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- ggarron, on 12/04/2007, -3/+26KDE really looks great, I was once a KDE user now I am mostly Gnome user, but with all those new features (composite with no compiz),.. mmh I will have to think about switching back to KDE. :)
- m0zzie, on 12/04/2007, -0/+21Site is becoming increasingly slower.. here's direct video link incase it dies: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3441246989 ...
- sirhomer, on 12/04/2007, -1/+20I've never had performance problems with Compiz Fusion, I hope you are not basing that judgment on the video quality. :
- inactive, on 12/04/2007, -0/+18I've run but Aero (windows vista) and Compiz Fusion (linux) on my systems, and it is the linux compositing that I find to be more snappy and feature filled.
- ptFoe, on 12/04/2007, -2/+16I can't wait to switch too., Gnome has become so backward. They don't even support the mouse scroll wheel properly with an option to set the number of lines scrolled. Or even different wallpapers for the workspaces.
KDE4 for has a much cleaner and neater interface than KD3. - Ademan, on 12/04/2007, -0/+13I just missed the edit cutoff, but i wanted to note it appears I was mistaken, this DOES have something new to offer, better compatibility with KDE, so that's good, new, and more than enough to justify the project.
- Waterrat, on 12/04/2007, -3/+15 Yeah,well having used both,I confess to preferring KDE..
And this looks like it wil be quite a nice release. - sepelester, on 12/04/2007, -0/+11it's the video capture that's slow
- HerbertScrunge, on 12/04/2007, -1/+10Yeah, it needs a lot of work in the core part of it. The architecture is typically sound, though, so hopefully, with a lot of end user-testing, the performance issues can be eradicated.
Considering what a headstart Compiz-Fusion has on it, in terms of time, man-power and testing, I think it's doing quite well so far :) - Optimaximal, on 12/04/2007, -0/+8Eye candy sells... Would Mac OSX be half the OS it is now if the design of the OS didn't match the design of hardware? Yes, it has a good backend to it with its Unix core, but the unwashed masses only understand the funky animations and glass buttons, not sudo...
- amfantasy, on 12/04/2007, -1/+9the comments say that all the animations are smooth, and looking good. It's more at a Mac OS X and vista level not a Compiz (insane) level.
- fatejudger, on 12/04/2007, -0/+8I've been a Gnomer for the pas year or so, but have always preferred KDE's applications due to their feature rich quality and stability. If KDE 4 lives up to its expectations, I could see myself switching sides once again.
- Ademan, on 12/04/2007, -1/+9I'm all for choice, and I do welcome this as an alternative, but i more like to see competition when one has a distinct advantage over another and vice versa. In this case the advantage to using this version of KWin over compiz-fusion isn't apparent, it seems to support a small subset of compiz-fusion's functions and bring nothing NEW to the table (that's really the part that gets me), not to mention it's a far less mature code base (yeah yeah, kwin, but this part of kwin is relatively new). I hope more comes of this, but at the moment i just don't see the point.
- HerbertScrunge, on 12/04/2007, -0/+7Also, if your computer doesn't support Composite, then you still just use KWin - you don't have to learn the shortcuts and quirks of a new window manager.
- apokryphos, on 12/04/2007, -1/+8Just to clarify again: all the effects were perfectly smooth on my computer, and quite pleasant. It was the video recording software that slowed the effects down (being intensive, as they are) and made the effects look dodgy. Under normal computing conditions and all other tasks the effects are, like I said, perfectly smooth.
- kingofpenguins, on 12/04/2007, -1/+8It's great to hear that you may be moving back to KDE, but there really should be more that you look at besides just the window manager. Compiz is cool, but after a while it gets tiring. I actually turned mine off.
When picking a desktop environment, especially the big "KDE vs. Gnome" question, look at the applications that you actually plan on using, not if you can show you friends how "OOHhh Shiny!" it is.
Remember, a computer is just a tool. - ommadawn, on 12/04/2007, -0/+6Note that recording your desktop usually uses up most of your resources, video card for the most part.
