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- markey, on 02/02/2008, -3/+17For those interested in KDE4 technology, check out Aaron Seigo's latest talk from the Linux Conference Australia:
Part 1:
http://mirror.linux.org.au/pub/linux.conf.au/2008/ ...
Part 2:
http://mirror.linux.org.au/pub/linux.conf.au/2008/ ... - cesclaveria, on 02/02/2008, -0/+13KDE stands for the K Desktop Enviroment. It is one of the two most popular Desktop enviroments for the X Windows System, along with Gnome.
Basically, KDE is the software that renders the visual aspects of the Operating System, but it do not stops there, but there is a whole lot of applications related to it, like Dolphin, Konqueror, Amarok, etc. - xptweakerntn, on 02/02/2008, -2/+14KDE is so awesome.
- dualscreenman, on 02/02/2008, -3/+15The 0.0.x releases are bugfix releases, so I hardly could qualify that as a leap.
- dualscreenman, on 02/02/2008, -5/+15I hope Kubuntu creates/releases the 4.0.1 packages a bit early like they did with 4.0.0.
- greywolfexcel, on 02/02/2008, -0/+9Direct link to the release schedule: http://techbase.kde.org/index.php?title=Schedules/ ...
- Darkhacker, on 02/02/2008, -0/+7After the initial announcement to release KDE 4.1 in July this year there is now a full release plan available. According to the plan, the first important date will be the end of March: at March 31st, 2008, trunk will be closed for new features. The development of the already added (but just not ready) features will still be possible, even with binary incompatibility, but new features will have to wait for KDE 4.2 afterwards. The first real freeze will be at April 22nd, 2008: everything which is not basically ready until then has will not be included. After that the usual dance of Alphas, Betas and Release Candidates will begin, until KDE 4.1 final will hopefully be released at July 29th, 2008.
The current expected and planned features for that release are listed in Techbase under Release Goals, while the current status of these features is monitored at the Feature Plan page. These lists are not final yet, however they do resemble the already well known lists flying around the blogosphere.
The remaining question is which distributions will pick up this new release first: maybe OpenSuse 11.0 will ship it as a preliminary version with final updates shortly after the 11.0 release, but that was just mentioned with a big maybe. The other distributions which have releases in Fall 2008 (like Fedora which will have its 10th release at that point) will for sure include it - or maybe even the first bugfix version, 4.1.1. In any way, in Fall 2008 every larger Linux distribution will most likely ship KDE in a 4.1 version.
Also, since this is a big aim for the KDE 4.1 release, packages for two other “distributions” will be available: Windows and Mac OS X. I’m looking forward to equip my windows friends with Amarok, Akonadi-kmail/kontact and Dolphin (to replace Norton Commander).
KDE 4.0.1 tagged
In the meantime, the first bugfix release for the KDE 4 series was tagged: KDE 4.0.1. The changelog for this version can be seen in an XML file (or at this web page), and the multitude of entries shows that the developers were indeed working quite hard. Since these are only bugfixed and are not supposed to brake anything or to introduce new features it can be expeceted that the distributions will ship this update pretty soon. - Darkhacker, on 02/02/2008, -0/+7As the others have said. KDE is the "K Desktop Environment". A desktop environment is actually a collection of software. The taskbar or dock, wallpaper, window manager, icons, and all those other goodies which make up the desktop metaphor for a graphical user interface. Please check Wikipedia or Google first though. Digg isn't a user help forum.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desktop_environment
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphical_user_interf ... - Almightymole, on 02/02/2008, -0/+6No ***** Sherlock, its not suppose to be a Computer, its a DE.
- ferrariman60, on 02/02/2008, -0/+6Looking forward to this new release of KDE 4. It sounds like it's not only much easier on the eyes, but also a lot less resource intensive on the machine. I'm happy to hear that the eee can run KDE 4 with full eye candy and be quite smooth about it.
- Purin, on 02/02/2008, -2/+8KDE is a desktop environment (basically an explorer.exe, plus apps and widgets and other things) for Linux (okay, and BSD and soon coming to Mac OS X and Windows), arguably the best and most full-featured of all the desktop environments for Linux.
KDE4 is such a huge release because now it actually looks good by default (and it looks better overall); every time I would format, I made sure to change my desktop as soon as possible because the default in KDE3 was so ugly. - dualscreenman, on 02/02/2008, -0/+5But that would take forever. :(
It takes long enough even compiling Wine on my clunky old Celeron, so who knows how long a whole Desktop Environment would take.
