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- Sairgem, on 10/12/2007, -3/+27"This is FREAKIN SAD, that you have to advertise to help your fledging "KDE" project on digg, in hopes that some loser basement-dwelling acne-infested teenagers are actually going to HELP your project? PATHETIC"
Everytime I see a comment this immature I seem to think it came from a basement dwelling acne infested teenager. Maybe it's just me. - sugardaddy4242, on 10/12/2007, -6/+25When people say that linux is ugly they don't know what they are talking about. Linux is just the OS and the Desktop Enviroments like KDE and GNOME are what people call "ugly".
This is a big step in the attractiveness of Linux. Since, many Linux distros come with KDE - biometricks, on 10/12/2007, -4/+23^ Way to kill the joke, guys.
- stoanhart, on 10/12/2007, -1/+17"This is FREAKIN SAD, that you have to advertise to help your fledging "KDE" project on digg, in hopes that some loser basement-dwelling acne-infested teenagers are actually going to HELP your project? PATHETIC"
Damn it. Here I was hoping to contribute. Unfortunately, it seems I don't match all of the requirements. I live in a basement, but I rent it - it's not my moms. While I have a spot on my nose I just popped yesterday, I don't really have acne. And damnit, I just turned 20.
Do you think they will still take me??? - jhaven, on 10/12/2007, -2/+18@heinousjay: Wow, comprehension isn't your strong suit, is it?
Sugardaddy said that people often complain about Linux being ugly, when, in fact, it is KDE/Gnome/WM of choice that is "ugly".
By "prettying up" KDE, you also "pretty up" a user's Linux experience since many distros come with KDE.
No contradictions there. - bdmbdm, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16I know this has nothing to do with this story, but...
Digg should really have an small sticky on top of the main page mentioning about DuggMirror.com. Because it seems that in 95% of the stories we see, a couple people end up asking for mirrors because the original link is down. ;)
And no I'm not trying to sound like a dick, it's simply a suggestion. :) - i440, on 10/12/2007, -4/+15I hope KDE is excellent and blows everyone away. I would be quite pleased if that were so.
I would also like to see a departure from the similarities of Windows. - XVampireX, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12Not bad. Actually, that would rock :)
- mozzep, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11at verucasalt:
nah man, it might seem that way, but open source is actually about community, sharing, and anyone who both wants to and can contribute, contributing. If it were microsoft looking for help, then you might have a point. - beeman, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11
Ofcourse, at duggmirror!
http://www.duggmirror.com/linux_unix/KDE_lookking_for_people_to_bring_more_eyecandy_to_KDE_4/ - Giever, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12I seem to be the only one that thinks Gnome looks the best. That includes all environments, not just ones related to Linux.
- inkysplat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9you mean GNU/Linux right? :-P
- Snakey, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8I don't think I would run KDE on Windows, I think this is primarily for the engine, to run some killer apps like amarocK, imho this app blows away every single other music player, yes even iTunes, it's much much much better than iTunes, I never really understand the iPod/iTunes hype, in iTunes that library is one big messy thing, compared to amarocK, it's all in one big list, which gives me a tiny tiny button on the scrollbar.
So, amarocK is my n°1 in my most wanted list apps to be available on every OS :-)
(I know I'm living in a dream world) - psylence, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Did KDE touch you in a naughty place? Why are you so mad at KDE?
They're re-writing an entire desktop environment and associated KDE-distributed applications and you're mad that it's taking a while and they aren't catering to your need for constant insight? Join the team, contribute, drive the development where you feel it should go. - jrepin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Yes, KDE is based on Trolltech Qt framework and version 4 of it (for Windows and Mac OS) is now finally licensed under GPL license so KDE 4 should also work in Windows. Well maybe as not as good as on Linux since Windows kernel and system in general don't provide some features but still.
- kungfuice, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7I don't find KDE that ugly, I find it to be a well put together window manager, that maintains a common appearance across all kde applications. I find KDE to be somewhat bloated as is though so I'm wondering how much of a performance hit all of this Eye Candy will have.
I'd rather have a window manager that looks good, and performs great, then a window manager that is full of eye candy and slow as heck, that's just my opinion though. - bdmbdm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6You're wrong. Linux is only the kernel.
But I do agree with you. People should stop blaming the distro for the uglyness. And start looking into desktop managers. - ebob, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9The problem with calling Linux ugly because of KDE is that the two are not really related. Linux is just the kernel. KDE is a desktop environment. KDE can be used with other operating systems (UNIX for example). Calling Linux ugly because of KDE is like calling a car ugly because of a bumper sticker.
