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- DontThinkSo, on 07/06/2008, -1/+41Kube?
- dualscreenman, on 07/06/2008, -0/+22Who says the guy who coded this knew how to make/improve wireless drivers? Developers aren't *that* fungible of an asset. Do you think a guy that can code high-level 3D stuff can just go off and pull an improved wireless driver out of his ass? Attacking a feature because someone wanted to (and did) implement it is asinine.
- geoken, on 07/06/2008, -0/+17It's nvidia's fault because there are several xRender features they don't support (in their driver) and KDE4 makes heavy use of these features (in the past they weren't that widely implemented and their impact on speed was virtually unoticable in many cases)
- kwilliam, on 07/06/2008, -2/+17What version of KDE 4.x were you using? I have an Nvidia card, and 4.0 was impossibly slow and jerky, but at some point along the 4.1 alphas, it suddenly became fast (30-50 fps with wobbly windows, transparency, minimize animations, etc.) I'm unsure whether it was an update to the KDE code or a kernel update that fixed the rendering speed.
And I am indeed angry that I when I bought my laptop, I chose to "upgrade" the graphics card from an Intel to an Nvidia, not knowing the pain Nvidia would cause later on because they WON'T OPEN THEIR SPECS! - geoken, on 07/06/2008, -2/+16I know a lot of people slam KDE for re-inventing the wheel with their desktop effects, but I personally think they've done a lot more than compiz. For example, I was glad to see that plugins were able to get live thumbnails of minimized windows. The fact that this was dropped when beryl and compiz merged (because it was deemed a ugly hack) made almost all the window switching utilities useless for me. I don't want to have my desktop cluttered with 10 unminimized windows but taskbar thumnails, scale plugin, etc. required me to do this if I wanted to use those features.
- frazw, on 07/06/2008, -0/+11Why exactly do you anti linux guys feel the need to attack all the time. You don't like it. Fine I get that. What I don't get is your motivation for needing to tell others. It's almost like you are scared that if you don't say it Linux might become popular. Same goes for anti MS and anti Apple crowd.
It's bizarre, unhelpful, and a waste of your and our time. - PFS1, on 07/06/2008, -0/+10Sweet deal. Once the background containment regains support for individual wallpapers per desktop, this is going to rock. I like compiz as much as the next guy and would love to use it on a regular basis; but, to me it's unusable so long as the cube (or any workspace plugin you use) is recognized by KDE as one big desktop with four parts, rather than a number of regular desktops that play nice with the pager, KDE desktop settings, and the wallpapers. A different background per desktop for purposes of differentiation is absolutely key. Getting the cube effect in kwin4 will be the best of both worlds.
Full disclosure: I know that there is a modified pager applet for KDE 3.5 that will work with compiz, and I know that you can get different desktops on the compiz cube by disabling the desktop from drawing, but those are hacks that only gloss over the underlying functional problem. - dualscreenman, on 07/06/2008, -0/+9Nope, there has not been a cube plugin in KDE4. You must have been using Compiz.
- dualscreenman, on 07/06/2008, -1/+9People realized more space was nice.
- dualscreenman, on 07/06/2008, -0/+7See also: Plasma.
I also think feature parity with Compiz would be a good enough reason to have this feature.
In addition, the dudes doing work on KWin effects aren't necessarily the same guys working on other things. If I recall correctly a student coded this for his Google Summer of Code project. - LinuxGalore, on 07/07/2008, -0/+7I like how the KDE people have integrated desktop effects into the windows manager rather than running it as a separate application COUGH Gnome COUGH thus increasing "breakage".
- sirbeta, on 07/06/2008, -3/+10To be honest, my only beef with all these "spinning cube" or similar desktop switching systems that have cropped up that keep popping up is the massive double standard everyone pushes against Microsoft for "useless eye candy", and then turn around and make this sort of stuff for Linux--meanwhile seemingly have everyone dropping their jaw in awe like it's the next best thing since sliced bread.
That said, it is sort of neat. I do like the transparency so you can see the other desktops behind the current cube face. - alperea, on 07/06/2008, -4/+11It'll help you get laid the next time a girl uses your computer.
- neonoodle, on 07/06/2008, -2/+9maybe you should get your wireless hardware manufacturer to release open source drivers? You're not complaining to Microsoft for not making drivers for every hardware device, so how can Linux programmers be expected to do the same?
- Atomic1fire, on 07/07/2008, -0/+6Drivers are the responsibility of the businesses who make the hardware
any linux drivers are usually just reversed engineered (by someone else) or provided by the business
and while the majority of drivers are released for windows there is no point in complaining about it
want linux? buy some hardware compatible with it or find a driver.
While you may hate the idea its either that or sending it up to the company management that you want Linux drivers
Windows has its shortcomings. but no one is forcing you to use Linux and its not a horrible os anyway but everyone has a different experience so you cant expect everyone to agree with you - webmathwiz1, on 07/07/2008, -0/+5That is just the default KDE 4.1 panel resized a bit.
- gab1to, on 07/06/2008, -5/+10For me Kwin effects is very slow with NVidia, but in Intel is completely fast.
Shame Nvidia por that, but I know that KDE developeres will make this faster. - atlquaker, on 07/06/2008, -0/+5looks really cool, but how does it help me?
- thecheatah, on 07/07/2008, -1/+6Its a desktop recorder, dumb ass. Maybe the recorder just happens to be recording at a slower fps.
- CCUboogernjit, on 07/06/2008, -0/+5and a mac is revolutionary how? To me it just seems like a stable PC.
