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- Hermiod, on 10/10/2007, -5/+129Whoever wrote the title for this story obviously doesn't understand what the word irony means.
- NeoRicen, on 10/10/2007, -2/+83I don't see how this is Ironic...
- Retnuh730, on 10/10/2007, -13/+58Linux didn't get anything yet, it's a preview. The leopard beta out now has the stacks features, so this title's null and void.
- whistlerpro, on 10/10/2007, -3/+43Technically Leopard has had stacks since WWDC. The title is wrong. Leopard has stacks.
- Meep3D, on 10/10/2007, -10/+48So a Linux developer copies a OSX (It's already made - thats why it got copied) feature, puts out a beta and suddenly Linux is 'out innovating' OSX?
I'd put a substantial amount of money on the fact that the Linux version will be buggy, hard to install and poorly implemented to the point where any usefulness is subsequently lost. I'd also bet that when the OSX version comes out it will be well written, well tested and implemented in an intelligent and useful way.
It's not ironic. It's lame at best. - moracity, on 10/10/2007, -1/+35How is this ironic? Did you go to the Alanis Morissette School of Irony?
- drlha, on 10/10/2007, -13/+46Another thread where Linux fanboys masterbate to stuff that's ripped off from Mac OS X, rather than actually creating anything original. Newsflash: Its not ironic, Leopard had it first (just because its not out, doesn't mean some Linux beta software beat it), oh and this comment is going to get dugg down.
- Auzy, on 10/10/2007, -17/+48yeah, a work in progress. Leopard beta with stacks was released earlier. Work in progress is really the same as saying "BETA"
So no, its still behind OSX. Dugg down. Sick of seeing misleading diggs getting dugg up. Its like saying that Apple is losing market share to linux (note using linux in a generic manner) because barely anyone is using the Leopard beta.
So sir, I think you need to get your head out of the gutter, and get a clue about what you are talking about, because thus far, Stacks in leopard is probably still more stable... Also, I bet the implementation is half arsed too, because there are many features tied into stacks that you wont pick up from the wwdc video... - MNiT, on 10/10/2007, -6/+31When MS or Apple do it its called copying, when Linux does it its called ironic... go figure.
- vulapine, on 10/10/2007, -2/+27You mean some group involved with computers actually took an existing concept that was demonstrated and, get this, applied it in a nearly identical circumstance?
That's amazing! - karrock, on 10/10/2007, -9/+32That's not irony -- it's just Linux code-monkeys working in overdrive to copy a cool OS feature that doesn't already exist.
- mournsanity, on 10/10/2007, -14/+36Oh, and if you know how to code, pitch in and help these guys out! AWN is a cool project, and now its on lauchpad:
https://launchpad.net/awn - bstock, on 10/10/2007, -3/+24I have mirrored the video here: http://www.bradleystock.com/files/public/vid/awn_stack.mpg
- Easty, on 10/10/2007, -7/+26Woah. It's, like, ten thousand spoons, man.
- ThinkBox, on 10/10/2007, -2/+18I hope you'd use a better title.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony
guys, please, Irony? - sutabi, on 10/10/2007, -1/+17yeah... Gnome has something called a Drawer... its not as intuitive but its been there. Drag and Drop for shortcuts
- rebotfc, on 10/10/2007, -4/+20Been using stacks in leopard for weeks.
- MacParrot, on 10/10/2007, -4/+18And MS and Linux borrowed GUI elements from Apple. Which in turn borrowed from Xerox. Get over it.
- chukd, on 10/10/2007, -7/+20I am tired of the misleading, sensational titles in digg. can you people be more dramatic. first who cares who has it first. second, it isn't an irony. third, technically since apple released its beta first, apple beat linux. forth, WHO CARES.
- Retnuh730, on 10/10/2007, -1/+13Remind me again how this is before leopard? The version of leopard out now has had it since June.
- littleodie914, on 10/10/2007, -3/+14That's one of the nice things about Linux and other open source OS's. Any time a new feature is announced by one of the big guns, Apple or MS, they instantly have hundreds or even thousands of volunteer programmers willing to write it into the OS.
As long as Apple and MS keep innovating new features, Linux will continue to share in their functionality. (This is not to say that Linux doesn't have its own share of niceties, however.) - Noah0504, on 10/10/2007, -4/+15Maybe that's the irony.
- denairco, on 10/10/2007, -1/+12digg parent up.
I love gnu/linux and the open-source model as much as the next digger, but the disproportionate pride many programmers take in copying features and then "giving it away for free" just gets annoying after a while, and this article is a perfect example. Programming this "stacks" thing really isn't the difficult part, choosing to do it and getting the details right is where the difficulty lies. There's nothing technically complicated about this feature, so Linux could have independently come up with it as far back as, say, 1995 or so. The fact that they choose to implement this feature a few months after Apple showcased it is sad proof that the open-source community still tends to find its inspiration in the very companies it claims to despise. OpenOffice especially has a tendency to take pride in having copied all of MS Office 1995's features and somehow considers this a great achievement.
Meh. - Auzy, on 10/10/2007, -3/+13The funny part is that you are saying the average user can use this? Have you actually tried to get this working?
