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- gsiliceo, on 08/03/2008, -9/+38Does this mean i will be able substitute my explorer.exe shell for a kde4.exe?
Because thats what i want, not just the kde4 apps.
Just imagine, the awesome windows composite from kde4 on top of the windows kernel.
I can dream. - solidcube, on 08/03/2008, -8/+36"The KDE Project looked to Apple as an example of the importance of an attractive UI."
Does this mean we can use linux while wearing tight black turtlenecks and sipping almond latte breve now? - KAMiKAZOW, on 08/03/2008, -1/+13"Does this mean i will be able substitute my explorer.exe shell for a kde4.exe?"
No. At least not officially in the foreseeable future. The official goal is to get the apps out there, but then Plasma works on Windows (it's required for Amarok) so in theory developing a Windows compatible Plasma desktop should be manageable.
"Just imagine, the awesome windows composite from kde4 on top of the windows kernel."
KWin can't manage Windows' native windows. So that's out of question. - yorian, on 08/03/2008, -5/+17How about dreaming about actually installing Linux? Much easier.
- dn11, on 08/03/2008, -1/+13as opposed to the usual linux outfit of a 4XL Dragon Ball Z t-shirt with taco bell sauce stains that you wear while eating Cheetos?
- tigerglebe, on 08/03/2008, -2/+13Every time Gnome releases a new version, I try it out to see if it still sucks. I verify it does, then switch back to KDE. Maybe one of these days they'll get it right.
- KAMiKAZOW, on 08/03/2008, -1/+10There can be reasons for being forced into Windows, e.g. when you are required by your employer to use software that does not with WINE/CrossOver or hardware that's incompatible with Linux.
Often it's just psychological. For some users it's easier to gradually move to another platform. Many of today's Linux users used OpenOffice and Firefox under Windows. - manacit2, on 08/03/2008, -7/+14But will it work with my nvidia card? :D
- bovox, on 08/03/2008, -3/+8If you think that OSX is great because it's "pretty", then you just don't get it; and you will never get it.
- estvir, on 08/03/2008, -4/+9> The KDE Project looked to Apple as an example of the importance of an attractive UI.
I cannot see any effect this 'looking' had on KDE4. - smaier, on 08/03/2008, -4/+9If you want to test it on Windoze:
http://windows.kde.org/ - solidcube, on 08/03/2008, -1/+6Go into your local metrosexual coffeeshop sometime and tell me what the vast majority of the turtleneck wearing, hornrimmed-glassed-wearing hipsters there are using.
Are they using VAX miniframes? No? Didn't think so. - Kelmon, on 08/03/2008, -1/+6As a general rule I'm not in favour of cross-platform applications unless each version takes account of the features and services of the platform in the same way as native applications do. Firefox on the Mac, for example, feels like a Windows application that has been ported and dressed to look like a Mac application but lacks the support for common services, such as getting its network settings from System Preferences. Finding that you can't do something that is considered "normal" is annoying.
However, I do concede that cross-platform applications do make it easier to move from one platform to another so there are definitely benefits. - zwaldowski, on 08/03/2008, -0/+4Actually, that is possible. Just look at Blackbox for Windows; it totally does window managing. KDE would just need their own compositor for Win32, a la DWM.
- Tritis, on 08/03/2008, -0/+4I installed the kde4.1 package on windows. I did all that just to get konsole, which hasn't been ported yet.
Every app I've tired so far crashes when trying to display the main window. - dragossh, on 08/03/2008, -1/+5Classic in OS X = Virtual Machine
Classic in Windows XP = Themes service disabled
If you want a "classic mode" KDE, you can always use 3.5.x. It's still maintained. - joshualamgroup, on 08/03/2008, -0/+4try the beta 177 firmware. BIG improvement.
- KAMiKAZOW, on 08/03/2008, -0/+4"I think the problem with KDE 4, in general, is that it's developers decided to make a playground...for themselves."
KDE 4.0 was a developer's playground and it was advertised as such. It was a necessary foundation for future developments that implement the user's wishes. There are companies, like Mandriva, that are involved with KDE and depend on the user's wishes. They can't ignore that and they don't.
