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- randyjensen, on 11/02/2007, -4/+19anyone else think the taskbar looks like crap and pretty much ruins the whole thing?
- keyo, on 11/01/2007, -0/+13I thought it were sposed to be 4.0 RC1. Oh well, I'd rather they do it properly and slower than poorly and quickly.
- dualscreenman, on 10/31/2007, -0/+13Damn, that was quick.
Looking good. - twljagflba, on 10/31/2007, -1/+13Beta 4 Screenshots: http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=11339
- dungbeetle, on 10/31/2007, -1/+10I read somewhere that KDE4 would easily be portable to Windows for use as a native shell. Anybody know anything about that?
- DirtySnachez, on 11/04/2007, -1/+10http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=kde4+native+w ...
tricky huh. - dualscreenman, on 10/31/2007, -0/+8I was indicating by my post that I thought it looked more mature. :)
Looking at the commit-digest this week, the amount of work done bugfixing was phenomenal. In the last two weeks the KDE team has fixed a *huge* amount of bugs.
They've entered the bug-fixing stage recently (feature freeze wasn't too long ago), and they still have until December to release a mature KDE 4.0 - AzumaKazuma, on 11/01/2007, -6/+14I've been looking forward to KDE4 and no offense to the KDE devs but the shots we've been seeing recently look terrible. Whats with the horrible font they're using? And the general layout of the components looks cluttered and very unpleasant to look at.
The disk space free at the bottom right of Dolphin has a bit sticking out to the left. The start menu has no gradients or any indication of edges....just solid colors that abruptly stop...it looks awful. The minimize, maximise, close buttons look blurred...especially in the "Places" sidebar in Dolphin.
The entire concept looks flat and uninspired. If the final looks anything like this I'll be soo disappointed :( - Peterh, on 11/02/2007, -2/+10So you're the one!
- inactive, on 10/31/2007, -0/+8you mean like your brain and your fingers?
- tylerjames, on 11/02/2007, -0/+8Ouch! That comment was so asinine it hurt my brain.
- dualscreenman, on 10/31/2007, -1/+8I remember hearing somebody complain about the buttons taking up too much space in Dolphin and some other apps.
The dolphin picture Phoronix has there...
http://www.phoronix.net/image.php?id=898&image=kde ...
...looks pretty minimalist to me. I would guess that means that, following KDE legacy, things will be highly configurable. ^_^
If any of you who have complained about this in the past are reading this, what do you think? - mancat, on 11/02/2007, -1/+7As much as I like KDE, I have to say that I think it looks like a frankenstein of OS X and Vista.
- Phocion55, on 11/02/2007, -0/+6.....because it's a GREAT programming practice to keep backend logic and GUI components all mushed together in one huge lump, right?
Most idiotic comment I've seen in awhile. - dualscreenman, on 11/02/2007, -1/+7I'm guessing you didn't zoom in? The browser scales the image.
- kazamx, on 11/02/2007, -0/+6Its important to remember even when KDE 4.0 is finished its NOT going to be that amazing. KDE 4.1 and 4.2 will really fetch the wow factor with them.
Think of it like OSX. The original release was a pile of crap. x.1 was much better X.2 better still. KDE will be the same thing. - landty, on 10/31/2007, -3/+9Finally something to take some spotlight other than Leopard. (no pun intended)
I love Linux and love Leopard. I can't wait to see the finished product. - SteveMax, on 10/31/2007, -0/+6Judging only the looks and not the technology running under the curtain, there are some very good things on those screenshots. The Oxygen style and windows' decoration look very clean. It's beautiful.
However, on http://www.phoronix.net/image.php?id=898&image=kde ... we can see a big failure of the windows' decoration: the active window isn't clearly separated from the inactive ones. It really needs either a color for the active bar, or a different gray. On a cluttered desktop, this is a showstopper.