- DeviateSeptum, on 12/04/2007, -0/+6Compiz-fusion exceeded my expectations for it. I can't wait until it's polished to a shine. The big problem with KDE and Compiz-Fusion is the kpanel gets confused by how CF handles desktops. CF also needs to clear up some of the obvious design problems still existing because of the merger.
- fatejudger, on 12/04/2007, -0/+5I myself have a P4 2.6 Ghz PC with about 1.25 GB of RAM that runs Vista's Aero effects just marginally at my 1920x1200 resolution. Compiz fusion, on the other hand, runs beautifully and without any hitches.
- Purin, on 12/04/2007, -0/+5I am honestly really impressed at what the KDE4 team is doing with what looks to be the most impressive desktop environment I will ever use.
The desktop effects aren't quite as flashy as something you'd find in Compiz Fusion, but they seem to be fitting for what they're aiming for. - arjie, on 12/04/2007, -0/+4Fair enough. I suppose you want to be really frugal with your space you have to worry.
However, I just attempted to install Adept (A KDE package) on my stock Ubuntu install and all the kdelibs and adept-libs all came up together to 70-80MB. That's not too bad by my standards (I mean, it's 3GB a dollar these days) so I thought it's a reasonable argument. - dualscreenman, on 12/04/2007, -0/+4If you're talking about speed, you should really RTFA. The video capture software was the culprit.
Keep in mind that the Kwin 4 team is much smaller than the Compiz team, and the Kwin team is doing an admirable job despite Compiz's head start. - aaronm67, on 12/04/2007, -0/+4That is really annoying...but there are fixes.
taskbar-compiz (taskbar only shows windows on current desktop)
http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/taskbar-c ...
kicker-compiz (fixes desktop pager)
http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=4 ...
To make these work corrently, you should have Compiz loading before kicker loads. If your distro is loading compiz after your desktop loads, post again, it's pretty straight forward to fix. - rotten777, on 12/04/2007, -0/+4Not only does it sell, but it makes the product look more polished. I mean if I have to sit at a computer 12 hours a day, I want it to be pleasing to my eyes.
- desistere, on 12/04/2007, -4/+8When I see these types of desktop effects, I always ask why instead of what. I think it is very neat that kde4 can do these things, but developing most of these things does not have a practical use for users. It's important for linux distributions to develop a desktop environment that is aesthetically pleasing, but it is even more important that new features provide more power to users to do computing tasks with their computers. Most of this is eyecandy. I look forward to seeing more of the innovative things that will change the way we use linux, not simply what can be done. A lot can be done and a lot is possible. This is a good example of those things, but maybe not a great example of how kde4 can change the way we use linux.
- CptnObvious, on 12/04/2007, -0/+4Site is down for me, so...
http://duggmirror.com/linux_unix/KDE4_Desktop_Effe ... - blog post
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3441246989 ... - direct link to video - CircleFusion, on 12/05/2007, -0/+3I've read this comment often with the topic of desktop effects. I understand what you are saying, but consider that making an interface engaging is in itself a practical use.
I consider some of these effects less like eyecandy and more like braincandy. Take, for instance, the rotating 3D box showing the different desktops. That helps many people more easily visualize multiple workspaces.
Also, we don't know where this development could lead. These effects could inspire more innovative (and practical) interface features in the future. I hope people continue to create more effects like these. - monkeestylee, on 12/04/2007, -0/+2obvious progress for kde, but the explosions looked a little weird to me
- cduquette, on 12/04/2007, -0/+2I'm on a 4 year old laptop running at 1600x1200 and things are fine here. Make sure you have the latest drivers for your card and if you're using AIGLX give XGL a try. For my card (Geforce FX 5200Go) XGL gives significantly better performance.
- ertz, on 12/04/2007, -0/+2you traitor! ... heh j/k
- burty89, on 12/04/2007, -1/+3That would be terrible, purely because then both projects would have to implement a feature at once. If one project decided a feature was a bad idea, then the other project couldn't do it either, both projects would become the same & there'd be no point to keeping both around.
