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- HerbertScrunge, on 12/12/2007, -1/+43KDE fans (or just the KDE-curious) - get filing bug reports! The more that are filed now, the less rough 4.0 will be. There's a RC2 LiveCD here:
http://home.kde.org/~binner/kde-four-live/
and if you don't mind running in a VM, there's the always more up-to-date KDE4Daily, which has tons of apps included and rarely lags more than 24 hours behind KDE trunk:
http://etotheipiplusone.com/kde4daily/docs/kde4dai ...
The Krush initiative is mostly active on weekends, but runs all week:
http://techbase.kde.org/Contribute/Bugsquad/KrushD ...
and there's good old-fashioned b.k.o, which needs an account to add to but which is a bit more orderly:
http://bugs.kde.org/ - mozzep, on 12/12/2007, -1/+33this is a technology website, we care about release candidates. especially of something as widely used as KDE.
- MrSpontaneous, on 12/12/2007, -0/+21It's a quick access button for developers. It will be removed in the final version of 4.0.
- nayr, on 12/12/2007, -3/+17Excellent! looks promising!
Now for Kubuntu with a good theme and kde 4.0... - Vektuz, on 12/12/2007, -1/+14I listened to that show and felt it was still bogus.
Release Candidate is a very specific meaning in software development - trying to weasel it into another meaning due to circumstance is silly.
Release candidate means its ready in its entirety, and nothing besides bugfixes is still needing to be done. All features are there, all content is there, and if nothings wrong with it, your RC will become your release.
If your RC is unfinished to the point where it CANNOT be your release (assuming no bugs) then its not a release candidate, by definition! I mean, its supposed to be a release CANDIDATE. Ie, a candidate for release! If there's no possible way your RC can be released as final (assuming no bugs), then its not a RC, because it is not a possible candidate for being the release. The words are kind of self explanatory here. - bowe, on 12/12/2007, -7/+19What is the point of the wrench in the upper right corner? I keep thinking that they'll remove it, but again and again it's still there. Ugliest widget ever.
- Sairgem, on 12/12/2007, -3/+14Just like EVERY OTHER VERSION OF KDE, I'm pretty sure you'll be able to change the size of the damned bar. Think of a better insult please.
- niallabrown, on 12/12/2007, -5/+15Actually the graphics where made by a team of graphic artists who have done a great job. The few rough edges will be ironed out before release as well as the new wallpapers.
- inactive, on 12/12/2007, -1/+9http://www.kde.org/support/support.php
- mrsteveman1, on 12/12/2007, -3/+10The theme isnt the problem, nor the graphics (which are very nice)
The problem is the layout of things, rough corners, poorly thought out placement of boxes and text. This is a general problem with a lot of FOSS stuff, hopefully people will respond with suggestions to the developers or point out specific problems. - inactive, on 12/12/2007, -2/+9dude, we had 2+ years of long horns coming soon, very soon, almost here, there you go, one more month...
- Irco, on 12/12/2007, -0/+6I can see people not liking it, but I think the visual theme is not what we are all excited about (at least not me) there is, in general, a BIG improvement over KDE3. KDE is well known for being customizable (too customizable some say) and I'm sure there will be tons of skins to make it look however fits your needs. According to the developers changing the way it looks is going to be easier than ever...so I think is fair to give it some room to breath after its head comes out :)
- Vektuz, on 12/12/2007, -1/+7The guy on the radio show in question basically tried to make it sound like because it was an open source project, that "release candidate" had a different meaning. Even though it doesn't mean anything except a candidate for release, and nobody's special just because they're open source.
Hint: If your "release candidate" is not a *candidate* to become the *release* version, its not a release candidate. If you're holding a release candidate in your hands, it means that it COULD be shipped as the final product if no showstopper bugs are found in it.
Since this is obviously not the case for the KDE RC's, I guess they think that because its open source its different and they can apply different meanings to the term RC. So in the rest of the world "Release Candidate" means "a candidate to become the release version", to KDE it means "something which is almost finished but still missing features and stuffs still kinda broken that we know about" - bowe, on 12/12/2007, -0/+6yep, object sizes are very inconsistent and few things line up
- Meep3D, on 12/12/2007, -1/+7Non Feature Complete = Alpha
Feature Complete + Bugs = Beta
Finished = RC
I think they only called it a RC as it sounded snazzy and they had slipped the release date so badly they wanted to hide the fact that they are still not done. - RobotBuddha, on 12/12/2007, -0/+6God forbid anyone speak up on an issue they're unsure about and get clarification. So far nobody has been able to give justification for the naming scheme, and I'd sure like to hear that if such exists.