"KDE might have considered a "classic" mode, of sorts for KDE as well."
KDE 3 and 4 can be installed next to each other -- at least on distros that support it (like openSUSE or (K)Ubuntu). KDE 4 has options to switch to the classic K Menu, it ships with classic themes (Plastique), and FolderView can be used to restore desktop icons. KDE 4 can mostly be configured to look and feel like KDE 3.
"If users don't like the new KDE 4 by 4.2 or 4.3"
KDE 4.1 received very positive reviews. Critics of KDE 4.0 are for the most part now pleased with 4.1.
"a fork of the 3.5.9 code base will probably be inevitable."
That's *****. KDE 3.5.x is still being maintained. There will be a KDE 3.5.10 in a few weeks. There are quite a few distributors who are obligated by contracts to their customers to support and maintain KDE 3 for quite some time into the future. We'll likely see subsequent KDE 3.5.x releases until at least 2009. - solidcube, on 08/03/2008, -0/+4Someone's getting verklempt. Now, Dieter will dance.
- subgeniusd, on 08/03/2008, -0/+4What praytell the ***** are you talking about? I play mp3s all the time on KDE.
- mrbuerger, on 08/03/2008, -2/+6Easy, KDE is nice. Gnome is effective.
- kiput, on 08/03/2008, -0/+3„they get cross platform for free thanks to the hardware in QT.”
Hardware? WTF? Since when Qt is a piece of hardware? Anyway, you might want to read Qt's license. - subgeniusd, on 08/03/2008, -1/+4KDE is not "dieing". KDE is not dying either.
- kwilliam, on 08/03/2008, -0/+3It works with my "nVidia Corporation G72M [Quadro NVS 110M/GeForce Go 7300] (rev a1)"*. The Plasma "Zoom Out" and "Zoom In" effects are really slow, but all the KWin effects work well. (I get 30-50 fps with wobbly windows, transparency, minimize/restore effects, the Cover Flow window switcher, and more enabled.) It appears to be the 8000 and later cards that have the most trouble.
*lspci | grep VGA - inactive, on 08/04/2008, -0/+2Maybe KDE is just not for you?
Doesn't mean it "sucks". - ilgaz, on 08/03/2008, -0/+2Not using KDE 4 or even X11 based KDE 3 is a waste of 3 GB of Unix laşer of OSX.
Do you notice the importance of only Amarok 2 natively running on OS X tied to core audio or KDE using quicktime framework in future version?
If you are on Intel Mac, you are running a CERTIFIED UNIX too.
I understand Linux only people not understanding the significance of KDE 4 upgrade but as an OS X user, you have surprised me. - KAMiKAZOW, on 08/03/2008, -1/+3GNOME 2.x didn't get finished HIGs out of nowhere. It took the project a few releases to get everything into place.
On the application level, early KDE 4.x releases are meant to get KDE 3 code ported.
Celeste Paul and the other's are working on the HIGs. A workshop on this topic is scheduled for Akademy 2008. - InorganicMatter, on 08/03/2008, -1/+3Yeah, your toolkit is also a bloated piece of crap that brings any PC with less than 500MHz+512MB to its knees. I'll stick with the lightweight KDE 3.5.9, and the awesome Qt, thank you.
- ilgaz, on 08/03/2008, -0/+2Konsole on Win? At least do you have that MS Unix thing or Cygwin? Do you want a better shell for cmd.exe?
- ilgaz, on 08/04/2008, -0/+2In my ideal World, people on Linux should use GNUStep framework and it is unbeliavably easy to port the tools to Cocoa (if you _start_ on GnuStep). Issue is? People totally ignore that great opportunity, blame on skins ? :)
KDE guys are very popular on the other hand and they are trying NexTStep like experience on top of any OS.
Apps like KOffice, Amarok and many others who races with OS X applications using native widgets/UI in future, that is what makes KDE 4 very interesting.
