration and such) and with KDE unfortunately, I never seem able to strip it down enough to the minimal level I want/like, the navigation buttons seem to be always pretty big and even when I minimize them, they're still taking up precious screen space.
- HonoredMule, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4Message from HonoredMule:
HonoredMule agrees. HonoredMule thinks that people who sign messages already signed in the header, or reference themselves excessively or by name, are vain and crude. Well, at least he didn't speak in third person, like HonoredMule did. HonoredMule out.
- HonoredMule - ISVDamocles, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3In Nautilus, hold down the CTRL key and scroll the mouse wheel up and down. You can choose whatever icon size you wish.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4@Urusai: You forgot Windows ;)
- ommadawn, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4It seems that first they focus on usability and to complete all the features, eye-candy will hopefully come next. I guess that's the right sequence of doing things.
- ckSubs, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3So when did Explorer get cut/paste? Windows 95? Windows 3.1? 15 years ago? Earlier?
You should probably get on that Apple... - mephitix, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3Vista, eat your heart out.. oh wait, Dolphin looks and acts exactly like Vista's file manager...
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -4/+6How about a big one that it doesn't have: LIST VIEW. Look at this:
"Dolpin supports the view modes 'Icons', 'Details' and 'Preview'"
If those are the only three, that sucks. Where's the equivalent to Explorer's "list" view, which shows only filenames, in multiple columns? This shows you as many files as possible at once, which is often all you need.
Why are UIs going backward? - HerbertScrunge, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2This is the most baffling thing to me about KDE - their defaults, in pretty much every way (especially aesthetically, with gaudy themes and gauche bouncy-cursors, etc), utterly, thoroughly, suck. They almost seem to be calculated to annoy, which I know for a fact isn't the case. The apps are sufficiently configurable that fixing them is literally just a case of changing a value in a config file - a large number of the annoyances would take 0 code to eradicate. Most KDE devs are pretty undogmatic about their defaults - there's no "I want this this way by default even though the majority of people hate it, and you'll have to change it over my dead body!". And yet, in spite of apparently no friction placed prevent a concerted effort to tidy these defaults up once and for all, it never seems to get done. Truly bizarre.
Anyway, maybe this will be a focus over the KDE4 cycle, based on aseigo's talk:
http://akademy2007.kde.org/conference/talks/46.php - Herolint, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3There are two things I hate about KDE. One is Konqueror and the other is the gelatinous bouncing icon they use as a "wait" cursor. Dolphin fixes one of those things. It looks fairly nice.
- HonoredMule, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2I hope it handles long filenames properly (read, shows the whole name in a discreet mouseover tooltip, doesn't popup a giant splash screen o' crap or make you select it).
- generalloy, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2I think you can do something similar in Nautilus or Thunar (probably Dolphin too). You set it to "compact view" in preferences and put the zoom size very small.
http://thunar.xfce.org/images/thunar-compact-view-beta1.png - shakin, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Both Dolphin and Konqueror offer features that are better than anything I've seen on Windows or OS X. Let me know when Windows or OS X get something like kioslaves and then maybe I'll consider them usable operating systems. 80% of my daily work involves kioslaves in some way.
I hope Dolphin introduces find-as-you-type in the same way Nautilus does where instead of just looking for files/folders starting with the letter you type you can keep typing the whole word. - fabsh, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3Because that is what bash & ls are for.
- nxtwrld, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1the looks are dependent on what KDE/Emerald/etc theme, window decoration, icon theme you wish to use. KDE4 is more about functionality and usability - themes and eye-candy is another story...
Themes for current KDE are available at http://www.kde-look.org/ (and probably many other sites as well)
These is an icon theme, that should be default with KDE 4 - http://www.everaldo.com/crystal/?action=preview - DonCarcharo, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2Of course you mean Windows 95, but still this does look like a huge improvement over previous versions of KDE. I'd say that within 2-3 years it will be on par with Explorer and the Finder. Provided they don't change much in that time frame, that's a good thing for the Linux desktop. However if they end up being moving targets then Linux will once again be playing catch-up.
- SSYe, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Where are my Oxygen Icons?
- jonnyq, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1KDE themes have always looked bad to me. The first thing I ALWAYS do is try to find a decent one. Right now, I'm using a "Human" theme (similar to the Ubuntu Gnome default) for KDE. I love KDE's functionality, but whoever is in charge of the default theming for it... there's better themes out there. Also, they should make it trivially easy to change the size and look of the "K" button. I've always hated how it looked.
I hope the final release of Dolphin in KDE4 is better than the one I have installed right now. It's nothing special right now. - bromac, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1What? A search bar on the menu being from Vista?
Tiger called...it wants the Spotlight back. Seriously, Vista started the blatant rip off game. Ubuntu's just going along with the trends, and competing.
And Ubuntu with Desktop Search would rock and you know it. - Complexium, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Nothing like the simplicity of the Thunar file manager.
- bromac, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1One of Linux's (KDE/GNOME/Whatever) fatal flaws is clumsy navigation within the filesystem.
There's no point in having a gui if I can't visually navigate my computer's filesystem. I don't know how many times I switch to a Terminal window just so I can effectively go from directory to directory to find the files I'm looking for.
Definitely a lot of room for improvement. Good on ya KDE. - sumguy231, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Yeah, I see what you mean:
http://image2.sina.com.cn/IT/cr/2007/0104/3649873083.png
Windows 3.1 sure was ahead of its time, it had breadcrumb navigation and thumbnail previews way before this Dolphin crap. What a joke. - smurf22, on 10/11/2007, -2/+3Sorry to hijack but if you dont want to have a threaded system that says view replies ect just choose sort by most diggs and it goes away.
- bromac, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Yours is worse trunkster.
Using the word "pun" in a pun is..well...lame. Where'd you get the idea for that one?!? So pun-ny! - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1I would rather have the gnome menu bars with the kde file browser
- SteveMax, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2"Split view" has been one of the most useful features of Konqueror since KDE 3.1 (maybe it was there before, but I remember it from 3.1). It's not "new" in any possible way.
- kris33, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1So there is basically nothing new and useful to see here?
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