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- schestowitz, on 01/18/2008, -8/+33"4.0.0" indicates that it's an early release, but it possibly would have been better had the KDE developers labeled it something like "KDE 4 Preview Release" or "KDE pre4". That would affect perspective of reviewers. Just my humble opinion, not a complaint.
- dualscreenman, on 01/18/2008, -1/+16It's quite stable. Lack of feature parity with KDE 3.5 != alpha.
- puelocesar, on 01/18/2008, -4/+19Great article. A must read for many people here on digg
- ha1f, on 01/18/2008, -5/+18This is why Linux has been falling apart (in my eyes) recently. Sure there are a ton of new users... but... They give you something like this for FREE and you still have the balls to complain about it? They released it early on purpose to get feedback and get it out do developers (because developers often won't develop for beta). It's in the blogs people. You knew what they were releasing, or at least you would have if you had bothered to do any research. Sure, it's an interesting release strategy, and sure, there are bugs, but don't get your panties in a ***** bunch. It's FREE. You have NO RIGHT at all to say what they can or can't do. This is the problem with Linux becoming the new big thing. On this side of things, you don't complain and berate--you ask nicely. People are donating their time and effort to come out with a product that you get to use for free. This isn't Windows anymore, newbies. You didn't pay for a service. They can release however they ***** want to. If you don't like it, don't ***** use it.
- puelocesar, on 01/18/2008, -4/+16Well, it's very, VERY, different from Vista. It's have some elements from Osx, that's true, but I fail to see any resemblance with Vista.
Well, it has start button, taskbar and windows.. But that's the very basic of desktop interface. Oh well, it's looks like vista because the taskbar has the same color! Oh, common - vikingdiplomat, on 01/18/2008, -2/+11"release early, release often"
- NJank, on 01/18/2008, -3/+11maybe they should use something that indicates what it means, instead of something misleading...
- arbulus, on 01/18/2008, -1/+9It's all just semantics. When you say KDE 4, it is understood that you mean the current release, which is KDE 4.0. There's no sense in splitting hairs over something that really means absolutely nothing.
- eqisow, on 01/18/2008, -2/+10Your understanding of closed vs open development cycles is flawed.
- DAaaMan64, on 01/18/2008, -4/+11"I’m stuck writing this from Vista on a 64 bit processor (AMD 3200+) with 3 gigs of RAM and it is unbearably slow. " I love KDE but I'm just gonna call BS on this line. I really down it is "unbearable"
- bllambert, on 01/18/2008, -2/+9KDE 4.0 is not KDE 4. It will get better.
In the meantime, you can install KDE 4.0 as a separate session, and can play with it as it gets better.
I personally enjoy using the new KDE4 aps in my default gnome session. They are not as fast as they are in KDE, but it doesn't look half bad. The new oxygen theme is very pretty, even if it doesn't match everything else. - arbulus, on 01/18/2008, -1/+8If you don't like it, turn off the Linux/Unix section in your preferences.
- earlycj5, on 01/18/2008, -1/+8No, it's a desktop environment, not the OS.
KDE also runs on the BSDs among other OSes, you might check into it before commenting and looking silly. - jaytek13, on 01/18/2008, -1/+7Except Microsoft purported it was production value, released it as such, and charged people insane amount of money to use it. The KDE team was honest about the release before it was released, and hey, it's free software. The community is a cornerstone of free software support and development, and the end users are part of that community.
- charlesray, on 01/18/2008, -6/+12"People complain about Kickoff, the new (possibly temporary) menu in KDE 4. Have you used the monstrosity that Vista provides? Plus, if you do not like Kickoff, you can drag the old style launcher to the taskbar and be happy. Vista offers nothing of the sort."
Um...classic start menu? Has this guy ever ***** used Windows? Besides the fact the new start menu in Vista is fine, Microsoft has kept the classic start menu in every release; the option is always there to use it if you want to.
OK, now I read further and discover this man has no business using computers. He claims he is running Vista on a 3200+ with 3gb of RAM and it is "unbearably slow." I'm writing this on a laptop with 1gb of RAM (that is further crippled by shared video RAM) and it works fine. - shakin, on 01/18/2008, -2/+84.0 refers to a final release. It's not an alpha, a beta, or a release candidate. We all know that the KDE 4 series will get better, but this is still the final 4.0 release and it is full of bugs and lacks major basic functionality.
- renegadeafk, on 01/18/2008, -2/+7I like the new KDE menu alot, but vista's menu is not a "monstrosity" I think it works very well.
- ajames01, on 01/18/2008, -2/+6I'm on vista only 1 gig of ram and it isn't slow in the least.... i also run photoshop cs3 and illustrator cs3 parallel, with firefox (with many tabs), u torrent, launcy and many other background apps. oh, as well as a web server and mysql...