- jrepin, on 12/12/2007, -2/+8You might want to listen to the 68th episode of The Linux Action Show where Aaron Seigo explains why it is labeled as Release Candidate: http://www.linuxactionshow.com/?p=160
- 5lack3r, on 12/12/2007, -5/+10You are the biggest idiot I've seen on here all day. How does it feel to be a naive ignorant ass? Do you remember how man betas and RCs that MS release for Vista?? Do you see how instable and jacked that OS STILL IS? I think that MS could stand to take some serious lessons regarding system testing and stability from the Linux camp.
- grg183, on 12/12/2007, -0/+5what's wrong with those icons?
- PsychoBrat, on 12/12/2007, -0/+5Love to Fluxbox and XFCE, but buried for posting a pointless, unconstructive, OT top-level comment.
- troyunrau, on 12/12/2007, -0/+5KDE has been issuing its press releases in this fashion for ages, since we don't have a headquarters or press office, and really do exist due to the internet... Look at some of the old KDE press releases from the late 90s for examples :)
- jackkerouac, on 12/12/2007, -0/+4Okay, the GUI looks like ass.
- mikedoth, on 12/12/2007, -0/+4Looks promising.
- mastastealth, on 12/12/2007, -1/+5Boy, is it just me or is anyone else really disappointed with the new kicker (or however you call the "Start Menu bar" for KDE). I preferred the old KDE3 one to this, I always thought they just used it like that since it was incomplete. This is RC2 though and it still looks like that's what its gonna be? Hmm. I don't know, it just seems "unfinished" to me. Guess I'll have to learn to use Awn or something to replace it. :P
- Cipher054, on 12/12/2007, -1/+5please, cut that message and put on every topic/news/screenshot of kde4, cause a lot of people are worried about the task panel and this button.
- oobuntu, on 12/12/2007, -1/+4don't know about you but all the windows xp machines i try, when i move a window, it is choppy and leaves a white unrefreshed screen behind it.
- PsychoBrat, on 12/12/2007, -2/+5momsshizzle: provide a link to an official download of a PUBLICLY available RC for Vista SP1 and I'll Digg it. Oh wait, there isn't one? Good lord, how dare Digg users not digg something that DOESN'T EXIST! Clever.
- moduc, on 12/12/2007, -1/+4I forget why, but I am bias toward Gnome somehow. Because of that, I started using Gnome along time ago, and then one day, I switched to KDE. I didn't switch back. Once awhile, I switch back to see if I can use it (partly of curiosity, and partly of my bias). I just can't. Even just last week, I did the same thing, just to switch back to KDE. Gnome's window bar looks almost like MacOS 7. Other than the look, I didn't find the configuration GUI to be that good. The only thing I found to be better than my KDE setu p is that I could set the resolution use the GUI, but not on my KDE, it says "Your X server is using the RandR extension at version 1.2 or greater which doesn't have any configuration yet."
However, interestingly, there's an icon for me to change the resolution on the task bar of KDE. But, everytime I logout and log back in, I have to do set it again. Stranger even, everything else is save (such as which folder is opened). However, with Gnome, it saves one time, and now, even I close all the folders, login again ,and I have to close them back again. There has to be an option somewhere to control this. - Meep3D, on 12/12/2007, -6/+9It's visually unbalanced, has no consistent look or theme, very little attention has been paid to sizing, spacing and whitspace. It's garish, the colours are poorly chosen and clash and overall it's a mix of many different styles and looks.
The key to good graphic design is consistency. If I welded the front of a mini metro to the back of a dodge viper the result would look like ass irrespective of the quality of both original designs. It lacks the quality and polish that you expect from a professional product and the only reason people are defending it is because it's FOSS. If MS released something like this everyone would declare (rightfully) it looks like crap.
FWIW I think Vista is overdone, but at least consistant. I really like OSX, Luna only looks good in silver, and Windows MCE looks good (not great but not horrible). Linux in general always seems to look crap. - phinn, on 12/12/2007, -0/+3You can download the Kubuntu Live CD on this site:
http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc2.php
Which you can just run to play with it (and install it if you want)
It's pretty nice and feels decently polished. One thing I've always felt about KDE over Gnome is the GUI feels smoother and faster, for example drag a window in Gnome and it refreshes really choppy, KDE is nice and smooth like (gasp) Windows.
