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- MBHoy, on 10/10/2007, -2/+31Life's too short for "next >"
- hadak, on 10/10/2007, -1/+21Thank GOD they're finally porting AmaroK to Windows and Mac. I've been waiting for this, patiently, for years.
- mrmorris, on 10/10/2007, -3/+19"...the most popular desktop environment..."
Says who? I only play with Linux for fun, yet it seems to be that all the major distros ship Gnome as the default (Ubuntu, Suse...). - allywilson, on 10/10/2007, -2/+17But will it be having Slim Fast for breakfast and lunch and then a healthy dinner?
I really, really like KDE4, and am looking forward to Dec 11, but...it puts it self forward as the 'power' window manager rather than the 'easy' window manager (as Gnome seems to do) - but I'm a 'power' user, and I like my CLI. Gnome doesn't get in my way, but doesn't offer half the functionaity. KDE gets in my way, but does offer the functionality! What do I do? - inactive, on 10/10/2007, -1/+14I hope this is as cool as it sounds!!
- HerbertScrunge, on 10/10/2007, -0/+11This years desktoplinux survey ( http://desktoplinux.com/news/NS8454912761.html ) is the first year ever in which GNOME has topped KDE. The LinuxQuestions poll ( http://jeremy.linuxquestions.org/2007/02/18/2006-linuxquestionsorg-members-choice-award-winners-announced/ ) has KDE consistently winning every year by a large margin.
Before this year's desktoplinux poll, the only place where I had seen GNOME top KDE in popularity is on the Ubuntu forums (no surprise there!). So (until *very* recently, at least), GNOME may have been the most popular with distros, but KDE was the most popular with voting users. - heartcoldfusion, on 10/10/2007, -10/+20KDE always looked good. It's like OS X for people without ADD.
- HerbertScrunge, on 10/10/2007, -1/+11Exceptionally well designed UI's can cater to the power users as well as new users simultaneously - not that I necessarily claim KDE manages this, but just to point out that the two need not be in conflict ;)
How does a desktop environment "get in your way", exactly? - maybeway36, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7PCLinuxOS uses KDE too.
- GMorgan, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7I hope so. What we seriously need in the computing world is an API that is both native and cross platform. This will enable the lazy among us to be cross platform without resorting to Java.
- TheHydrogens, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7To each his own really... but the top bar is the exact same size as the bottom bar. I like to use a dock at the bottom and just keep my menus at the top. The nice thing about KDE and gnome is that you can make it look however you so choose.
- KibibyteBrain, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6At the very worst, you can just set a keyboard shortcut to launch a terminal. End of all problems for the power user, I don't care how annoying the desktop is...it could even be Microsoft SAM, and youd still be good to go.
That said, KDE4 seems to be trying to improve the GUI "workflow" on linux. The GUI doesn't have to be as inefficient as most CLI junkies just assume it is. Sure, the CLI will almost always have higher input bandwidth, but GUIs designed right as proven by killer apps like Quicksilver show that the GUI still can offer a pretty solid middle ground if used right. - schestowitz, on 10/10/2007, -6/+12Windows and Mac OS X - not yet. A tad rough on the edges, but a good phase for migration to Linux.
- GaiaAP, on 10/10/2007, -9/+15KDE4 FTW. I'm itching for the final release in December. Now that's what I call a Christmas present.
- GMorgan, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6It's Unix. We could probably compile GStreamer on there and bind Phonon against that.
- bigdan1754, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6psst. Hit the print button on the bottom, you can read the whole article on one page ;-)
- adolfojp, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5People won't move to another OS because of a music player. Amarok is nice but it is not the killer app that you are looking for. However, for a regular user, the transition from Windows to Linux will be easier if both operating systems share common apps.
- skyshock1, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6Meh, that looks like a Win98 rip off. I like the default better. But that's just my preference, and that's what's nice about Linux is that you can change EVERYTHING if you don't like it.
- lufthanza, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5KDE isn't a company. If you want someone hired to design for them, why don't you pay their paycheck?
- msgyrd, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5Just a tad egocentric eh?
- bebopredux, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5I still don't know whether I prefer KDE to Gnome. But, for me at least, Gnome seems a tad less prone to problems than I have with KDE. I like the look of KDE more but, Gnome just seems to run a bit better. Nothing I can quantify. I'm running PCLinux OS alone on one box and love the look of it. Running Debian Etch on my MBP via VMWare and it really shines there. Big time. With Debian I use Gnome. So, go figure. I think, like with anything Linux, that it all depends on so many things. In my experience, Gnome on Ubuntu and Debian, KDE on PCLinux OS. These distros running these desktop environments are personally my favs.
- maybeway36, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6have you seen rhythmbox? it won't even maximize right.
- GMorgan, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5It will be more than just the Qt libraries. The entire API should see ports. As for complete shell replacement, it is possible but I've not seen any plans for such.