- Vektuz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6maybe it should be like starship troopers. Have very few controls and at the bottom it says "Do you want to know more?" :)
- championchap, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6i dunno, ive been a Windows user all my life, but i actually really like the KDE environment. I think it looks MUCH better than the windows one.
- jrepin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Yes people can become famous because of programming FLOSS. And with the adoption of FLOSS getting stronger and stronger the chances for getting famous also increase.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7"Calling Linux ugly because of KDE is like calling a car ugly because of a bumper sticker."
Did you fail Analogy Structures 101? A better one is:
Calling Linux ugly because of KDE is like calling a car ugly because of its chassis.
This is a better analogy because a car is driven by its engine. The engine is the kernel. If you have a great engine, the car works great, and if you have an awesome kernel, the operating system works great. On the other hand, when people LOOK at a car or an operating system with their eyes, they don't see the engine/kernel. They instead see what's displayed on the screen or, in the case of a car, the chassis.
I hope you've enjoyed this mindlessly boring analogy argument. :) - MrTranscendence, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5On the contrary, it's been my experience that KDE is actually *faster* than Gnome - at least on the somewhat crappy hardware that I've been forced to use. I suppose I'm falling back on that nebulous concept of gui snappiness, but, in particular, opaque window dragging and resizing seem much smoother on KDE than on Gnome.
Additionally, it seems like icons load faster; perhaps they're pre-loaded. I dunno. Startup time is a bit of an issue, I agree.
On the other hand - Gnome is purty; the UIphiles that seem to get on a lot of other people's nerves are doing a good job, as far as I'm concerned. - drizek, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5KDE takes a fewseconds longer to start up, but other than that KDE is faster than gnome.
KDE 3.5.3 has also sliced off about 2-3 seconds from the KDE startup time, which is nice. - raid517, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Take a look here for all those people saying they think KDE is ugly.
http://www.kde-look.org/index.php?xcontentmode=8x9x10x11x12x13x14x15x16
What you peeps don't understand is that you can change ALL of it, ever single last pixel and byte of it to make it look whatever way you want.
You can't possibly say KDE is ugly - because if you do, you are simply saying that you don't know how to change it to make it look the way you want. It is no one else's fault if you don't have any imagination.
Gnome is cool too - but I prefer KDE because there is so much more that can be changed.
Now if you want to talk about ugly I think Vista is really frikin ugly - but what the hey, if anything this just proves beauty is in the eye of the beholder. We are all entitled to our own views on what and what is not attractive.
Heck my next favorite GUI is fluxbox - which I think can look very pretty - but most Windows peeps wouldn't get the very simple clean interface at all. They have become so used to bloat that I guess they have now been trained to demand it. - grapeape25, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8I really don't see why people think KDE is even ugly in it's present state, sure there is room for improvment but it is still much better than many other GUI like the Windows...
- mikm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I've always preferred Gnome over KDE, but the mockups I've seen look pretty damn slick and may convince me to switch.
- DefaultXR, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Don't worry, there have been many speed improvements with Qt4, which is the graphics toolkit KDE4 will use. A KDE developer (Aaron Seigo) in a recent post to his blog said that, if anything, KDE 4 will run faster than previous versions because of these fixes. Thank you Trolltech and KDE for bringing us such great software!
And besides, even if it were slower, I'm sure the people who develop KDE would leave in an option to disable extra animation and useless art. - mxcl, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4This is crap. Try the following:
resize a KDE app in KDE, resize a gnome app in gnome.
switch virtual desktops in KDE and gnome
start Konsole, start gnome-terminal
start konqi, start nautilus
KDE is much faster than GNOME, the only place it is slower is startup time for the desktop environment itself. People who say otherwise are not being honest or see performance differently to me.
KMenu opens slower though than gnome menu though. So things like this probably influence people as they are common actions. - jrepin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I'm not a computer science student but I found it quite easy to learn Qt. I've used a book called C++ GUI Programming With Qt 3, which is available for free download (legally). A new edition for Qt 4 is also just out now.
But I'm not sure if Qt knowledge is the exact thing that KDE is looking for here. It is more like computer graphics and OpenGL and there should be more books about this in collage libraries. The only problem could be the documentation for Xorg XRender and stuff like this. But I'm not sure about it. I'm sure that KDE developers who work on this will be glad to help and point anyone interested into this into the right direction and help them out learning the required stuff. - energeek, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I ran KDE 3.2 on 128mb ram 3 years ago and have been running it on 256 for the last 1 1/2 years. Even with most eye candy enabled i don't see any performance hit as far as normal usage is concerned. And i don't even have a GPU to take some load of the processor, and still no problems. Just disable all transparency, thats the main killer.
- pairanoyd, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6I don't want bling-bling, I want ROCK SOLID STABILITY....
