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- Mik3y, on 05/05/2009, -5/+107WTF, no pics??????
- jonbach, on 05/05/2009, -1/+36Screenshots and demo videos at http://kde.org/announcements/4.2/index.php
- outoforder, on 05/05/2009, -2/+34An article about a great user interface with NO PICS? Fail.
- zemkacz, on 05/05/2009, -3/+24Why are there no pictures in a article about kde?
- 3242130193, on 05/05/2009, -3/+22I don't see why people are complaining so much about screenshots. The point of the article is to make note of KDE's improvements on stability and performance. If you want to see what the Aya theme looks like, it'll take you straight to kde-look.org. Just relax - we all know what KDE4 looks like aside from a few colors and a dark or light theme.
- Schober43, on 05/05/2009, -3/+17Damnit! There are no pictures!!!
- inactive, on 05/05/2009, -2/+15A: Some people choose to remove the clock applet from the bar to leave more space for other widgets, such as the task manager.
B: You can have the bar auto-hide, or even remove the bar altogether if you want and have the same or similar functionality implemented using desktop widgets.
C: Many of the above people, such as those with multiple screens and/or very large monitors choose to work without maximizing their windows and thus still have a portion of the desktop underneath visible.
D: They're not enabled by default so they don't bother anyone who doesn't go turn them on.
My point: Just because something is ostensibly useless to you doesn't mean it's not a potential lifesaver to someone else. - maz2331, on 05/05/2009, -0/+12I've been running 4.2 on my laptop, and it is a HUGE improvement over the previous 4.x releases. It's usable now - maybe on a par with Vista (though different).
Not talking about apps here, but the basic desktop and windows work really well and look good. - CATSCEO2, on 05/05/2009, -0/+12You forgot Xfce and Fluxbox, which are much faster than Gnome when it comes to older hardware.
- BrownieMix, on 05/05/2009, -0/+11I've never used KDE, only GNOME. I really need to check it out...
- srg13, on 05/05/2009, -0/+11I'm a Gnome guy, but I'm glad that KDE4 is finally shaping up to be a good, solid desktop. It's great that Linux users have so many great choices.
- jaytek13, on 05/05/2009, -4/+14KDE4 was out long before Windows 7 was even publishing preview pictures... So, yes, you're right, they do look alike because Microsoft decided to steal a lot of KDE's ideas.
- FreddieD, on 05/05/2009, -0/+9It's too bad we cant swap your URL and the one in the actual submission..
- praisethelard, on 05/05/2009, -3/+11Those analog clock gadgets are the most useless ***** ever.
- koan, on 05/05/2009, -1/+9I think one of the worst detriments to the take up of KDE 4.x is Kubuntu. I think this is both recognised as the worst implementation of kde4, and also probably the most widely used.
Opensuse and even gentoo are far better, usable out of the box, without any issues. I could not stomach using kde 3.5.x and gnome now makes me shudder (though I haven't used any recent iterations of it I must admit).
As an earlier poster says - kio slaves are a killer feature that once used cannot be unused. - iskin, on 05/05/2009, -1/+9KDE4 wasn't a real release, that is the problem. The devs told anyone and everyone that would listen but it fell on deaf ears. You weren't supposed to upgrade to KDE4, it was more like a demo of what to expect for the new KDE. I don't remember what their reasons were but I do remember not upgrading because of it.
- RobotBuddha, on 05/05/2009, -0/+8I don't know, runs great on my eee. And that's hardly a speed demon.
- amoeba, on 05/05/2009, -0/+8that website needs a makeover, seriously
- jaytek13, on 05/05/2009, -0/+7Gnome resource usage only has the perception of appearing lightweight... if you actually compare the resource usage between the two, there isn't much difference.
KDE may appear to be "bloated" but it's all about elegant, smart coding. - bluechild, on 05/05/2009, -2/+9KDE 4.2 is good and 4.3 in a few months will be much better. But I think it still has a lot of rough edges and that's why I use 3.5. What I cannot understand is why so many people come here and complain about screenshots. The author did not want to show any and he did not. Google is always there. Are there so many 14 year old crybabies in here ?
- KMartSheriff, on 05/05/2009, -2/+9I never understood them either. Analog or digital clock gadgets/widgets are ***** useless. You have the time right in the bar in the corner already.
- KloroFormd, on 05/05/2009, -1/+8When you decide to download a theme you'd prefer instead.
- KMartSheriff, on 05/05/2009, -2/+8Seriously. I ***** hate articles that talk about a subject SPECIFICALLY regarding pictures, and then not have any of said pictures.
- Rapax, on 05/05/2009, -0/+6Similar experience here: After 4.1, I was so fed up with KDE that I switched to XFCE for a while. Now with the new versions of 4.2, I'm back using KDE. The difference in speed between 4.1 and 4.2.2 is just amazing.
- stotty, on 05/05/2009, -0/+5I just hope they've fixed the screwy bugs for the system tray icons like kmix and some others where the background for the icon goes all pixelated or off color. I may be being picky, but it kind of ruins the overall look of the taskbar and makes the desktop look completely amateur and buggy, not the best way to show off the virtues of a linux system. That's been a reported bug since the beginnings of 4 and still wasn't fixed last time I checked.
- techguy82, on 05/05/2009, -0/+5It would be nice if there were few screenshots:) Thanks.
- Frostek, on 05/05/2009, -0/+5Amarok still needs a lot of work.
- Mogger, on 05/05/2009, -1/+6> I don't remember what their reasons were
One reason being, if KDE 4.0 wasn't released at that time, 4.2.2 wouldn't be as good as it is today. Release Early, Release Often. - BMcClure937, on 05/05/2009, -1/+6I agree, and was planning to say the same thing.
