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- schestowitz, on 10/12/2007, -5/+57Kan't wait!
- Jaymo89, on 10/12/2007, -1/+34Konsole ftw.
- Urusai, on 10/12/2007, -0/+24Can the XFCE nuts come out and play? How about Fluxbox? What we need is a good old fashioned TWM vs. FVWM flamewar.
- IAmRoot, on 10/12/2007, -3/+26stop spamming!!!
KDE 4 is going to be awesome. Gnome isn't powerful enough for me. I like to tweak my settings. - Amablue, on 10/12/2007, -1/+20Blue blocks are always better no matter what color they are.
- astatine, on 10/12/2007, -1/+17Rather than a short blog entry, the article mentioned in the title is here:
http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.kde.releases/157 - randomgeek, on 10/12/2007, -0/+15Oh wow, looks so much better now that he's blocked.. this coming from a Gnome user.
Actually, I'm sort of waiting for KDE4 because of the updates to Amarok which, even as a Gnome user, is the best audio player out there hands down. - HerbertScrunge, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14I find that a large amount of the accusations of clutter are aimed at three things:
1) Konqueror itself. This is being addressed by making Dolphin the default file manager. I know that many of the KDE devs are amenable to the idea of a separate, dedicated KHtml-based browser, too, but no one has stepped up to do this yet.
2) KControl. Devs are aware that this is a problem for many users, but I'm not sure if they will have time for a solution before 4.0. It's a tough problem, as, to put it bluntly, a huge amount of people like to have all available options right there in front of them so that they can see what they can play with, and a huge amount ... don't :)
3) The general "look" of the apps - e.g. widget style, etc. Robert Knight wrote an interesting article here ( http://kdemonkey.blogspot.com/2007/02/making-kde-cleaner-removing-frames.html ) where he suggests that simply removing some unnecessary frames could alleviate some of the "cluttered" look. Also, Qt 4.2+ ( http://doc.trolltech.com/4.2/qt4-2-intro.html ) can be themed to look very similar to Clearlooks ( http://doc.trolltech.com/4.2/gallery-cleanlooks.html ), and is generally pretty flexible without the need for a separate styling engine ( http://doc.trolltech.com/4.2/stylesheet.html ), so we can expect (if some artist steps up), some nice, clear, simple themes.
Also, KDE4 will default to having text in the toolbar which has the effect of making each toolbar button take up more space - expect less of a mess of random toolbar buttons (I'm looking at you, Kile!) in KDE4. Additionally, some of the excesses with "default" apps (i.e. those in kdebase) is being addressed - for example, KDE4 will ship with just one editor (KWrite) rather than *3* ;) - Wireddd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14You can skin them to look near identical. Basically what you have just said is: "I like the way a green block which is painted red looks, as opposed to a blue block which is painted red."
- jackhole, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12They said October 23, 2007.
Not October 23, 2010. - KAMiKAZOW, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11Neither is true. Carbon and Cocoa are toolkits. So is Qt.
KDE 4 is beeing ported to Qt/Mac, not Carbon or Cocoa. I think Qt/Mac uses Carbon, but KDE doesn't use any of Cocoa or Carbon APIs. - woodcoxcb, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14Welcome to my block list logicallygenius...
- aDJsavedmylife, on 10/12/2007, -0/+108 Months is not a year.
April May June July August September October. - Ellsass, on 11/05/2008, -0/+9No we don't!
- mbm1980, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Blocking him likewise.
You might want to reconsider your gnome preaching tactics a bit, or were you planing to fail? - generalloy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11Konqueror won't be the default file browser in KDE 4, Dolphin will be. Which I very much appreciate ;)
- oobuntu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8how many blocks does it take to get a ban? i just blocked him too
- Flamekebab, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Blockedy block block block!
(Ubuntue/Gnome user, but I still like what the KDE guys are doing) - mrsteveman1, on 10/12/2007, -5/+12Hopefully KDE4 wont be so cluttered and hackish, it just feels that way when you use it, but it is a nice system and well integrated.
- wickedawsome, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Knome? I think not...
- HerbertScrunge, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6"and oh how I wish they'd port Amarok for it. I know they won't"
Er, I think there are actually pretty firm plans to do precisely that - with KDE4, porting many KDE apps to OS X/ Windows will be trivial(-ish). Why do you think they wouldn't ... ? - HerbertScrunge, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6"That doesn't however solve the massively huge problem of wasting time doing redundant development work on multiple projects to do the same thing."
Hopefully you're not referring to Konqueror and Dolphin here, as a) they don't just "do the same thing" and b) in typical KDE fashion (and, of course, sound software engineering) they share a *massive* amount of code. Also, Dolphin is pretty much wholly the work of just one part-time guy, so it's not like huge amounts of precious resources are being thrown at the project for little gain :)
Konqueror is to Dolphin as, roughly as Kate is to Kwrite. - Misos, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Console ftw.