Check Windows user sites, forums about how eagerly they wait for Amarok 2 stable running on Windows. It is the Windows which even has iTunes running. - Frost9999, on 08/03/2008, -1/+3@bovox: People can change their minds about things. Stop being such an OS snob.
- ilgaz, on 08/03/2008, -0/+2KDE3 under Leopard X11 manages my OS X printers, especially remote ones better.
- maninalift, on 08/04/2008, -1/+2Why didn't you stick with KDE 3.5 then?
- maninalift, on 08/04/2008, -0/+1Actually, yes. Konqueror and Dolphin (the two main KDE file managers) do run on windows.
http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/KDE_on_Windows/In ... - Irco, on 08/04/2008, -0/+1man... I didn't know QT had this amazing 'hardware' that you mention that gives you cross platform implementations of your code...is it like fairy machine?
If you know ANYTHING of Qt and GTK you should know that QT right now is FAR ahead of GTK, hence the reason for this: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080714-gnom ... - secrity, on 08/03/2008, -1/+2What are you talking about? Some of the topics are stubs, but there is a good amount of information, including a good discussion of designing to accommodate different types of color blindness.
- InorganicMatter, on 08/03/2008, -0/+1Because Mac OS X already has true Unix roots, I could see KDE having some use on there. Being able to have one OS, and just switch between UIs for work/home sounds a lot easier than dual-booting.
- subgeniusd, on 08/03/2008, -2/+3Stereotypes are fun to play with and throw around but are rarely accurate. I mean as an example our founder Linus Torvalds himself does not reflect _any_ of the persistent "LinDork" stereotypes.
But hey - knock yourself out. Funny comment actually. - 5plic3r, on 08/04/2008, -0/+1My point is that KDE developers should be concentrating on more important things. Sure, a handful of OS X users might make use of this, but it's A LOT of work for not much gain.
I completely disagree with your claim that "not using KDE 4 or even X11 based KDE 3 is a waste of 3 GB of Unix la[y]er of OSX". The fact that Leopard is a certified UNIX means 2 things to me:
- I have a huge set of standard command line tools available to be
- I can write (non-GUI) C code for both Mac OS X and Linux with very little, if any, modifications
I am of the opinion that while it's perfectly reasonable to write portable back end code, the GUI code should be custom tailored for each platform to ensure HIG compliance. In the case of Mac OS X, that means writing your app's front end with Cocoa. - kleverness, on 08/03/2008, -1/+2Just take a look at this: http://saroengels.blogspot.com/2008/07/sweet-dream ... ;)
- kwilliam, on 08/03/2008, -0/+1Firefox on Linux feels like a Windows application that has been ported and dressed to look like a Gnome application (which sucks because I use KDE). IMHO. It's probably because FF does it's own thing with XUL that it doesn't feel like it "fits". Maybe I'd feel better if Firefox got some D-Bus support. I'd LOVE it if they simply made a Qt4 interface, or made it's GTK widgets work perfectly with the Qt4-GTK engine so Firefox could use the KDE4 Oxygen style.
- ilgaz, on 08/06/2008, -0/+1Please tell it to those 60 years old grandmoms switching from Windows to OS X. They must be missing something :)
- kiput, on 08/03/2008, -2/+3OS X usability? You must be kidding. Not counting pathetic Mac hardware (eg. one button mouse, ctrl and alt swapped) the number of usability issues with the OS X itself is rather astounding.
- 5plic3r, on 08/04/2008, -0/+1Ever heard of VMware or Parallels?
- Gavagai80, on 08/03/2008, -1/+2First product? Heck, every gnome release gloats that their usability team has removed another set of features. It was the huge feature reduction between Gnome 1.4 and 2.0 that brought me to KDE in the first place. As long as KDE 4 catches up by the time they stop supporting 3.5, though, I don't care much... I just use 3.5.
- renegadeafk, on 08/03/2008, -2/+3they both suck.
- solidcube, on 08/04/2008, -0/+1I don't know. I do know that Dieter used it.
- eean, on 08/03/2008, -3/+3Its just details, like using animations to make things appear and disappear more natural.
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