Looking forward to KDE4 and especially the next Kubuntu with it running as default. - Megatog615, on 12/12/2007, -3/+6No, you're just overly critical.
- mrsteveman1, on 12/12/2007, -2/+4The split is really between feature completion. If the features aren't all in, it's still just a beta.
- andycr512, on 12/12/2007, -0/+2Has to be a driver issue. My windows have always moved smoothly.
- Meep3D, on 12/12/2007, -6/+8You're not allowed to criticise FOSS - didn't you get the memo. Anyone who doesn't think its perfect is obviously a troll and their opinion has no worth. It's a free exchange of code, not ideas!
- PsychoBrat, on 12/12/2007, -0/+2Can someone confirm this? I know some modern look and feel/layout systems allow styles to specify default spacing for widgets, and applications are expected to inherit the default spacing unless they have a damn good reason not to. Are Qt/KDE styles really not like this?
- Meep3D, on 12/12/2007, -4/+6As in the AA meetings, the first step to dealing with a problem is to admit to its existence. That is the hurdle. Anyone who responds with critical suggestions generally just gets branded a troll and told to f**k off. That's the real issue.
- NJHewitt, on 12/12/2007, -1/+3Yes they will. Practically everything will be skinnable with a CSS-like themer. Look up QSS.
- triphop, on 12/12/2007, -6/+8Its you.
- kreneskyp, on 12/12/2007, -0/+2It will improve with time and more themes will be added. Many of the features weren't in a state where any serious effort could be put into a theme until very recently. You're absolutely right that we are lenient because it is FOSS. It will be worked on and improved over time and you won't have to pay for those changes.
ps. I've used a very custom theme on nearly every desktop ive setup so who really cares about the defaults - Phlosten, on 12/13/2007, -0/+1Release Candidate?! I just installed the RC2 and I must say it is horrific. The UI is horrible and unbalanced, nothing seems to work well. The windows are really jumpy when resizing. Takes longer to load than KDE 3. The menu is horrible. The widget thing in the upper right is flawed. The desktop wallpaper chooser doesn't work.
There is no way I would show a machine running this to anyone I wanted to convince to move to Linux. I can't help but think they are setting themselves up for massive failure. There is an awfully large amount of 'unfinished' look about it at the moment. Maybe the KDE developers can work some major magic, but so far it is only convincing me to stay away from it. - DeviateSeptum, on 12/12/2007, -1/+2Considering how much SVG went into KDE4, the "bar is too big" comment is kind of ironic.
- potterboy, on 01/04/2008, -0/+1get a better graphics card.
- NJHewitt, on 12/12/2007, -3/+4KDE3?
- momsshizzle, on 12/12/2007, -2/+3http://download.microsoft.com/download/f/0/d/f0d0f ...
http://download.microsoft.com/download/0/2/f/02f3a ...
Owned bitch. - Darkhacker, on 12/13/2007, -0/+1Agreed. The taskbar itself looks nice but the kicker menu is just terrible.
- inactive, on 12/18/2007, -0/+1Each to their own .. I use KDE 3.5 daily, I have tried Gnome, I think it looks great, but is otherwise less configurable, tweakable (is that a word!) or customizable than KDE. I won't however use 4 until it is stable, I consider myself much more of a Linux user .. than developer!
- Darkhacker, on 12/13/2007, -0/+1The reason KDE 4 sucks despite being a release candidate is because 4.0 is not designed to be used as an everyday desktop yet. It's been a while since the 3.5 release and the main purpose of KDE 4.0 is for a *stable platform* for developers, not necessarily a stable desktop for usage. Personally, I would have just kept it beta and make 4.0 usable, but the KDE team decided that the point zero release would represent a stable platform while 4.1 and later releases would be designed for usability and general usage.
- Dmitrik, on 12/14/2007, -0/+1Meep3D finally got it, thank God!
Seriously, stop crying you're getting burried. - Darkhacker, on 12/13/2007, -0/+1Actually KDE 3.5 out performs GNOME and 4.0 is shown to be even faster. It's mainly due to the toolkits they use. Qt is lightning fast while GTK+ is slow, complex, and doesn't receive as much attention.
- PsychoBrat, on 12/13/2007, -0/+1An article actually discussing the changes would be worthy of a digg. Funnily enough, I did digg the one informative article I saw about it.
However, I can admit I worded my request pretty poorly so... +1 to you. -
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