- ArneBab, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5To stay up to date, you can use this URL:
http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Roadmap - Fordi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5"I tried Kubuntu but it's not up to par with Ubuntu."
"Use Kubuntu instead"
Damn. Someone's not paying attention. - Rileyper, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6just like the eula contract wars mac osx v windows
kde v gnome... sounds familiar - lengau, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Enlightenment, GNOME, GNUStep, KDE, XFCE et al all rock! My personal preference is KDE, but I don't mind which Desktop Environment use. They're still using (GNU/)Linux or BSD, so it's okay :)
- KevinJim, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Amarok, K3B, Dolphin, some awesome apps ! Solid, Decibel, Phonon, QT 4, Plasma so much awesome things in only one release !!!
By the way i test the K3B 1.07rc and it's so cool, as the developers say "From now on you will want to do all your Video DVD ripping with K3b". KDE FTW !!! - Fordi, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5You're damn right. The only REAL war is KDE v. XFCE. And it's not really a war, it's a per-application requirement.
KDE for functionality and pretty, XFCE for low footprint.
Gnome's not even in the fight anymore. - eean, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE_4.0_Release_Schedule is the actual primary source I think.
- Flamekebab, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Humans thrive on conflict, to some extent. We like having things to argue about!
- shakin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4"'BUT not all of the changes originally anticipated will make the 4.0 release'
So, it looks like they're pulling a vista here. :P"
Nobody from KDE ever said everything they were doing for KDE 4 would be in the 4.0 release. A while ago there was a KDE blog entry specifically stating that when they say KDE 4 they mean KDE 4.x. When they refer to a specific version, then they mean that version.
And since they're only half a year out on the release I'm not too worried. Spring -> Fall isn't much difference. Software timelines are notoriously difficult to estimate. If they slip into Spring 2008 then we'll know something went awry. - KAMiKAZOW, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@mrsteveman1:
We'll have to see. It seems that the KDE folks want to get something stable out of the door and I'm sure that KDE 4.0.0 will feel be rough around the edges. More refinement will come in KDE 4.1, 4.2,... - foreplay, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3There are already screenshots showing amarok 2.0 running on kde 4.0 http://dot.kde.org/1173761811/
It also already compiles under osx (version 1.4.5) and I think they also intend a windows version well hopefully anyway. - stalefries, on 10/12/2007, -5/+7Meh, CLI is the only way to go!
- Fordi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2***** that. You may love to have things to argue about, but SOME of us just like arguing about things.
Important things. With controversial stuff. - HerbertScrunge, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"A while ago there was a KDE blog entry specifically stating that when they say KDE 4 they mean KDE 4.x"
More precisely:
http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/2600 - nandabanaotakun, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Quiet! You're crushing all of my dreams!
- Soapdish, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Ubuntu has bad support for KDE. Go for Debian, or Gentoo instead. Fedora id also better for KDE.
- redbone, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2I'm looking forward to it, but the version that shipped with Kubuntu 6.10 works just fine, for now. It does seem a little bit cluttered, but I'd rather see a lot of options on the screen than blank, candy-coated moron interface. That's not a stab at GNOME or any other GUI.
I still use XP on my laptop, and oh how I wish they'd port Amarok for it. I know they won't, and I'm not going through all the wily VM stuff to run it. But Amarok has ruined me for Winamp or iTunes. - ponosocheg, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0Quite strange I don't like such articles.
- mdew, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2one thing that no theme can hide, QDial and QLCDNumber widgets are fugly.
- nandabanaotakun, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2And they ported it to Cocoa!
- Yoshi39, on 10/12/2007, -7/+4use kubuntu instead
- morphie, on 10/12/2007, -6/+3"They said October 23, 2007.
Not October 23, 2010."
When the project started (with Plasma and stuff like Solid) by the end of 2005, the first release of KDE 4.0 was to be expected around spring 2007. I'm a fan of KDE, but there's nothing wrong with a critical note on their release management. - jeduan, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2I believe it would be carbon?? I can't tell, but cocoa seems to be more OS X tied.
- LogicallyGenius, on 10/12/2007, -6/+3oops
- mrsteveman1, on 10/12/2007, -7/+1Yea, Konqueror is annoying, and redundant to a number of other far more useful applications such as firefox and dolphin, and doesn't even work well in a lot of cases, which is one of the main reasons it will no longer be the default file manager.
That doesn't however solve the massively huge problem of wasting time doing redundant development work on multiple projects to do the same thing. - LogicallyGenius, on 10/12/2007, -9/+1sure
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