How the hell can you have an article about something like this WITHOUT pictures?! - hansrodtang, on 05/06/2009, -0/+4GNOME is still the best. KDE is just not polished enough yet. Maybe 4.5 or higher will solve those problems.
- KAMiKAZOW, on 05/05/2009, -0/+4SUSE has the best KDE support of out there -- maybe Arch with KDEmod is about equal.
- IDcool, on 05/05/2009, -1/+5since....well since i have the free well to do what i think is better for me
why should you follow everyone for every step they take? why don't you make your own choice ?
beside it's the second best linux Distribution.:D - inactive, on 05/05/2009, -0/+3yeah im pretty sure it will but with additional GTK packages
- regeya, on 05/07/2009, -0/+3Not entirely the Kubuntu team's fault. Damn near every Ubuntu release so far has shipped with prerelease KDE packages, with no such mistakes on GNOME and XFCE packages.
The worst detriment of the Kubuntu project is that it has to work with the Ubuntu devs, who're very strongly GNOME proponents. - rpgmakr, on 05/05/2009, -0/+3"and I'm really tired of dependency hell"
Dependency hell? Are you using your distro in 2002? With package managers that doesn't happen a lot and when it happens it doesn't matter if its Gnome or KDE. - iskin, on 05/05/2009, -1/+4@free2wander
KDE relies on a lot of volunteer work to be developed, unlike Microsoft with Windows and paying for development. There weren't enough people developing KDE4, and recruitment wasn't working too well. After much debate the dev team decided to release KDE4 under KDE4 as a demo/beta to increase interest from the OSS community. People that paid attention knew that the plan was for KDE4 to be finished by 4.X.X, possibly 4.2.5.
You aren't sold KDE like you are sold Windows, and KDE can't throw money at problems like Microsoft can. It would appear that the developers made the right decision based on the progress of the KDE project. - KAMiKAZOW, on 05/05/2009, -0/+3KDE is no product of any industry, only some distributions are. Every sane distro either didn't ship KDE 4.0 to end users or it shipped 4.0 along with 3.5 with an explanation attached similar to this one: http://en.opensuse.org/Image:OS11.0-inst-6.jpg
So everybody who used 4.0 was either shown the warning signs by the distributor or compiled 4.0 by himself. - zip000, on 05/05/2009, -0/+3I just don't get widgets, screenlets, desklets, docks, or any of the new interface tools. I think they look cool and part of me wants to use them just for that fact, but in everyday use, I like plain old panels a lot better.
I've got my clock up there. I've got a menu of applications, places, and system tools up there, I've got some launchers for applications that I use a lot up there. I've got all of the active programs down on the bottom panel. That's it. I don't see the real value in using these things. If you do, then great use them - and please explain to me what they do that you can't get from panels. - KAMiKAZOW, on 05/05/2009, -1/+4Ubuntu ships broken KDE packages.
- indymike, on 05/05/2009, -3/+6There are four real reasons to use KDE 4:
1. Improved usability. Konsole has improved so much it's reason enough for the upgrade. Dolphin is nice (Konqueror is still there if you like it).
2. Semantic Desktop - adds tagging, full text search and is lightweight and fast.
3. kio slaves. you can open files on just about any protocol, in any kde application. If you've never used KDE, look up kio_slaves in the help files. It's KDE's secret sauce. (well, that and DBus and DCOP).
4. Extremely customizable. You can pretty much change everything about everything. - MWeather, on 05/05/2009, -0/+3You can run Nautilus under KDE if you like. Or use Konqueror.
- KAMiKAZOW, on 05/05/2009, -0/+2Gnome-Do doesn't run under KDE?
- eraccusa, on 05/05/2009, -0/+2What "dependency hell"? I run my SOHO computer consulting and sales business using Mandriva on our desktops and FreeBSD Unix on our server. I think the last "dependency hell" I had was sometime in 2003 or so with Red Hat. Once I switched to Mandriva all has worked well using Mandriva's urpm* tools. The only problems I can recall are with poor repository mirrors. Switch mirrors and all is well.
"... as well as the fact that it never seems to get out of testing." Oh my, are you running Mandriva Cooker? That is the development "release". As in, it is never SUPPOSED to go out of testing. If you are not trying Mandriva 2009.1 then you have no clue about that of which you speak.
"I read an article yesterday that attributed some freeze-up problems to ext3, but that's the only fs format that Mandriva will let you use." Uhm, are you serious? Our systems here use a mix of XFS and ReiserFS (Which is going away in favor of XFS.). Did I mention all the desktop systems are running Mandriva? - MWeather, on 05/05/2009, -0/+2Well sure you can, but why would you want to? No kio-slaves? The horror!
- KAMiKAZOW, on 05/05/2009, -1/+3If 4.0 was called beta, KDE 4.2 wouldn't exist like it does.
Just look at the Enlightenment project. E17 is still nowhere near a finished product. - MicrosoftBob, on 05/05/2009, -4/+6That's why I buried it. More sjvn blogspam.
- inactive, on 05/05/2009, -1/+3Gnome-Do is the only reason i need to stay with Gnome
- Sordon, on 05/05/2009, -0/+2I'm using version 4.2.2 on a daily basis and I have no issues. From my point of view it is very capable to do production work. But I have to admit that 4.2.2 is the first version I'm using of KDE4 after switching from KDE 3.5.
- Sordon, on 05/05/2009, -0/+2This one is fixed now! With the Qt 4.5.1 no more pixel errors in the system tray. At the end it looks like a bug in Qt and not KDE4
- ISellSigals, on 05/05/2009, -5/+7Think I'll stick with Gnome
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