Vista is not slow...
Slower on older hardware? Sure, so is XP compared to what ran 98
For the millionth time, VISTA IS NOT SLOW. And i have had 0 problems with it after using it for many many many months and hours and hours a day. - atdigg, on 01/18/2008, -0/+44.0 != 4 for large amount of 0
- Neiby, on 01/18/2008, -1/+5I think this is more like moving into a brand new house only to find that only one of your bathrooms has a toilet installed, half of the appliances in the kitchen are missing, and many of the rooms don't have electricity yet. You probably would not be worried about all of this if you had known the house wasn't finished, but you would be rather disappointed if you expected a finished--if undecorated--home.
- Protoss, on 01/18/2008, -3/+7Preview Release would have been better, as this is really all 4.0 is.
- earlycj5, on 01/18/2008, -1/+5I'd say criticism is warranted as well.
C'mon, KDE always was more configurable than Gnome and when I log in first thing I see is that silly task bar that I don't want. I CAN'T CHANGE IT!
I'm sorry, but that seems like something that should be included, that thing takes up WAYY too much space on my screen.
Back to 3.5.8 for me, I'll wait and see if they get 4.1 right. - NJank, on 01/18/2008, -0/+4begin the 4.0 != 4 geek jokes...
- technobabble042, on 01/18/2008, -0/+4The reason why it's being complained about is because it was hyped as the Next Big Thing. They kept throwing out all these features that everyone - even myself - was excited about. And then it releases, and doesn't even remotely meet what they hyped it up to be. I know it's not easy to program a whole new DE. But the thing is, they promised something that they didn't deliver on. What they released is a damned impressive piece of software. I just can't use it because several key features were missing. Like an easy way to resize the panel, or move the panel. That thing is huge, and wastes so much space on my monitors. I want to resize it, but I also don't want to have to find a XML file to do so. It's issues like that which shouldn't even exist in a release that was as hyped as this one.
- StanStutter, on 01/18/2008, -3/+6Online ad revenues alone exceeded $15B in 2005. The purpose of advertisement isn't just for hyping products; it also manages expectations. This is something that a fan-base isn't capable of. We underestimate the value of good marketing because we think we're smart.
KDE 4 will do fine despite our best efforts :) - inactive, on 01/19/2008, -0/+3If I remember correctly all those new things ("all" being most of the important stuff) that they were hyping about were announced to be in 4.1, not 4.0.
- dualscreenman, on 01/18/2008, -0/+3When he says "Vista has nothing of the sort" I believe he's talking about the option of what type of menu you want to use. Anyone with brains would know that Windows pioneered the "classic menu" concept.
- MrTonic, on 01/18/2008, -5/+8It's not ready. It's nice and all, looks ok, but majority of the "nice" (and some of very important) features are still in production. I was bit disappointed, because i thought that 4.0 would actually be something ready, and it wasn't. But i can wait. I am bit eager though, because i really want that eye-candy + and get rid of MS. That will be a good day, indeed. =)
- ha1f, on 01/18/2008, -0/+3LOL. No, that's not how it happened.
- sirhomer, on 01/18/2008, -1/+4In OSS getting a release out is more important then getting a release right. Fact of the matter is unless they push out the software and real people start using it won't get anywhere. So you can either use KDE 4.0, report bugs, help with their documentation, help with the development, but whining is not going to get you anywhere and it makes you look like a sissy girl.
- IxE78, on 01/18/2008, -4/+7Funny.. They got the same reactions Windows Vista got when it got released but when it's for KDE, it's not the same...
" I can't understand why people are complaining about KDE4 already. It's brand new and it's not easy programming a massive desktop environment. I doubt these people could program something better. "
Replace KDE4 by Vista... Same difference! - krackajap, on 01/18/2008, -1/+4It's perfectly alright that you have complaints. After all, it is the entire point of releasing early. I just hope everyone that is displeased with certain aspects of KDE4 are actually providing feedback to the developers so they know what needs to be addressed and what direction the project should take. Otherwise you have no business being an early adopter and are hurting KDE in the long run.
- reginaldino, on 01/18/2008, -1/+4kde4 team have brought it on themselves. in order to not look behind schedule they released "4.0" instead the shoud of just released "rc3"
- eean, on 01/18/2008, -2/+5RTFA
- babar77, on 01/18/2008, -1/+4I agree/disagree with what you have to say. First I disagree because user feedback is an important part of development. I'm sure the developers WANT the feedback so they can make a better product. At least if they are good developers they would want that. However I agree because there is also a lot of BAD feedback like "It's to much like vista/gnome" WTF is that? How is anyone developing the software supposed to act on that type of feedback? Is it the functionality? Is is the look? And what are your specific complaints about the look? How would you like to see it? Answering those questions is what people should be doing. All the zealotry is just plain stupid and counter-productive - it's worse than if those people would just keep their mouth's shut.
