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- Onestone, on 10/10/2007, -0/+53Better late than buggy.
- richbradshaw, on 10/10/2007, -0/+24That's really not that long! I'd be impressed to see it in Winter - seems a lot of stuff is still to be done...
- dualscreenman, on 10/10/2007, -0/+23That sucks :(
Oh well, the way things are now it looks like they really do need some more time. I'd rather not have a rushed KDE 4.0 release. - jshabad00, on 10/10/2007, -1/+22While not surprise after using Beta 1, still very sad news.
- SimonGray, on 10/10/2007, -0/+16No, it's a desktop environment. The window manager KWin only makes up a small part of KDE.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desktop_environment - dualscreenman, on 10/10/2007, -3/+182 months != several years.
Also, this is a windows manager, not an OS. - Bamborzled, on 10/10/2007, -0/+13Haha. That's the first time I've seen someone accuse Linux of just "looking good". I'm not sure whether or not this is a good sign or a bad sign.
- antdude, on 10/10/2007, -0/+12I would rather KDE not have any release date. Or just say "hopefully Winter". Take all the time!! I want a good KDE v4!
- mahsah, on 10/10/2007, -0/+12This is the great thing about Open Source; if you can't wait for the release, you can just grab a SVN snapshot! Grab a snapshot at the end of October, and the release date magicially returns to it's original date!
Seriously though, most (good) companies only want to make a final release if the software is bug-free. - Nodren, on 10/10/2007, -0/+11theres a big difference between delaying two months and over two years. ubuntu even had a delay a year ago, but recovered from it quite well. microsoft went from a 2 to 3 year development cycle to over 6 years for vista.
- earlycj5, on 10/10/2007, -0/+10I'd point out that KDE isn't Linux-centric but the point would be lost on you apparently.
- zephc, on 10/10/2007, -0/+9not to mention that Vista dropped some of its more interesting features in that period.
- gangranous, on 10/10/2007, -0/+9This makes sense, and in the meantime we still get to use the awesome KDE 3.5. All that this means is that the KDE team is taking ownership of the issues and realize that they need more time to work on them before official release. Four months to go is not a lot of time, and if they keep to this new schedule it means having KDE 4.0 for Christmas, which will be a nice gift to look forward to. :-)
- srg13, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5Are you from the past? Or do you have an ATI graphics card ;)
- AnarkeIncarnate, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5And STILL came out with a considerable number of bugs. Plus, unlike Windows, you can see the feature list is not trailing off. This is something that can come about because there is not a push from marketing to ship it out the door.
- kazamx, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5This is great news. To start with they were talking about haveing a HUGE launch for KDE 4. Once they realised that it was still pretty buggy they started talking about a soft launch. I am really glad they are going to wait. that way we can really hype it when it launches
- jshabad00, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5Well duh, it's sad news in the relative sense (I wasn't comparing it to Iraq or any of the other daily tragedies). FYI - I did not submit the article. Go ***** yourself in the meantime.
- CptnObvious, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5Well I think a somewhat stable release is necessary. 4.0 should be that release, and although some of the features that were going to be in it originally will not I think it's a good thing. This way application developers can switch to Qt4 and start using the KDE4 api's (most noteably Solid and Phonon, maybe some experimenting with Plasma as well) while KDE still matures and gets all those features so KDE 4.1 will be solid, feature packed, and well supported.
- jejones, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Ah, well... We have a good Christmas present to look forward to, I hope.
- GMorgan, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4When it's done does not work and never has. They need to get it out there to fix bugs. Of course there is an appropriate ideal time but it isn't even close to this farcical 'when the last bug is fixed' type scenario some users (mostly Debian users) tend to promote.
In the FOSS world we have the advantage of a trickle down effect of software development that the proprietary sector cannot have (i.e. some distros are bleeding edge, others stay safe, etc). We should utilise that, not hide behind a safe and irrelevant 'done when it's done' mantra. That attitude left us stagnant for years. - GMorgan, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4It's not just a Window manager. It's an entire series of API's (Phonon, Solid, Decibel, Kross, the move to DBus etc), suite of applications (Dolphin, etc) and a WM (KWin). I suggest you check your definitions next time you post.
The API's are the most exciting part because they will make developing software a comparative breeze and in the end software is what makes systems. It's a pity we couldn't combine Gnome's focus on usability with KDE's focus on aiding developers. Together it would be a killer combination but I imagine, as in the past, most users will run a Gnome desktop with the KDE application stack and API on top of it. - jadrian, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5Many distros make rpms for the Betas and RCs, so for many of those in a hurry it shouldn't make any difference. The change of name warns you that it's not meant to be stable though.
- dualscreenman, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Whoa, my bad. I've been playing around too much with Compiz (definitely *is* a window manager) today...
- livevil, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Rofl.
- GMorgan, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Impossible, bug levels stabilise at a low level, they do not reach zero. At best we can bash it until all the bugs are in non critical sections but bug free software is a myth. Even Nasa (who are insane about their software these days) still have bugs in their software (in fact that's why they use a lot of Lisp these days, they can reprogram their craft in flight via a REPL).
- cbreaker, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Hey potp, 1995 called and it want's it's fvwm95 back.
- cbreaker, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Funny, because I've run KDE just fine on a 64MB virtual machine.
And, if you're one of those KB watching morons, you might as well just use DOS. - SteveMax, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Wasn't Ubuntu also scheduled to be released between Gnome and KDE? I remember hearing some explanation of why that was good for Ubuntu.
- stmiller, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2EDIT: "No, it's a Kool desktop environment."
Fixed. - GMorgan, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Ubuntu syncs nicely with Gnome revs.
- cbreaker, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Ohh, I don't know if I'd say "most users" as in "an overwhelming majority." Lots of people run KDE, including myself, because I think it's more feature rich. I can do more with KDE. Gnome isn't bad in it's latest incarnations either, but it's extremely basic and I want more.
I look forward to the next release of KDE. - mRIpX, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2merry christmas everyone
- livevil, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2Yup.
- vall3yman, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0you're killing me smalls!
--greatest movie ever - dualscreenman, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1Any OS is going to come out with bugs.
*meant to be a reply to AnarkeIncarnate, sorry* - magpulse, on 10/10/2007, -6/+3Fedora 8's release date was criticized when it was announced for being after the next Gnome release but before the next KDE release. I wonder if they knew this would happen?
- wookieface, on 10/10/2007, -7/+4Noooo A suicide reason!
*becomes emo* - morphir, on 10/10/2007, -5/+1ditto
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -7/+1Linux looks good? Do not compute.
Linux works well, takes resource or it might even be more productive but its definitely not a pageant winner. - KevinJim, on 10/10/2007, -8/+1You're killing me !
- knowyourrights, on 10/10/2007, -11/+1Sad news? It's a window manager mate. Frankly there is too much build up, I think lots of people are going to be very disappointed. Let it be, stop submitting KDE 4 articles. Leave them alone; we'll try it when it's ready. Go make yourself useful in the meantime.
- orangeparty, on 10/10/2007, -19/+7It needs to eat at least 800MB of RAM while idle, otherwise nobody will take it seriously.
- MonsterChaOS, on 10/10/2007, -19/+4Where is all the flaming from the people that bashed Vista/Windows on every announced delay?
Shoes on the other foot now?
---Buried for pointing out the hypocrisy in the open source community--- (there, I saved you the trouble) - animus, on 10/10/2007, -33/+1yipee, more linux crap that doesn't do anything but look good.
idiots.
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