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- kingofpenguins, on 01/08/2008, -6/+37It seems like KWin is focusing more on useful things like accessibility, while Compiz Fusion is focusing more on just the bling. Hopefully this will show others that compositing can actually be extremely useful instead of all those wobbly windows getting in in the way of actual work.
- devHH, on 01/08/2008, -2/+30I'm really looking forward to KDE 4!
..Very professional presentation btw *thumbs up* - iLemon, on 01/08/2008, -2/+26Leopar effects were implemented in compiz before you could even buy it. Stick your head back up your ass.
- BastionPl, on 01/08/2008, -1/+24And screenshots : http://www.jarzebski.pl/read/kde-4-rev-758000.so
- haterofps3, on 01/08/2008, -1/+19Wow look at all the hate, I guess if it isn't a dancing and singing frog everyone gets all pissy. Yes Mac OSX can do these thing, yes Windows could do many of these things. What the post is trying to get across is kwin and KDE 4.0 can do them as well.
Mac fanboys we know Leopard is great we get it and right now everyone is coping Leopard, so what? Why are you getting pissy about i, aside from the fact that people with linux didn't need to drop a couple thousand dollars to get it. It runs on older hardware and is extremely customizable.
If you hate on Linux for doing something new and for free you really are a prick! - LordVoldemort, on 01/08/2008, -0/+17You're fortunate enough not to be vision impaired.
- inactive, on 01/08/2008, -2/+18 Yup,I'm liking the looks of it a goodly bit.
- MeneerR, on 01/08/2008, -0/+14Well, since it is based on an already existing window manager, the primary competition will be in the area of the STABILITY.
Dare I say it. Compiz is way more configureable. Yet this seems like it sets upp sane defaults.
Did gnome and kde suddenly swap places or what? - nhnFreespirit, on 01/08/2008, -0/+13This point has been made many times by people much more knowledgeable in the details than me, but I will make it here again. Compiz is great at compositing and making nice effects, but every single time I have used it, I have come to really hate its, _very_ limited, window management features. As a windows manager, KWN is in a different league all together. So the developers came to the conclusion that it would be less work to begin to bring compositing to KWIN instead of trying to add the many years of work on window management tweaks to something like Compiz.
As far as 3d effects, KWIN still has a long way to go to catch up with Compiz, but that will come over time, and all the while we will still have a great windows manager. - romistrub, on 01/08/2008, -14/+26Hasn't this all been done before? I'm not entirely sure what to look for / be impressed by.
- thecheatah, on 01/08/2008, -0/+12As an kde user, who is looks forward to ANY kde update, I think this is a big step towards the right direction. Good job everyone!
- HerbertScrunge, on 01/08/2008, -0/+11That was a very slick presentation - thanks for putting it together!
- iofthestorm, on 01/08/2008, -1/+11Well, for some people it might be less strain on their eyes.
- makario, on 09/03/2009, -2/+12Actually, Linux was implementing these effects long before Vista came around.
- gerryk, on 01/08/2008, -0/+10I'm pretty sure you can choose not to use any or all of the effects... I don't see anyone holding a KGun to your head
- leinir, on 01/08/2008, -0/+10Sorry nope, no can do. KWin is an old, well-written, proven window manager, which just learned a few new tricks. Lubos even tried including Compiz' plugins, but since there's not such thing as a plugin interface for Compiz without re-implementing the whole thing (Compiz' plugins just have access to all Compiz' internals, yay sanity?) that was simply not possible.
As for judging smoothness of an effect from a video? Come on, you know as well as anybody else that that's just nit-picking - The KWin effects run considerably more smoothly in real life. See it in real life before judging that specific bit. - robbie32, on 01/08/2008, -0/+8dugg for having the balls to play jamal-policeman in the background haha
- inactive, on 01/08/2008, -3/+11I use it quite a bit on my Mac (command-option-control-8). It's easier on the eyes when you're using the computer in the dark, and I've also heard it makes laptop screens more visible outdoors. It often saves battery life in those situations as well.
- fluxion, on 01/08/2008, -0/+7if enabling these effects dont cause all my titlebars to dissappear like with Compiz then im sold!
desktop grid looks extremely useful, and the fancy application switching features are fun when you're bored. - reginaldino, on 01/08/2008, -0/+7where have you been? compiz and beryl has had it for ages, long before leopard. afaik kwin incorporates all of compiz-fusion goodiness into the desktop environment using their own code
- bmartin, on 01/08/2008, -0/+7Compiz was released January 2006 by Novell
Beryl forked from Compiz during September 2006
Windows Vista (retail) was released January 30, 2007
Mac OS X 10.5 was released October 26, 2007
Linux had "super eye candy" for over a year before Windows Vista came out. - jshabad00, on 01/08/2008, -1/+7Yes, very nice... this is the one thing I have been missing from running KDE4 via VirtualBox...
- emehrkay, on 01/08/2008, -0/+63 days left, im excited
- SniperZero, on 01/08/2008, -0/+6You still back at digg v2? There is a video and image section now.
- MBX1, on 01/08/2008, -4/+10Eyecandy as in linux compiz or this example or os-x Leopard is ok, since not only can you switch off the ones you don't need but also it doesn't use as much CPU as Vista does. Microsoft doesn't really understand how to implement these things well.