...Eh, I suppose I should stop whining. - mthmchris, on 02/02/2008, -0/+5I'm in China, and (annoyingly) Wordpress is blocked. Can anyone copy and paste this?
- puelocesar, on 02/02/2008, -0/+5I hope not! Kubuntu packages for kde4.0 doesn't have many 'last-hour' fixes, and is very different from 4.0.0 compiled from sources
- Gogogo111, on 02/02/2008, -0/+5Get the ***** out.
- puelocesar, on 02/02/2008, -0/+4Actually Kde4 uses cmake and compiling it is much faster than previous releases.. I use a little app called kdesvn-build, that downloads and compiles everything for me and for my surprise it took just two hours for downloading and compiling entire kde4!
- kingofpenguins, on 02/02/2008, -2/+6Or you could just build whatever version you want at any time by just compiling from svn.
- EtherBunny, on 02/02/2008, -0/+4Oh come on.. This is 2008. The size of the kde libs on disk or in memory is practically negligible.
- KAMiKAZOW, on 02/02/2008, -0/+3He's no Mac fanboy -- he's just a troll. Mac users anticipate KDE 4.1, because that release will bring lots of cool new apps to the Mac platform.
- oobuntu, on 02/02/2008, -1/+4pick KDE then change the look to however you want,
- mfearby, on 02/03/2008, -0/+3I would have to agree, in part, with Sklasko. The icons are MEGA huge and since you can't even change the size of the panel (yet), his (and my) overall impression of KDE4 having suffered from gigantism is a valid one. Plasmoids do nothing for me, either. GKrellM is one of the best system-monitoring programs available on Linux, and if the KDE folks had chosen something as powerful as GKrellM with the sidebaryness of the Vista Sidebar (but done nicely, in the Linux way), that would have been much better than mega plasmoids hogging valuable screen real-estate.
I'm stick with KDE 3.5.x for the time being. - Telexen, on 02/02/2008, -0/+3Here's the problem with your opinion on KDE...
"The default KDE desktop looks..."
The facts: Can you make gnome look/act better than the dysfunctional and too simplistic to offer the functionality many users need? No...you can't. But you can make KDE look/act much different than it does, molding it to your desires/needs. - Protoss, on 02/02/2008, -1/+4No I think the whining is just. Compiling all KDE from SVN would take forever. The Kubuntu team should be packaging 4.0.1 in a few.
- atmodiws, on 02/02/2008, -1/+4That's easy. You always pick the apps you use above the looks on the desktop.
- PinkoComrade, on 02/02/2008, -0/+3Damn fanboys can accept something new
- mthmchris, on 02/02/2008, -0/+3Thanks alot. Big Brother can be a pain in the ass... I have yet to figure out a consistent way to do get around the great firewall; the quality of fresh proxy sites is a bit touch and go.
I'm very excited about the progress KDE is making, I think I'll want to try it out once 4.1 comes out. I'm pretty new to Linux though, and I love my GNOME Ubuntu desktop, so I've been a bit hesitant to try out a different flavor of desktop environment (especially since configuring things just the way you like it can be a huge pain in the ass for someone like me that doesn't know what they're doing). - mfearby, on 02/03/2008, -0/+3I personally can't stand GNOME because it doesn't have anywhere near the number of user-configurable options to make it usable (IMHO) but KDE4 is almost the same (thus far). Let's hope 4.1 does a better job.
- littlefaery84, on 02/02/2008, -0/+2I love KDE
- baalzebub, on 02/02/2008, -1/+3the biggest change i noticed is no more DCOP, now KDE-4.x "requires" dbus (messagebus) to be installed too, so those of you that like to roll your own KDE on custom linux installs is even before starting the build of qt and other kde related dependencies is get dbus installed and going first, then once the other dependencies are satisfied start on qt & the kde packages, kdelibs, kdebase-runtime, kdepimlibs, kdebase, kdebase-workspace, & the rest are optional...
- Darkhacker, on 02/02/2008, -0/+2That was the old, initial name, but the "Kool" was dropped and now the letter K doesn't stand for anything.
- HerbertScrunge, on 02/02/2008, -1/+3What do you interact with the most - the desktop shell, or the apps running in it?
- Telexen, on 02/02/2008, -2/+4Wow...that's your criticism of KDE's eye candy? Icons are too big?
Open your mind...you've just made a predisposed decision (probably months ago) to hate KDE no matter what.
