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- bettermentflux, on 10/12/2007, -0/+29Extra added bonus: Amarok 2 preview included on disc.
- Roger, on 10/12/2007, -1/+27How about some screenshots?
- Irco, on 10/12/2007, -0/+22"Gnome > Kde, so digg me down"
why do people have to do this...they both have pros and cons, but the good thing is that they are both GOOD! and free, and you get to choose. - gert2, on 10/12/2007, -0/+19Made a torrent:
http://guitarochocolate.googlepages.com/KDE4-liveCD.i686-0.0.12.iso.torrent
Comment abuse. - lazyrussian, on 10/12/2007, -1/+18Will Do.
-Avid KDE User.
I'm personally looking forward tot he addition of mac-widgets into KDE - superkaramba is bumming me out. - sishgupta, on 10/12/2007, -2/+19I prefer Gnome also however I think that KDE4 will be an amazing release and possibly give reason for me and others like me to switch.
- Roger, on 10/12/2007, -6/+22Assuming I wanna take the time to try the LiveCD.
- crestfall, on 10/12/2007, -0/+15Mac widgets? Are you serious? I'm getting jealous.
And superkaramba is bumming you out? The themes are a hell of a lot sexier than gdesklets.
Overall, I prefer Gnome, but I think some catch-up is in order. - sanguinemoon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11I see that you don't know what KDE 2 looks like
- gert2, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9http://guitarochocolate.googlepages.com/KDE4-liveCD.i686-0.0.12.iso.torrent
- atrain, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9what about a TORRENT!!!
if too many ppl download this, it will go down pritty fast!
(though for now, my speeds are acceptable...) - Irco, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8great for openSuse, still an awesome distro that I use daily, im happy to see they are planning for a smooth transition to kde 4 :)
- HerbertScrunge, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9Time to do some hype control :/ Honestly, people seem to be blowing KDE4 up into the Second Coming, and just setting themselves and others up for disappointment :(
@crestfall
"Mac widgets? Are you serious? I'm getting jealous."
There's pretty much no evidence that Plasma will support Mac widgets. At all. It was just a throwaway comment from one of the developers not actually involved with Plasma. That's not to say that it won't, sometime during the KDE4 cycle, but I would be very, very surprised if it shipped with KDE4.0, or even 4.1.
@coolwalking
"I'm mainly looking forward to the supposed performance increase. I love KDE, but it is full of bloat. I would love to be able to run it on my older machines."
This one's trickier. There are, as far as I'm aware, no published benchmarks showing that Qt4 is any faster than Qt3, with the possible exception of
http://zrusin.blogspot.com/2006/10/benchmarks.html
by a Qt developer. This one's a little artificial, though, as it's mainly about rendering geometric primitive at a high framerate, which doesn't occur very often in most desktops. I think it also depends on a good XRender implementation, which not all hardware/ driver combos will be able to support.
However, I have seen several pieces of anecdotal evidence that suggests that Qt4's memory usage is lower than that of Qt3, BUT there's a lot of new technology making it's way into KDE4 (strigi, Nepomuk, Plasma, etc) and, depending on how modularised this is, you *will* be paying the price in terms of RAM usage. No matter how well-optimised your code is, eventually you will stop getting additional functionality for no extra cost. It's unavoidable.
So I would predict that, by the time KDE4.2, say, rolls around, the initial "empty desktop" memory consumption will be higher than the corresponding KDE3, but that this could *perhaps* end up being more memory efficient when you have many apps open by virtue of the cumulative memory reduction from Qt4 apps over Qt3 ones. Whether this translates to better performance on your old hardware is difficult to say, but I think with old hardware having a high initial footprint almost always makes things worse - you probably won't be able to comfortably open up enough apps to make the Qt4 savings apparent.
But maybe I'm just being pessimistic :) - killerofkiller, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6screenshots?
- aston127, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Screenshots: http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=802&slide=4
- michuk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6KDE4 Live-CD review: http://polishlinux.org/kde/kde4-devel-live-cd-review-work-in-progress/
- burke, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7GNOME users:
I used to be a die-hard GNOME user. I absolutely hated KDE, after using it on Knoppix, then Debian. I ran GNOME for years on my Ubuntu desktop, all the while convinced it was better than KDE.
About a year and a half ago, I switched to Gentoo. I decided to use KDE, since I had been hearing so much about it. At first, quite honestly, it sucked. I hated the toy-like feel. However, after a couple of days of playing around with it, it really started to sink in just how much more polished than GNOME KDE is. I was blown away. I can't even think of a specific single feature I prefer; it just sits better with me on the whole.
I'm not suggesting all you GNOME users drop everything and run to KDE, but I propose this: Try it. Install KDE. Use it for two weeks. Make it look exactly how you want it. Make it look like GNOME if you have to. If you're not completely satisfied, I'll give you your money back. - coolwalking, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5People with the completed HTTP download, please open the .torrent file and point your client at the completed download. I think I'm the only seed right now, with 11 leechers.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8Where did 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 story go?