That's precisely why I dumped Xgl and Compiz after less than two weeks of installing it.
They are wrecking KDE with all the *****. Make it look decent but make it WORK..
Hell, look at winders, it looks like CRAP with it's playskool icons.
Half of windows still looks like WFWG 3.1 mixed up with playskool weebles people. It doesn't take much to look better than that crap.
They need to quit trying to beat the new windows and quit trying to imitate the Mac and just put out a rock solid desktop.
And that's my 2 cents. - psylence, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4File bugs, posts on digg aren't all that effective.
- Vektuz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Actually, a good composition manager isn't all about bling.
Without a good composition manager, effects such as apple's "Expose" function are not possible, or are buggy or clunky or not quite working.
Being able to alt-tab through live previews, layer things, add transparency where it matters, put stuff on the desktop (dashboard style) without a crazy hack, requires a good, stable, solid window manager that supports composition.
Compiz and Xgl are both kinda hacks... they're impressive hacks, but have nothing to do with KWin/KDE. The KDE folks want KWIN to be a good foundation composition manager, done in the same object oriented clean approach as the rest of KDE endeavors to be... - fulldecent, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4there is a KDE Google SoC project to reduce startup times, headed by Lubos. he is also in charge of KWin and KSMServer, which is my SoC project.
- bruce89, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I realise that I will be flamed now, but Gnome 2.16 will have compositing as well.
- leohart, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Looks good for people who know what they are doing. How about people who have lots of time and want to help out? (aka. college students) Gotta pick up those books from library. Not many cover Qt.
- i440, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8KDE is not much more attractive then Windows and certainly no where near as attractive as OS X. Hopefully, KDE 4 will change that.
- FlyingLlama, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3KDE is very nice, and appeals to many people I know.
IMO, it just has "too much". Too many options in the control panel, too bloated and full of all kinds of little widgets and fun stuff it gets complicated and many times does not appeal to a new user.
And the fact it reminds me of windows a little too much.
Hopefully KDE 4 will be able to address many of those issues... - mallow005, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3KDE can scale much better than windows. Don't like all the options? Don't use them. Using a minimalist DE or window manager hardly takes less system resources considering you'll probably still want a browser, console, file manager, chat, etc. If you use the KDE apps for all those, they share libraries so resources are used efficiently. If you use fluxbox, gaim, konsole/aterm, firefox, and some file manager, you'll be using almost as much resources.
- macewan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3what exactly does a dick sound like?
ok, just kidding. I do agree with the mirror info being needed at the top.
& thanks to beeman for the mirror :-) - energeek, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3ilyag: give the kde project a million dollars, good hi powered machines, some wacom tablets, and watch the 'pro team' lie in the dust. Have you seen the Crystal or Nuvola icon sets, the krisp widget theme, or maybe lipstik, or baghira, and windecs like crystal, alloyon
- dumbkiwi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Not yet. There has been recent work on making kdelibs stable enough for people to develop against. As I understand it, this is all but completed, albeit later than originally expected. Screenshots of a working kde4 would look like kde3, but with some rendering quirks, so it's not worth looking at (yet).
- Deusiah, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I disagree, Trillian looks like a PoS compared to Gaim, I like applications that actually use the theme your using and don't insist on using their own that looks nothing like the rest of your desktop.
- psylence, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3ilyag: Yeah, your point is reinforced by the fact that no small team has ever created a product as good or better than a large company. Ever.
- geronimo, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6I used KDE for years up until a few months ago when, upset at the long startup time associated with KDE, I switched to gnome after reading about it being faster.. I think eye candy is the wrong direction for KDE, there are some serious speed issues with KDE that should be addressed before building on top of it. Also, gnome is a bit more rigid when it comes to placement of icons in the "start" menu, which is good, after years of shuffling stuff around in KDE, my start menu looked very cluttered. Gnome doesn't easily allow that flexibility which translates into a big advantage over time.
I don't know if it's because KDE is based on qt, an object oriented gui framework, but KDE just seems really slow compared to gnome. I've programmed in qt so I can imagine it's all the virtual method calls, but I could be wrong. In any case, KDE/gnome beat the pants out of windows and I'm happy we have choices.. I think having only one window manager would be a disadvantage. I can already run KDE apps in Gnome and vice versa. - Zanneth, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3KDE makes it easy to make myself feel "at home" with all of it's customizable interface features. I'm glad they're kicking it up a notch!
- macewan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4mirror?
- Quactaur, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5I want a version for windows. V4 should have a port, according to some older news posts. The cygwin version is too buggy and the native version that was being developed a while back is dead now.
- energeek, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I really like KDE and hope they can really create the KDE4 envisioned, I would hate to see them die.
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