- the6thReplicant, on 10/10/2007, -0/+10??? to the right of the separator bar..yes..or is my Applications folder that's in my doc a figment of my imagination?
Or am I misunderstanding what you're saying. (aloud = allow??) - gllopc, on 10/10/2007, -3/+13I thought Apple bought NeXT, and then used their dock? If that's the case, then Apple owns that doc; which definitely isn't copying.
- brickbat, on 10/10/2007, -0/+10dude, thats an overstatement. I don't know one project with thousands of programmers working on it at once. Some really big projects have surprisingly few...like OpenOffice. I guess if you count firefox extensions and themes then that would be a lot.
- MacParrot, on 10/10/2007, -2/+11Well since the author admits it's a work in progress and not ready for prime time, how is that different than the beta release that thousands have been using in various OS X 10.5 pre-releases? If something has been demonstrated in software and it works as shown, you can't really claim that someone else showing a version of the same thing in different software later got there first.
Microsoft, Apple, Linux distros. They all copy good design from each other. Can we get over this we did it first nonsense? Does it really matter as long as it doesn't go to court? - serpicolugnut, on 10/10/2007, -6/+15Windows 95 ripped off their taskbar from NeXT.
So, NEXT! - Easty, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8He would have, but while he was on his way to enrol there was a traffic jam.
- dancallahan, on 10/10/2007, -1/+9You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
- ElectricKetchup, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7Linux isn't doing this; it's a window manager. There's a big difference between an OS kernel and a window manager for a windowing system.
- mccarron, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7You may be confusing NeXT and OS2. Pretty sure NeXT didn't work with Microsoft.
- mournsanity, on 10/10/2007, -13/+20Remember guys, this is still a WORK IN PROGRESS. Don't expect much yet, but its cool to look at nonetheless.
- DarkStalker, on 10/10/2007, -2/+9Anyone else see the words "Apple" and "Stacks" close to each other and thinks of Hypercard?
- cquinnd, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7The Ribbon in Office 2007.
- modusop, on 10/10/2007, -2/+9Isn't it strange that there's a community based on copying designs from Apple? Aren't these the same people who whine every time Microsoft claims they've infringed on intellectual property rights?
- MacParrot, on 10/10/2007, -3/+9Apple has had a transparent taskbar (the Dock) for some time. Maybe you mean a transparent menubar which Apple also used and then discarded from earlier versions of OS X (though why it wasn't a good idea before but is now baffles me).
- cquinnd, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6I'm not a Mac Fanboy. But I bet I could search the web an find hundreds of projects in the "planning" or "work in progress" phase that claim to have the same features or function as some product either on the way or released from a commercial entity.
It's not a duplicate of a "Leopard" feature, because the idea of "stacks" is not unique to the Apple. And the reaction you are seeing should have been expected from reading the flamebait in the digg title.
Saying "Hey look, this Linux project is trying to build something like stacks, cool!", would probably have gotten a more even response. - JohnnyXmas, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7How the hell is this an irony? I mean, even by the "commonly used" WRONG definition of irony, this still doesn't fit in. Have the masses (read: them asses) invented yet another definition?
- timusca, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7BTW, rain on your wedding day is NOT IRONIC! It just sucks...
Now, had you travelled to the desert to avoid rain because you live in Seattle and then it rains in the desert and NOT in Seattle... that would be ironic. And it would suck. - Kelmon, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6As much as I do agree that this not a "Linux does it first" story, I also highly doubt that Apple is shipping source code in Leopard the developer could copy. I'm pretty sure the concepts have been borrowed but the code will be custom.
- cquilliam, on 10/10/2007, -3/+9Did the people who created this project said that they had it first? Just because one person posts it to dig, doesn't speak for the project.
Relax, you're still "cool" cause you use a mac. Don't worry. - noverflow, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5No. Unless looking glass was developed before 1989. I could be wrong, but I dont think it did. 89 is when nextstep was released with the dock.
- antitab, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5Err... nevermind... apparently it's MPEG-4 video embedded in an MPEG-1 Systems stream? Why in the hell would anyone do that?
- razmech, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6If you are also having trouble playing the video, download it and play it in VLC.
- dombi, on 10/10/2007, -2/+7Ok, so what?
- Micherik, on 10/10/2007, -2/+7Well, as this is work in progress, and Leopard is still work in progress, how can you say that these guys beat Apple to it?
I'm sitting here, using Stacks in Leopard.. Stacks for Leopard does exist, it is just not available to the masses yet. - OrangeTide, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5never use the phrase "Irony of ironies" again. Say "Amazing", "Shocking", or "Unexpected". The word "irony" implies a lot more than you think it does, please don't use the word any more. You will likely never bother to understand what it means, so it's best to not even try to use it.
- arjie, on 10/10/2007, -4/+9Ah ha! I was waiting to see a "Linux sucks because it copies!" post, just so I could say, "Spaces!". That's a smart one there, obviously one can do more than just work in workspaces so removing that 'work' part makes it über-innovative!
Also, I really don't care much for this so called copying that goes on. Ideas are meant to be shared. It's why mathematics is completely free. And also, you see it in every field. I mean, surely all the different companies didn't come up with airbags simultaneously. And everyone's copied from Ford when it comes down to the bottom of everything. -
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