- GMorgan, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5To be expected though. We need to get solid reference implementations of Phonon and co before we can look towards making Mac and Windows ports.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -2/+7I'm sorry, I don't get this whole KDE is like "windows" thing.
I took my gnome desktop, removed the top bar and added the ubuntu Main Menu bottom to the bottom left corner of the screen, just like the start button. I don't know why it doesn't come this way by default. It looks so much better and that top bar took up so much screen space.
See my desktop screenshot...
http://img466.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotra3.png - AirRaven, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4I'm curious to see if any kind of usable Complete Shell Replacement comes out of this project- a complete port of the K Deskop Environment to Windows, rather than just the Qt Libraries, perhaps?
- HerbertScrunge, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4I'm sure Apple-quality designers don't come cheap, and the KDE project probably doesn't have large sums of money to throw around.
- GMorgan, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5Depends on what it is. There are some tasks where CLI with some 1 liner scripts will always do a million times better than a GUI. There are some things which aren't even easily possible via the CLI. It's not really a matter of making the GUI handle tasks suited to the CLI, it's not possible in most cases.
- HerbertScrunge, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4There are rumours that TrollTech will be adopting Phonon and writing the Windows/ OS X backends themselves, which would be nice. I'm not sure if this is anything more than a rumour, though. Plus, it still leaves Solid, and I'm not sure how hard a Windows/ OS X backend for this will be.
- Ramble, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5I think what he means is like the millions of men options in KDE, while they cater to the advanced user as each one does many things it can be a pain searching for the one you want. Something like the start menu search in Vista is a good way since it caters to the new user and the power user.
- fafpak, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5No one is stopping you from liking your Vista, even though it has steel bars in the "window" that prevent you from actually climbing out into the free world, the world which you can only view....from a "vista"
- HerbertScrunge, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4No, the desktop itself will not run on Windows (it is quite heavily tied to X11, and also aseigo is fairly opposed to the idea), but the libraries and apps should - and natively, at that.
- earlycj5, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5OpenSuSE does not use Gnome as it's desktop, SLED does as I recall. Redhat does, Slackware doesn't.
- niallabrown, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Umm really? Just for a music player? I think of it as the more programs that are on Linux that people find familiar, the more likely they are to move. I don't think KDE on Windows is a bad idea either. More people will become comfortable with it then buy it peinstalled as those options become available or install it themselves to get away from Windows.
- vagarach, on 10/10/2007, -2/+6whatever that means
- lufthanza, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4It's not really fair to compare gnome on debian, a distro that focuses on stability, against kde on pclinuxos. Anything on debian is going to be more stable than on pclinuxos, that's just the way things work.
- GMorgan, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4What exactly do you not like about it? Unprofessional and unaligned are meaningless in isolation. What about it is unprofessional and unaligned.
- cynicist, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3One of the reasons I became interested in Linux was the quality of gaim on Windows. It was much better than alternative im clients at the time and I was shocked that it was free. After learning that it was open source (and what that meant), I decided to see what else was out there. Now I run Arch Linux.
- maybeway36, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4yakuake
- ljubomir, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4Like you Vista, but with 1/3 of the resources, 5x the features, and 100% less price. And cooler. ;)
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3I tried KDE3 instead of Gnome but found it unusable, personally I prefer lightweight window managers such as Fluxbox, Enlightenment 0.16 (Didn't fancy e17) but I'm stuck with Gnome because I want to use Compiz (XFCE might work with it too but I don't find it as nice).
KDE4 might be a lot shiner but I get the feeling it will still have the same usability. - Amablue, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3There are a lot more options to tinker with than in Windows. The more in depth stuff can be changed most of the time by editing configuration files which you can do without knowing how to program. You only have to know how to program if you want to change some of the really low level or fundamental things.
- Amablue, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3The problem would be that having a designer would be pointless, as everyone can customize nearly every aspect of it. Sure a few people would keep the defaults, but I think most people who use Linux at this point like their ability to choose and would customize the hell out of it.
- whataboutdave, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3iTunes doesn't maximize at all...
- arbulus, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Great. If that's what you like, you have the functionality to do so. That's what is great about Linux. You can make your desktop environment look however you want. Me: I prefer my panel and main menu at the top and AWN at the bottom (somewhat OS X like.)
- morphie, on 10/10/2007, -2/+5I'm not impressed at all. When the KDE4 project started, the promisses were good. The idea was good. The intention was innovative. And now, we have software-rendered alpha blending on a yet-to-complete plasma desktop, a theme which uses dark-green (come on!! plz!) and a window manager that doesn't understand the gradient of the window it is holding.
And what about solid? Where are the articles about solid? Solid, that's something I would wanne hear about. - mikedoth, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4Troll.
- niallabrown, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4Another reason people can drop Windows once they are familiar with Amarok
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3OS X is not a desktop environment.
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