Those of you out there giving criticism, you should ask yourself somethings before you speak: Is what your going to say constructive and not some emotional, zealot rant? If not, then feel free to STFU or don't assume you have some right to be all pissed about how "this ain't a democracy" or "I don't have freedom of speech" or other BS excuses when people ignore you. People have the freedom to ignore complaining, whining, non-constructive, immature morons. - rowjimmy, on 01/18/2008, -3/+5if you want that eye-candy, install compiz fusion atop gnome. you'll get better eye candy than anything MS has to offer if you have the slighest bit of a video card
- MattBD, on 01/19/2008, -0/+2It will get better, I'm sure of it. I'm going to try the KDE4 version of Kubuntu Hardy when that's released, and if I'm not happy with it I'll use the KDE3.5.8 version instead. KDE4.1 is due in about September, so Kubuntu 8.10 should feature it.
- eqisow, on 01/18/2008, -1/+3What dualscreenman said. It's not alpha quality software. I would say it's not even beta, although I did manage to crash kwin once with compositing on + opengl apps. The libraries are complete and the applications marked stable are stable. The alpha/beta quality features were purposely left out.
Lack of feature parity with KDE 3.5 != alpha. - ha1f, on 01/18/2008, -0/+2Of course feedback is important. I'm not saying everyone should should keep their mouths shut. I'm just saying that the _complaining_ needs to stop. The people need to realize that they can drop their suggestions in the suggestion box and be on their merry way. But the cries of "OMG shoulda been beta" are a load of *****. They know what they put out. ***** like "My perspective: They should have just been honest and released it as alpha. No amount of excuses can change that." is useless garbage.
- charlesray, on 01/18/2008, -6/+8It's pretty obvious to me that this guy wrote this article as a lame excuse to bash Vista. Notice how diplomatic he is in his comparison to GNOME, but basically makes ***** up to bash Vista.
- Goache, on 01/18/2008, -3/+5I can't understand why people are complaining about KDE4 already. It's brand new and it's not easy programming a massive desktop environment. I doubt these people could program something better.
- penguinerd, on 01/19/2008, -1/+3Author here. I am "***** using Vista" as I write this. Sorry, it is slow. The machine isn't the latest and greatest, but really with my specs it should run faster. It is a pretty clean install. The start menu is a matter of opinion. If you think it is fine, cool. It works for you. I don't like it. When I said "Vista offers nothing of the sort" I was referring to the option of reverting to the old menu style. That isn't even a criticism of Vista, it is just pointing out that KDE 4.0 is different than Vista. What processor is in your laptop?
Sorry to pick you out to respond to. It gets increasingly hard to be diplomatic when I write a simple article and get attacked as having some anti-vista agenda. I'm glad you enjoy Vista so much. - charlesray, on 01/18/2008, -3/+5I use Vista every day on two computers. Every computer I've ever installed it on works great. I'm not going to criticize others for hating Vista when there is a pretty large amount of people with bad experiences, but I still haven't the faintest clue what they do to Vista to make it suck.
- keyo, on 01/18/2008, -0/+2"The official KDE 4.0 release event is going on at the moment. Among the hot topics at that event is the release schedule for KDE 4.1, which now targets July this year."-Roland Walters, Planet KDE
- robertlankford, on 01/18/2008, -0/+2I would agree with this. Desktop cube is impressive. I never get tired (yes, I'm that easily entertained) with needlessly having videos playing on two desktops simultaneously and hovering the cube between them.
- paku, on 01/18/2008, -0/+2KDE4 is cheaper..
- absurdist, on 01/19/2008, -0/+2After looking over your comment history, I have to ask... have you ever had anything intelligent to say in your life?
- inactive, on 01/18/2008, -0/+2So in other words, projects like these are above any criticism whatsoever. That's like saying I can't criticize the Red Cross when someone figures out my donations have been paying VIP jet flights for their bureaucrats.
If you don't want this type of reaction when you do something wrong, don't make an effort to define what "right" is by hyping the thing to death for a year in advance. - int19h, on 01/22/2008, -0/+1When you write a technical article, people will always give you some sort of pepper. Either out of ignorance, stupidity or disagreement. It's part of the package and you can only master it with curiosity, not with going all defensive.
- Eldoo77, on 01/19/2008, -0/+14.0 = 4 for small amount of zero
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