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KDE4 final has been released! Grab a Live CD here to test it

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  • schestowitz, on 01/12/2008, -37/+8Is there a KDE4 live CD that is not Ballux (Ballmer Linux)?
    • kretik, on 01/12/2008, -4/+21Good god, the laughs just do not stop.
    • 4DFX, on 01/12/2008, -13/+7Schestowitz has a point, but his approach is completely off course here
      Anyway, congratulations to the KDE team!
    • digerati1338, on 01/12/2008, -2/+9There are several. Kubuntu and debian both have one.
    • gabn, on 01/12/2008, -1/+9http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php
      yes you can get kubuntu live cd of kde 4
    • Giga, on 01/12/2008, -4/+13Schestowitz, do you intentionally try to sound like a fanatical idiot?
    • wellyuk, on 01/12/2008, -2/+5Ballmer Linux? What's he talking about? I'm not up on the Linux distro in-fighting.
      • MethodOne, on 01/12/2008, -2/+10He's referring to Novell's controversial patent deal with Microsoft.
    • GawtMilk, on 01/12/2008, -3/+5Is there a schestowitz comment that doesn't Sux (fanatical idiot)?
    • CoolWind, on 01/12/2008, -1/+1ballocks, ballux. I get it.
  • armo, on 01/12/2008, -1/+29It's in gutsy backports already, I'm impressed
    • phinn, on 01/12/2008, -2/+10Thats gotta be the fastest backport in history. Awesome!
    • secleinteer, on 01/12/2008, -1/+5I installed it in Gutsy (from the Launchpad PPA, not from the backports, but it's the same thing) and library conflicts between KDE 3 and 4 caused a number of issues, the biggest of which was xine not working (no Kaffeine or MPlayer video output). I'd suggest holding off on this for a while until the bugs are sorted out.
      • arbulus, on 01/12/2008, -0/+4what if you just uninstalled KDE 3 and installed KDE 4 by itself?
    • reddcell, on 01/12/2008, -2/+5Don't be too impressed. Many library conflicts and poor performance. I purged it soon after installing...
  • valent, on 01/12/2008, -2/+10I'm downloading it to give it a spin under VirtualBox on my Fedora 8 ;)
  • valent, on 01/12/2008, -10/+2I find suspicious that there is no Amarok on KDE 4.0 final live cd!?! I tested KDE 4.0 RC2 and I couldn't find a way to add podcasts to Amarok 2.0 and I posted that on official KDE forum and I got no answer. It looks like some apps weren't ready for this launch and they had to pull them out :(
    This looks like a forced release because of that. They should have released when they finished all apps for KDE...
    • kreneskyp, on 01/12/2008, -0/+8This is a release for the main apis. all the kde apps will follow later.
    • kleverness, on 01/12/2008, -0/+10Amarok has a different release schedule, it isn't part of the KDE base project. As of today, Amarok 2 isn't even alpha.
  • mufffin, on 01/12/2008, -1/+5Good job, props to the KDE team! Absolutely love it!
  • CAPITALLETTERS, on 01/12/2008, -23/+4Preview video:
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=eBGIQ7ZuuiU
  • digerati1338, on 01/12/2008, -2/+8There are many other live CD's out there. Most major distro's have them. Look around the bottom of this page.
    http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.0/

    Debian has a live CD, Kubuntu has a live CD, and I think openSuse does as well.