- cyclopsface, on 10/12/2007, -6/+10Amarok for OSX!!!
can't wait to ditch itunes :) - Spr0k3t, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Gnome and KDE both have their place. I prefer Gnome but KDE is so much more customizable.
- HerbertScrunge, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Afraid not - in fact, assuming this is a recent build, there's no actual desktop at all - just the kicker!
Plasma is still little more than a bunch of ideas and KRunner at the moment due to the laundry list of demands on Aaron Seigo's time during the kdelibs porting/ cleaning phase. This phase, according to the Release Schedule, should be over today, so hopefully he'll be able to start work on it soon.
Also: kwin_composite went mainline yesterday, so hopefully future builds will deliver this for some much-needed testing (development so far has been carried out by three guys in a very obscure SVN branch). - sishgupta, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I'm maxing out my connection on this. I get the feeling that most people wont be downloading this one.
- atrain, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3yup, the download was consistent + fast the whole time. Just a safety precaution, in case of a lot of demand. Also, its always nice to have torrents, cheaper for the host.
- rypaintD, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3This looks NOTHING like KDE 2.
KDE 2 looks extremely Krappy Kompared to this.
But REMEMBER EVERYBODY! This is a just an alpha release. - biffta, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3So I downloaded this in about 1 hour. Burned the disk and just gave it a try. Played with it for about 5 minutes. Looks like KDE to me. What a productive day I'm having.
- clark1001, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3It looks pretty good. I still love me my Gnome but there are some things about KDE that really impress me. Good job devs!
- coolwalking, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4I'm mainly looking forward to the supposed performance increase. I love KDE, but it is full of bloat. I would love to be able to run it on my older machines.
Surely everyone knows the whole KDE vs. GNOME thing is completely tongue-in-cheek. They're both great. - voxel, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I have yet to try it out... but from the screenshots, it looks exactly the same... the icons are a little more 'glassy'... sweet
- dukeinlondon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2KDE4 is what I am waiting for to upgrade from openSUSE 10.1. Great to see that things are shaping up nicely. Will give it a try, that's for sure.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I cant see any improvements at all lets hope they are fixing the back end.
- capitapf, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5happily
- grigio, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Hi I'm a GNOME user but I'd really7 like to try KDE4 opensuse livecd but unfortunatly only this kind of livecd doesn't work on my PC... and I got this
http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/3544/wimgp3162qq6.jpg
Is it a known bug? - smiley2billion, on 10/12/2007, -6/+7Ew. SuSE makes me feel all icky now.
- abxy, on 10/12/2007, -5/+6Seriously, screen shots or I don't care.
- NJHewitt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1that is odd. you should really be asking at #kde on irc.freenode.net or a KDE wiki instead tho.
- grg183, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I've just tried out the LiveCD and I must say that so far I'm not really impressed :( ... I noticed a few interface improvements in toolbars and menus but overall nothing really new and innovative from the current KDE 3.5.6 ...but well of course this is a very early relase.
regarding the KDE vs GNOME talk, well when I first started using GNU/Linux, GNOME was my desktop of choice ..don't know really why ...probably because all my favorite distros came with GNOME as default desktop. I had always thought of KDE as being an 'outdated' desktop, while GNOME looked to me as more lively and modern. Then once, after a discussion with a friend of mine, I decided to give KDE a serious try. I tried it out for a few days and never looked back again !! :) Today I use mainly KDE although I have GNOME installed as well on all of my computers, and once in a while I pop in. Personally I find KDE much more powerful, intuitive and fast than GNOME. It has a much more polished finish and I really like the desktop space usage of KDE ...I think GNOME wastes way too much of the desktop area. What I don't like in KDE is the typical default settings ...In particular I really hate that bouncy icon thing and the bottom panel is way too large...and other minor settings but after a few minutes of configuration, I just love it ! - crestfall, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1the last screen says it's version 3.80.3... ???
- Chaoticwhizz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I downloaded the .iso through the link and it was maxing out my ISP speed so the server is not busy at all. I got the torrent and imported the data so I am seeding now. However the download link is much faster.
- Codename, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1This is cool thanks, I use the Knoppix LiveCD, I think its great.
- mydave, on 07/24/2008, -0/+0this is cool, well done thanks!
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http://www.ocflex.com/
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http://www.chasr.org/ - subramanyam86, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2Does this include a preview to Plasma (The OSX dashboard like feature in KDE4) ??
- crazybrit, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1Yeah, we need a torrent. Having to wait two and a half hours is unacceptable!
- Ngai, on 10/12/2007, -5/+1Why does there have to be two...
not 1...?...
i'm soo confused.. :( - mikelieman, on 10/12/2007, -8/+4ratpoison > kde, gnome, etc.
- bob12321, on 10/12/2007, -15/+8Its a LiveCD you can make your own if you want.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -16/+2I love Linux but damn is that all they got lets hope they make improvements because that looks like kde 2.0.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -60/+9Gnome > Kde, so digg me down
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