It'd be like if Linus had decided to use the windows APIs because lots of software already used them, instead of Linux having its own. Everybody loses. - deadlyfluvirus, on 12/04/2007, -0/+2I used to like KDE, but stick with Gnome or XFCE. I don't like Gnome as much as I don't like KDE, both are hideous in my opinion :) Really wish a third project would start up with something revolutionary, but oh well.
- arjie, on 12/04/2007, -1/+3Well, you can run KDE applications on GNOME and vice versa, so that point is moot. In fact, I prefer using a GNOME desktop, even though I love Konqueror and even though kioslaves make my life so much easier. The overhead's not that bad. You can even run kompmgr on a P4 like that :)
I have tried KDE and even preferred it in the past, but now I use GNOME. For me atleast, it just feels more comfortable and well rounded though I hate that some options disappear into the unknown and you can't change them. Basically, if you find yourself using gconf-editor lots or if you can't find some option which you think is essential to your experience then don't use GNOME. - geoken, on 12/04/2007, -0/+2Why wouldn't they just modify Compiz? Now we have resources going in to to parrellel projects, when we could have just made changes to the main project.
As for the shortcuts, every shorcut and all the 'quirks' in compiz are user settable. Was it really easier for them to create their own version than simply making a pre-configured settings file where all the compiz settings matched the kwin settings? - arjie, on 12/04/2007, -0/+2You might want to look into the gtk-qt-curve themes. I don't remember exactly what they're called.
- TheAttacks, on 12/05/2007, -0/+2I didn't say it was "slow" nor did I ever say Vista's Aero ran smoother.
- inactive, on 12/04/2007, -0/+2I can run Compiz on my Geforce2 MX200. Try to run Aero on that piece of hardware and then get back to me.
- burty89, on 12/04/2007, -0/+2So? Some people like effects.
- Cipher054, on 12/04/2007, -0/+1maybe compiz reinvented the wheel first ;)
- SteveMax, on 12/04/2007, -1/+2It's RAM and not HD that you should be worrying about. GTK and QT do basically the "same" thing, so you don't want both loaded at the same time if you can avoid it. Try to keep a Gnome-only desktop running for some time; then open Konqueror and see the amount of RAM it will use. Do the same on a KDE-only desktop, and see what happens. Now try opening the Gimp on both DEs.
You shouldn't stop using the Gimp just because you're under KDE, but check your KDE-based options. Same for amaroK/k3b under Gnome. If the options fit your usage better than (or as well as) the applications for the other DE, switch applications; you will see that your desktop will be more responsive. - Endemoniada, on 12/04/2007, -1/+2This argument always comes up, but is not 100% true. While yes, you CAN use Gnome apps in KDE, and vice versa, you still need to install a whole new set of libraries just for those applications. It's not a whole other DE, but it's quite a heavy bunch of libs wasting space on your harddrive for you to be able to run programs from both DEs.
- Cipher054, on 12/06/2007, -0/+1thing like these make me prefer the kde wm, and not the other wm(like compiz).
- Philluminati, on 12/04/2007, -3/+4I didn't think those effects looked at polished as the compiz versions of similar features. I hope it was just bad video.
- Bread, on 12/05/2007, -0/+1Not sure I'm overly keen on the composite effects effecting the kmenu, that would drive me nuts.
- ioannusdeverani, on 12/04/2007, -0/+1I need to use compiz, because without it, my linux performance is pretty bad. The accelerated graphics really speed things up for me.
- ioannusdeverani, on 12/04/2007, -0/+1I would love to see something happen with GNUStep, but not much is going on there...
- Lounger540, on 12/04/2007, -1/+2Sounds like you want Enlightenment. Too bad it's been taking years for a stable release of e17.
- Lazaryn, on 12/05/2007, -0/+1They tried to modify the main project first but since Compiz was based on a completely different set of libraries it did not go well. It was decided that it would be easier just to reconstruct the needed features into KWin instead of doing a full integration.
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