    There are instructions for installing on all major distros on that page too. I'm running it on kubuntu 7.10 right now, alongside KDE 3.5.8.
  • ha1f, on 01/12/2008, -4/+32Taskbar is non-customizable? Really guys? This release is rushed. Looks like the hype backfired. I have no doubt it will be remedied, but there really was no reason to rush this release out.
    • LocDawg, on 01/12/2008, -15/+3Lol you mean YOU can't customize it. Better wait 'til ubuntor does it for you. APT-GET INSTALL A BRAIN.
    • cquilliam, on 01/12/2008, -1/+8I tend to agree with ha1f, it does feel rushed, but, no one is forcing it down our throats. I installed it alongside my kde 3.5 install on kubuntu, tried it for a while, poked around, and then went back to 3.5. I'm not saying its bad but its just not polished yet. However, if i remember correctly, 3.0 wasn't great out of the gates either, and now its awesome. Just the same as XP out of the gate was horrible, but matured into a fairly stable and reliable system (still no windows 2000 though :) )
    • mscman, on 01/12/2008, -0/+2Yeah, I'm really not impressed at all by this 4.0 release. True, it looks great, but functionally it's clunky and backwards... Come back to me when it's fixed and i might think about switching to 4...
  • wukillabee, on 01/12/2008, -16/+0but is it good enough to run on windows?
    • Narwaffle, on 01/12/2008, -3/+31The real question is "is Windows good enough to run KDE"?
    • Klowner, on 01/12/2008, -0/+9no Windows version *yet*. I think they hope to have the apps ported by KDE4 (4.1), don't quote me on that
  • diggerpleez, on 01/12/2008, -4/+10I installed it from the Gutsy repos this morning, and I was never able to get the System Settings to open.... back to Gnome.
    • LocDawg, on 01/12/2008, -43/+2try this
      sudo rm -rf /*
      • WhereAmI, on 01/12/2008, -0/+18Buried and Reported. I hope you are banned.
        For those who are wondering, this starts to clear your hard drive.
      • colto, on 01/12/2008, -1/+11you don't need the *. The r stands for recursive and will delete child directories. That being said, you are a douche.
      • arbulus, on 01/12/2008, -1/+9you really are a piece of *****.
    • crazybrit, on 01/12/2008, -0/+1It's 4.0 it's 4.0 it's 4.0 it's 4.0

      Don't dismiss it just yet.
  • control98408, on 01/12/2008, -1/+3that was a fast torrent, look great so far on my old laptop
  • uziko, on 01/12/2008, -18/+30Just tried it. It sucks.
    • Klowner, on 01/12/2008, -0/+21Yeah, it's still pretty rough, but it's certainly a good start. I'm still looking forward to KDE4
      • mscman, on 01/12/2008, -2/+1It's a good start in the looks department, but the whole application launcher menu is backwards and a rip-off of Vista (not that I like Microsoft's version of it either...) The widgets need to be hideable somehow... like a dashboard of sorts, but also have the option to keep some on the desktop. If this IS a feature, I'd be interested to know how to access it. I still haven't found a worldwide settings panel yet for KDE 4. There's still a TON of work to be done, so I don't get why this is released already...
    • skywake, on 01/12/2008, -2/+9yeah, I installed and ran it this morning and it does indeed suck compared to KDE3 ATM. I can see some good things but for now I think I will stay with 3 until they clean it up a bit.
    • arbulus, on 01/12/2008, -2/+12stunning review, there. care to elaborate?
    • niallabrown, on 01/12/2008, -0/+3It really will "eat your children" but It's a great start. I see a lot of potential.
  • kolanos, on 01/12/2008, -8/+17Played around with it for several hours today, sadly the KDE team has a long ways to go before 4.0 is a viable alternative to Gnome, IMO. I was really looking forward to this release, too.
    • happycat, on 01/12/2008, -2/+4Don't worry, KDE 3.5 is more than a match for poor Gnome. ;)
      Kde4.0 has a long way to go until it's even a viable alternative to kde 3.5, but it looks very good so far. I see what they are trying to do here, but it is a bit misleading to put something out for release when it's in such an alpha state.
  • erkokite, on 01/12/2008, -3/+16I'm running it Kubuntu gutsy and although it looks pretty, it still seems a bit half-baked.
    • hyperfocal, on 01/12/2008, -1/+15The KDE team was warning people that the 4.0 release was going to be rough around the edges. The 3.5 branch is still the one for most users.

      Aaron Seigo said that it wouldn't be until 4.1 or even 4.2 that the new branch would be appropriate for average users.

      Give them a couple months with the 4.0 branch and there will be a good 4.2 release for the general public.
  • esquire360, on 01/12/2008, -6/+5can it run in parallels on a mac?
    • wellyuk, on 01/12/2008, -2/+4I'm going to try it in 27 minutes once it's downloaded. I dont' see any reason it shouldn't work
    • wellyuk, on 01/12/2008, -3/+6Yes it does. Can't say I'm overly impressed though.
  • evilregis, on 01/12/2008, -5/+22I tried it today and I'm completely underwhelmed. The panel is huge. It's less customizable. The menu is awkward. The widget control in the upper corner is ugly. I don't know. I just felt like it was ready to be released.