Go back to your cave. - kreneskyp, on 02/02/2008, -0/+2fast? they've just gone to a scheduled release cycle to get updates out quicker. They plan on a bugfix release every month and a minor release every 6 months. This type of release cycle is what has made ubuntu so successful.
- subgeniusd, on 02/02/2008, -0/+2Krikey!
- KAMiKAZOW, on 02/02/2008, -0/+2But it runs on Mac (and Windows etc). Hail cross-platform code.
- kreneskyp, on 02/02/2008, -0/+2Many bug fixes may only be a single line of code. Its a major release so its expected there are lots of bugs to fix. Instead of waiting 6 months you get updates every month. hardly something to complain about.
- SimonGray, on 02/02/2008, -1/+2Summary?
- eternicode, on 02/08/2008, -0/+1I've been using KDE4 for just under a month now, and I would have to agree with Sklasko. The minimum scale factor for most of the plasmoids is still too big for my taste. And the kicker bar is far too large for not being manipulatable; I ended up simply getting rid of it. I've also hidden the desktop icons (something I was experimenting with even before KDE4).
Sklasko may be a little harsh in his criticism (It's a joke? No, It's .0.1 software.), his points are not totally invalid.
Don't start down the fanboy path. - djGentoo, on 02/02/2008, -1/+2How's this: you run GNOME, but run KDE apps on it. Who knew?
- donna1234, on 07/16/2008, -0/+1Release schedule for KDE 4.1;
http://www.bestipodtips.info/
http://www.highpr.net/
http://www.t7000.info/
http://www.e-uuu.com/ - inactive, on 02/06/2008, -0/+1I can't customize KDE4 nearly as much as i can customize the current gnome.
KDE4 is a huge dissapointment. They shouldn't have released it this early. - Telexen, on 02/02/2008, -1/+2Yup...still not a Mac.
It's a DE with features and functionality. Something Mac users will never understand because Apple refuses to give it to them. - baalzebub, on 02/03/2008, -0/+1lots more dependencies too, i tryed rolling my own kde-4.0 yesterday, besides dbus there is uri, boost & boost-jam and one strange dependency named sopranos or esoprano which i could not even find the source code through google or sourceforge or freshmeat, i gave up trying to build kde-4 for the time being, i think kde-4 will need lots more development before i try again (maybe kde-4.1 or 4.2) i will stick with kde-3.5.8 & qt3 for the rest of the year...
- Harbinger67, on 02/02/2008, -7/+7So, alright, I cave. For the uninformed, such as myself, who have been seeing these KDE stories for months and never paying any interest...what the heck is KDE?
- stmiller, on 02/02/2008, -4/+4'Kool Desktop Environment'
- Sklasko, on 02/02/2008, -3/+3KDE is now riddled with vastly over-sized icons, and to be honest, I thought that the all black plasma kicker was just an unworked section in the beta. That is until I saw the screenshot of the final release. I used to have a slight attraction to using KDE, but now that's null.
With how biased the Linux community is against Vista and it's focus on "eye candy", I can't believe the community isn't disgusted by this pathetic attempt at "eye candy". They turn a blind eye and praise it anyway just because it's KDE. It's a joke.
Also, "AppleMacMan", sorry but we prefer software with our computers. - puelocesar, on 02/02/2008, -3/+34.0.x releases every month ;)
- inactive, on 02/02/2008, -3/+3I'm not happy with the look of KDE at all. I left Windows to get away from that look and now KDE seems to be going the wrong way with it's oversize buttons and "must click to expand" main menu (thankfully that can be switched). This is why I prefer Gnome: It is sleek and lean looking. The default KDE desktop looks like I'm on a kids computer with the huge font size for my clock and the overbearingly giant black void of a taskbar which can only be removed by editing a config file unlike the rest of the desktop. Design flaw #4432. Ultimately, after playing around with Plasma widgets and desktop customization, KDE started having a brain fart. The desktop became a graphical mess as windows and widgets started disappearing. Sometimes the screen would turn completely black and I'd have to alt-tab or ctrl-alt-del to get it to come back up again. I understand that bugs will be an issue. But, I'm sorry, the overall design philosophy is flawed and looks too much like Windows, or, more to the point, a bad crossing of Windows 3.1 and Vista. It simply looks cheap. Ah well, back to Gnome for me!
- inactive, on 02/02/2008, -2/+1not forever, just a day or 2 providing their are no build errors.
- mechanicalheart, on 02/02/2008, -3/+1I have a dilemma: I like Gnome's look, but I prefer KDE apps. I can get by with either one, but if I had to pick *only one*, what'd you recommend?
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