Also, what's the point of the different colours in http://www.phoronix.net/image.php?id=898&image=kde ... ? This screenshot also shows an irritating bug: the checkboxes are placed one or two pixels below the text. - oobuntu, on 11/01/2007, -0/+5I'm a KDE 3.5.7 user and my setup is looking nice. I use emerald themes, compiz fusion and superkaramba, and some lovely icons i found on the baghira page. The trouble with Openness is that we see the development shots and mockups, when maybe we shouldn't. Remember that screenshots from big moneygrabbing Corps have been airbrushed to bits. This is the raw stuff from the devs.
I won't be installing KDE 4.0 since there's too much missing at the mo. I'm excited but i'm not expecting anything great for at least 12 more months. Consider KDE4.0 release as the beta, and your expectations might not be dashed.
To suppport my case, check out the comparative hideousness of KDE 3.0 http://www.kde.org/screenshots/kde300shots.php - SteveMax, on 10/31/2007, -0/+5There are still quite a few showstoppers listed in http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release ... like:
"Playing short sound files sometimes only plays the start of the sound (which can be almost nothing). This is a showstopper for notification sounds."
"expected time of arrival: [...]I have no idea"
I hope they manage to improve the situation, but this is a .0.0 release. It won't be mature by that time. - zervic, on 10/31/2007, -0/+5Dugg for Amarok 2 screenshots.
- martalli, on 11/02/2007, -0/+4OTOH, it is being released a little late to hit the fall series of releases for the major distros. In this way, the only people who have to pick up kde4 in December will be the 'early adopters', or people using rolling distros like arch. This target audience is more likely to be forgiving and helpful with bugs which appear in the wild. Maybe they will have a bug fix release in time for the next round of distro releases...if any major bug fixes are needed.
- mmmiiikkkeee, on 11/02/2007, -0/+4I don't know how to respond... OK good for you. the rest of us don't care about your view though.
- earlycj5, on 11/01/2007, -0/+4I agree, I think people are too wrapped up in how it looks right now and forget that the base needs to be laid first before the cool looking stuff can be implemented.
It's been said other places and bears repeating. KDE 4.0 isn't going to be a big a step away from 3.5.* as 4.1, 4.2, etc. that's where we'll start seeing the difference as far as appearance. - Rojahon, on 10/31/2007, -0/+4It's called choices. We have many of them.
- GMorgan, on 10/31/2007, -0/+4Qt4 is free on Windows. The old Qt3 was non-free. In any case the Qt library has always been free of cost, they charge developers to use it for proprietary applications.
- erickh, on 11/01/2007, -2/+5The fit and finish does leave something to be desired. This is where I think they have failed in the past and continue to do so now. Gnome has much better fit and finish, although even that doesn't compare to Vista...and now I believe Leopard is the best I've seen to date.
- keyo, on 10/31/2007, -0/+3I noticed it too, the gap between the icon and the text has been made smaller. Open source projects are great when they listen to users.
The taskbar still looks like a big turd, when is this new one coming? I think they could make the taskbar just have 1 line of tasks as default and no horizontal gradient.
No --,[] X buttons on the kickoff menu anymore, which is great because it's not a window.
I really hate the default wallpaper, but it's just a wallpaper and will be changed by distros.
The developers are doing a great job as far as I can see. - arjie, on 10/31/2007, -0/+3I agree. I dislike the taskbar and the fact that there's no difference between focussed windows and the rest. That's painful if you're using focus follows mouse, the window topmost can sometimes not be the one you're trying to type to.
Personally, I liked KDE 3.5's default look better (or atleast the one that was in Kubuntu), but I hear there's been some awesome stuff done with the internals on this KDE release and I saw that other blog of one of the designers where he showed some really good looking stuff. - hockey, on 10/31/2007, -1/+4If fonts taskbars and layouts are the only things people can complain about in a beta product I'd say KDE is doing just fine.
- inactive, on 11/04/2007, -0/+2Compared to other similar open-source projects, they're giving themselves a decent amount of time between freeze and final. I think we can fairly expect a nicely stable release.