    Overall it was less than 'meh' for me. I liked the 3.x KDE better than this. I hope the 4.1 (which should've been 4.0) brings significant improvements because it has potential, it's just not there right now. At least not for me.
    • AlesDigg, on 01/12/2008, -7/+2Ok? I don't get this? Isn't KDE4 free? I don't understand people just complaining about being disappointed and underwhelmed about it. That won't help or stimulate KDE developers to improve KDE.
      Why not give some constructive remarks - this should be the point of open source software. You can always continue using 3.5 or GNOME.
      • TomKarpik, on 01/12/2008, -2/+9Something should never be excused from criticisms just because it's free.
        • AlesDigg, on 01/12/2008, -4/+4To me statements like fugly, bloated, it sucks, meh comments are not criticism, but a result of egoistic expectations by people that don't understand that somebody slept for 2 only hours last night trying to get the so-called "fugly" KDE 4 to work. And not get paid for that too.
          If I were a dev and saw these (insulting) comments, I'd lose my interest in programming 4free and apply for a position at Microsoft.
      • mscman, on 01/12/2008, -0/+1Did you TRY KDE4? Because I did, and I agree, it's not up to snuff, at all. I don't know why it's called a final release. It could still be 4.0, but not called final. So no, maybe not ALL of his comments were constructive, but some were, and those matter.
    • joelhardi, on 01/12/2008, -0/+8I think that OP's comments -- "The panel is huge. It's less customizable. The menu is awkward. The widget control in the upper corner is ugly." -- *are* constructive. That's why the KDE folks released this thing rough around the edges, because they wanted to get broader feedback. I mean, you could tell even just from screenshots that it was going to be a little gimpy, but who cares, they shipped it! The next version will be better.
  • nubnub, on 01/12/2008, -2/+764 bit?
  • TheWriteGuy, on 01/12/2008, -1/+3Wow, this is so different -- I'm not really sure what to make of it. But it certainly doesn't look nor feel much like the old KDE. It's a completely different OS altogether.

    I'm going to reserve final judgment until I've tinkered with it for a few more days. It's just that I really was not expecting KDE4 to be so radical of a departure.
  • oneredeye, on 01/12/2008, -2/+4I don't think I've ever had a torrent run that fast before.
  • sonofabeast, on 01/12/2008, -15/+6If this means that I'll finally stop seeing KDE headlines, then I'm excited!!!
    Bury me deep, you bastards.
    • cquilliam, on 01/12/2008, -1/+4I've done my part.
    • LocDawg, on 01/12/2008, -5/+5Unfortunately now your gonna see "LOL HAI GUISE LOOK I INSTALLSED KDE4 ON MYAI UBONTRO BOX L337!!!!"
  • Sabretou, on 01/12/2008, -1/+4Anyone know which repositories have it for PCLinuxOS?
  • roboticelephant, on 01/12/2008, -11/+2Did they get over their ridiculous Kanything fetish? And the blue fetish as well.
    • damentz, on 01/12/2008, -1/+4yes, they bake the K in the app name, such as oKular
  • arcadefun, on 01/12/2008, -3/+10Brief note to everyone saying this release was rushed, or should be tagged Alpha, etc. The following was written by the Plasma (fancy new thing in KDE4) lead dev. It addresses the issues and explains it in a clear and honest fashion. Please give it a read before lashing KDE 4.0.0 http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2008/01/talking-bluntly ...
  • obxjdt, on 01/12/2008, -7/+3Well, yes, I'm going to get it after I type this. But the title here???
    "KDE4 final has been released! Grab a Live CD here to test it" Test it??? Is it a final, RC, or Beta???
    Going to give you a digg, but it's inaccurate.
    • Sairgem, on 01/12/2008, -7/+8It's "final" in the way that the KDE people want to slap a 4.0 on this turd. In no way is it finished. The title isn't innacurate, this piece of ***** still needs testing.
      • bhalo05, on 01/12/2008, -3/+3No, it does not need testing. It needs development... and a miracle to gain back the reputation they're throwing down the drain by releasing the software in such a sorry state.
      • obxjdt, on 01/13/2008, -0/+1so it's really a RC then???
        • bhalo05, on 01/13/2008, -0/+1More like a beta, actually. It shows promise, but all the interesting changes are under the hood. It is nowhere near to be ready to final users.
  • avalys, on 01/12/2008, -10/+6Wow - after all the hype, this really, really sucks. It's horrifically ugly and the user interface is terrible. It looks incredibly unpolished. I would seriously not be surprised if you had told me this was KDE 1.0.