- google01103, on 07/06/2008, -0/+5the stated goal for 4.1 is this July - hey that's this month
- ivanfan12345, on 07/06/2008, -5/+9Now i can hide my porn
- Tomholius, on 07/07/2008, -1/+4i dont get it, compiz could already do that 2 years ago. Why is he being dugg down? and why is this story being dugg up?
- webmathwiz1, on 07/07/2008, -0/+3Note: hired by google
- ileftfark, on 07/06/2008, -2/+5If it takes you 5 hours to compile a driver, try turning your helmet the other way around.
- wiresjr, on 07/07/2008, -0/+3Thanks. I've been looking for my crazy everywhere.
- bangmalley, on 08/30/2008, -0/+3compiz fusion has the live thumbnail plugin.
- wiresjr, on 07/07/2008, -1/+4He clicked Apply then OK. Why do people do that? Don't they know they're doing it wrong?
- dualscreenman, on 07/06/2008, -0/+3You'll have to wait until a 4.2 pre-release, since it's waay past the feature freeze for 4.1. Alternatively you could compile KDE for yourself.
- CCUboogernjit, on 07/06/2008, -0/+3He I recently compiled Gentoo from scratch. I was wondering if anyone knew of some type of time frame that a stable version of KDE4 is going to come out. On the Gentoo site it said that you only install KDE4 if you are very brave because it is still in beta form. Im thinking of just leaving my Gentoo box until a stable version of KDE4 comes out. Im kind of sick and tired of Gnome from using Fedora and Ubuntu alot. Do the KDE Developers give a general time line or is it just "When its done"?
- klitzbtc, on 07/07/2008, -0/+3Or you could always use both. Just have to set the install_dir correctly so it doesn't overwrite your old files, it's not too complicated, there's a bunch of nice guides online.
- pudly, on 07/07/2008, -0/+3anyone know what dock that is at the bottom ?
- MattBD, on 07/07/2008, -0/+2That's just the default KDE4 panel. I've not used KDE4 much as I'm sticking with KDE3.5 in Kubuntu till Intrepid Ibex is released, but I think you can resize it to cover only part of the screen (you certainly can in KDE3.5).
- jay019, on 07/07/2008, -0/+2Try watching your Sony Bravia TV without linux. Oh wait, you cant. I'll bet you that without linux your router would just be a pile of useless plastic. Linux is good for way more than just servers. Even Joe User wouldnt have a clue how much he uses linux in day to day life.
- shaunhey, on 07/07/2008, -0/+2Mac is far from revolutionary -- that was my point. Until something comes around that just outright changes the game -- what is the point? It's eye candy, nothing more.
- MattBD, on 07/07/2008, -0/+2Actually, I think there are some Linux distros that are doing just that. gOS is a good example in that it integrates web apps tightly into the desktop. Also, check out SymphonyOS for a distro that takes a wildly different approach to the desktop.
Many of the most revolutionary ideas in desktops are coming in Linux distros because it's so much more flexible than Windows or a Mac, so it makes it a lot easier to experiment. After all, it's a lot easier to create a new window manager for the X window server than to write a new OS. - IvanB, on 07/06/2008, -0/+2So how do I get this running?
- bratterscain, on 07/06/2008, -0/+2Do you know how many equatable quotes there are in the past involving technology that is dominating now and slow to pick up?
- ileftfark, on 07/06/2008, -0/+2You could say the same thing about any OS. What kind of "revolutionary" change are you speaking of?
- shaunhey, on 07/07/2008, -0/+2I'm not sure that I know to be honest. I don't think I have what it takes to come up with the next computer interface, but I do know that we've just about outgrown the old desktop/document/windows paradigm.
- beatryder, on 07/06/2008, -0/+2Just use KDE3.5 for now.
- LinuxGalore, on 07/07/2008, -1/+3Yeah like compiz reimplementing the 8 year old 3DDesktop code that allowed users 8!! years ago to have the cube effect. Compiz in reality is also a reimplementation of many effects created prior to it. Also compiz "is not a windows manager" were kwin is, so you dont have two separate projects (Compiz+Window Manager) running two programs on your desktop to get effects (and lots of random breakage).
- ren1999, on 07/07/2008, -2/+4I tried this but feel that it adds no functionality. Nor do I use multiple desktops. I also have KDE4 installed and continue to update it. I still can't do basic things like move the icons on the panel. I like my KDE3.5.
- Sunsneezer, on 07/07/2008, -3/+5Transparency makes graphics harder to see and perspective makes text a chore to read. Combining both is hardly a leap in usability.
- neil1492, on 07/07/2008, -0/+2I didn't like KDE when I first tried it. I might give it a whirl again.
- danwallace, on 07/07/2008, -0/+2I dunno... Ubuntu works just fine for me. I deleted my windows partition after a week of use. Mind you, the only game I play is TF2, which works just fine under Cedega.
- garreh, on 07/07/2008, -0/+2no nongeek will be able to hack the portal that is multiple desktops! mwuahhaha!
- carbon12, on 07/07/2008, -0/+2http://aikurn.wordpress.com/2008/07/05/its-confirm ...
- idntunknwn, on 07/07/2008, -0/+2Ugh, scrollbars on the desktop. I know you can get rid of them by resizing widgets, but I don't understand how anybody could stand them at all.
- yetAnotherCroc, on 07/07/2008, -1/+3Well mostly because the eye candy in Vista is mostly useless. The 3D Shift switcher must be the most ill concieved task switcher ever created. On my vista laptop I can barely see what is in the windows and it takes me just as much time to shift to the one I want as Alt+F2 does. Exposé on mac or Scale in Compiz are much faster because they let you see all the windows immediately. And not half covering eachother at an awkward and poorly rendered angle. Not to mention that the other eyecandy in Vista hogs way too many resources and are inconsistent.
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