- lengau, on 11/02/2007, -0/+2Goto? No serious programmer would use goto when comefrom is available!
http://catb.org/jargon/html/C/COME-FROM.html - darkNiGHTS, on 11/01/2007, -1/+3Says the person who's top dugg category in the last thirty days is apple.
- daftman, on 11/04/2007, -1/+3Are you one of those people who keep complaining about looks but never bother to contribute?
1. It's still in Beta
2. It's customizeable
3. If you really want to, contribute by sending them screenshots of how it would look better.
Don't just sit there and be a flaccid whiner. - GMorgan, on 10/31/2007, -0/+2Yes, even better if you don't use any sort of subroutine. The ideal software will be a line number based system with conditional goto statements the only possible branch and with every single piece coded in a single text file (so that recompile runs are fun). There are no separate processes, each application is compiled into the kernel and linked explicitly to a keyword.
- lengau, on 11/02/2007, -0/+2If only KDE had the sort of R&D money that Apple puts into Leopard's GUI and apps...
- lengau, on 11/02/2007, -0/+2KDE3 looked like it was aimed at kids?
- Gambit89, on 11/04/2007, -0/+2An effect of JPEG compression?
- oobuntu, on 10/31/2007, -0/+2you obviously haven't been following the KDE4 story. KDE4 will have its own native compositing built in, and no reliance on compiz (they decided that to give compiz full qt4 kwin compatibility would require too much effort to port it). Now you'll have different levels of bling based on your type of gfx card.
Currently the performance isn't as good as compiz but it's early days!
I think suse has had compiz enabled in KDE 3.5.x for a while? - lengau, on 11/02/2007, -0/+2Please explain. Do you not like the icon? or is your problem with the menu itself? How would you suggest we improve it?
If you have a specific thing that you'd like changed (and a specific way to change it), please feel free to file a bug report. - wooptoo, on 11/02/2007, -0/+1Some time ago i really liked KDE... KDE2 that is. Then KDE3 came out and i didn't like it, so i switched to Gnome 2. Then Gnome 2.18 came out and it started being very unstable with all those python/ruby/mono bindings and crap and again i switched to xfce... If it keeps going like this, i'll soon be using just a xterm. Or i'll just buy a Mac... OSX is the only unix with a clean and consistent interface.
http://www.kde.org/screenshots/images/large/kde2fi ... - BastionPl, on 11/02/2007, -0/+1More screenshots : http://www.jarzebski.pl/read/kde-4-rev-731595.so
- SteveMax, on 11/01/2007, -0/+1You mean lower the saturation of the whole window? If it's done in hardware (meaning "it affects video overlays too"), it could be nice; but it wouldn't degrade nicely to older/integrated video cards. I'm talking about the basic, unaccelerated window decorator; and it should provide enough differentiation between active and inactive windows.
- lengau, on 10/31/2007, -0/+1AFAIK, the libraries and applications will be available for just about any platform. However, I think it's only a full DE on *nix.
- terog, on 11/01/2007, -0/+1Yeah but in KDE3, setting your home page will take you there even in the file browsing mode... aaargh!! Aand when you click e.g. the Home icon on the desktop it'll open in your last web browsing window... aaarghh again!!
KHTML has a lot of potential so why not make a REAL browser fot it? Shouldn't be too hard actually, if Konq's codebase would be used. - dezman2003, on 11/01/2007, -1/+2Not sure why your getting dugg down, you're right.
- antitab, on 11/01/2007, -0/+1You read wrong. Most KDE4 *applications* will be inherently cross-platform, but the shell itself isn't capable of replacing Explorer.
- lengau, on 10/31/2007, -0/+1How about graying out unfocused windows? I really like the titlebar how it is.
- clos, on 10/31/2007, -0/+1...yes that "start" button...
- lengau, on 10/31/2007, -0/+1I'm guessing a combination of the font settings on that machine (looks like anti-aliasing was off, although compression might be throwing it off) and your personal preference for fonts. This isn't a KDE thing, and can be changed
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