    • niallabrown, on 01/12/2008, -0/+1This is just a rough release. I think they are going in the right direction but there is a lot of work to do.
    • superyounan1, on 01/13/2008, -0/+1yeah man, its the very first in a long long line of releases, don't be a downer
  • elvenseven, on 01/12/2008, -10/+5Fugly, bloaty.
  • supertones, on 01/12/2008, -6/+0compiz --replace
    avant-window-navigator
  • rlbond86, on 01/12/2008, -3/+8KDE 4.0.0 has been released onto the world. "The KDE Community is thrilled to announce the immediate availability of KDE 4.0. This significant release marks both the end of the long and intensive development cycle leading up to KDE 4.0 and the beginning of the KDE 4 era."

    !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    KDE 4.0 is the first release of "KDE 4", but take note that the developers have clearly stated that KDE 4.0 is not KDE 4, but more of a base release with all the underlying systems ready to go, but with still a lot of work to be done on the user-visible side.
    !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Download it from the KDE 4.0 info page. Update: Screenshots.


    dumbasses
  • TomKarpik, on 01/12/2008, -3/+9I would just like to know how these weak explanations/justifications of "KDE 4.0 is not KDE 4" are going to look to the newbie users who install this as part of some distro in the future/from their package managers.

    They'll take one look at it and be like "This is ugly as sin", and then have a bad taste about KDE 4 for a long time. That will definitely have repercussions of some sort.

    PS: Can anyone explain to me how 4.0 != 4?
    • dumbkiwi, on 01/12/2008, -0/+74.0 is the first release in the kde 4 series of releases. Someone above posted a link to an article by aaron seigo explaining this.
    • richbradshaw, on 01/12/2008, -1/+7KDE 4 isn't about looks primarily, it's about the under the hood functionality.

      Looks always come last in linux, after things work properly. It's kind of the opposite of the Windows model of development.
      • bhalo05, on 01/12/2008, -4/+2That explains why Linux is still nowhere on the desktop.
      • swqt, on 01/13/2008, -1/+1Actually, in windows, things never work properly..

        (sorry I had to say it, Vista is giving me too much headaches..)
        • TomKarpik, on 01/13/2008, -0/+0"Things never work properly"?

          Don't spend too much time giving us some examples, you know?
    • nhnFreespirit, on 01/12/2008, -0/+10Simple really.... Distros will not ship with KDE4 as the default until they judge that it has matured enough. So new users will likely not see it for a while still. If you manually go out and install KDE 4.0.0 it should be expected that you know what you are doing and are willing to live with the shortcomings of a very new, completely rewritten .0.0 release.

      KDE 4.0 != KDE4 simply because KDE 4.0.0 is the very first release, and KDE4 will continue to improve and grow with each following release.
      • niallabrown, on 01/12/2008, -0/+1Thanks, I was wondering the same thing, but that makes sense now.
    • rlbond86, on 01/12/2008, -0/+3Significant digits.
  • JusticeFriend, on 01/12/2008, -6/+1Sorry, but its ugly as hell
  • DOGPARTY, on 01/12/2008, -6/+2hows it feel that they spend most of the dev time making those crappy widgets?
    Rotatable/scaleable? christ this is perfect evidence about how real ui designers like those at Apple know just because you can do something doesn't mean you should.
    • Disfnord, on 01/12/2008, -3/+3LOL I'M TYPING IN CAPS
    • crazybrit, on 01/12/2008, -1/+1Yeah they definitely spent most of the dev time on that. Good thinking.
  • prashanthellina, on 01/13/2008, -1/+1I tried it on VirtualBox. I am a Gnome user but have used KDE before. Had abandoned it because I felt Gnome was more streamlined and simple. Was hoping KDE4 would solve some of these issues. I feel it is a step in the right direction. You can read more about my experience here (http://blog.prashanthellina.com/2008/01/13/kde4-on ...
  • marx2k, on 01/14/2008, -0/+1I installed it alongside of my 3.5.8 KDE and really, it feels like it's still in heavy beta release. Half the stuff doesnt work (including kdesu telling me I have the wrong root password every time).. I will continue upgrading it and check in on it every once in a while, but 3.5 is where I will be at least until 4.1 release
  • swills, on 01/17/2008, -0/+1Something must be wrong with that livecd, I kept getting crashes (running in vmware on mac).
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