- seannana, on 01/08/2008, -0/+6believe it or not but those are great accessibility features. I actually have many friends who use similar features in Mac OSX. ...people losing their mouse cursor, people that have a hard time reading black text on a large white background. ...so good for KDE 4.0.0. ...EVERYONE uses their computer for different reasons.
- p0tent1al, on 01/08/2008, -2/+8lol @ the music
- shakin, on 01/08/2008, -0/+6I'm pretty sure 3d-Desktop for Linux predates Desktop Manager for OS X. I also recall several Open GL shell replacements for Windows in the late 90's, so 3d accelerated desktop effects aren't exactly new either.
- RaiKitsune, on 01/08/2008, -0/+6Being able to view all workspaces simultaneously isn't functional?
- SniperZero, on 01/08/2008, -0/+5Invert is really nice when there is tons of white on the screen and its in a dark room. Doesn't kill your eyes as much. The stars thing is just to locate your mouse sometimes people can't see it (eg as LordVoldemort said vision impaired people).
- sark666, on 01/08/2008, -0/+5I was wondering the same, unfortunately, it probably wasn't done in linux. Well, maybe a couple of programs out there could do this, but with anything have way advanced in video editing effects, linux is sorely lacking.
- HonoredMule, on 01/08/2008, -0/+5"...but nobody insults the authors of other programs."
I wanna be in whatever dimension your open source community occupies. It sounds positively utopian. - SimonGray, on 01/08/2008, -0/+5KDE 4 won't work on Windows. It's the underlying libraries that are being ported which means the KDE apps are being ported. This was not possible with KDE 3 because Qt for Windows had a proprietary licence. KWIN requires a recent variety of X with various extensions, which is not available for Windows AFAIK (not even using CygWin), but I could be wrong.
- MeneerR, on 01/08/2008, -1/+6Esspiaclly governemt is often required to take this into account.
Even when no disabled person works there, making it impossible for them to do so, is not legal.
So, when they build a new building it has to be wheelchair friendly. When they setup 100 terminals with a linux server, they better make sure a blind or otherwise disabled person could still possibly work there.
I honestly don't think that's a bad thing. Windows has external expensive 3rd party tools to make it do this.
I would vote anyday to have features for disabled people mandatorry on any pre-installed or sold/supported OS. - bedo, on 01/08/2008, -0/+5what kind of screen cast software used in making this video? anyone knows? I like the transitions used, any ideas what video editing SW used.
nice work! - leinir, on 01/08/2008, -0/+5Let me up that one: Being able to view all windows on all workspaces simultaneously with filter isn't functional?
- ArthurSucks, on 01/08/2008, -1/+5Okay, show us the Desktop that YOU built and we'll compare. Oh that's right, you didn't build one!
- TheNik, on 01/08/2008, -14/+18Wow that music is awful.
- ToadLeg, on 01/08/2008, -5/+9"the hicks at Gnome"
You're really new to open source, aren't you? There is competition between different programs that do similar things in open source, but nobody insults the authors of other programs. You use the one that you find to be the best, and contribute to it. Other people who find an other program to be better for their purposes uses and contributes to it. We are all working on the same thing. KDE is coming out with some great things, but don't count Gnome out - they may come back with some great improvements too. There are also several other desktop environment/window managers too, like XFCE, Fluxbox, and Enlightenment, which other people use because they are the best for what some people do. KDE4 isn't even out for an other 4 days, and it will be incomplete when it does. It will be months before the new version has all its components together and has settled down. - reginaldino, on 01/08/2008, -0/+4i think people make fun of vistas eye-candy because of the resources it uses, not because it looks bad
- SniperZero, on 01/08/2008, -1/+5Yeah but you see this is all in KDE... Instead of having 3 different desktop environments you now have 1.
- BastionPl, on 01/08/2008, -1/+5Hi, this is Jamal - Policeman (Polish Artist)
- leinir, on 01/08/2008, -0/+4Mmm, desktop cube, so useful for getting a nice, clean overview over your desktops' contents! Mmm, desktop grid with filter, i'd go with that one any day :)
- MeatBiProduct, on 01/08/2008, -0/+4or for that matter a Vista gun. btw Microsoft made Vista - not the KDE team.
- Urusai, on 01/08/2008, -0/+4Thank goodness they didn't go with the typical ***** or emo-asswipe soundtrack.
- MeneerR, on 01/08/2008, -2/+6Actually, color blind people can see all the colors this way. Sometimes a ugly webpage or something didn't think about them. Invert the colors and colorblind people can read the ugly red text on a blue background as well.
Etc. - blueness, on 01/08/2008, -1/+4Tell me, how is wobbly windows any more useful than an invert effect? or magic lantern, or any other effects that compiz offer for that matter. Sure, it gives you some kicks, but IMO, the KDE composite effects are WAY more practical. Invert, Mouse mark, Zoom, Dim windows are wonderful tools that improves linux's accessibility for people with disabilities. Plus, You don't even want to go into the memory and resource usage that KDE4 composite has against the compiz effects. The difference is enormous. Bottom line is, You can still use compiz if you want, but KDE composite is well on its way to become the de-facto for Linux compositing.
- JohnFlux, on 01/08/2008, -0/+3There's also the issue of what to do if you don't have 3D acceleration, or if you need to turn it off. KWin can work fine with or without it, but compiz can't.
- Smwbigboss, on 01/08/2008, -4/+7My first impression was "Holy *****, look at the size of the status bar." My next impression was "Oh wait... ohhhhh. Nvm"
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