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- truck87bp, on 05/20/2009, -8/+47I must support the Linux side of this Intel claim. Currently, I am using both Ubuntu and Win XP Pro on a desktop and the Linux is fast, hands down. Hardly use the XP side because of speed issues I have with it. Its also nice to see that Intel isn't being pushed around any longer by MS. The birth of Linux on my computer for 1 1/2 years has been an eye opener. Thats not to say that Linux doesn't have a ways to go but it does pretty much everything I need except Google Sketchup.
- gcnaddict, on 05/21/2009, -2/+28"Intel isn't being pushed around any longer by MS"
Intel has, as of late, been pushing MS around. Take a look at the Vista Capable fiasco. Most of that crap was Intel's fault; they coerced Microsoft into supporting the 945 chipset which was far too week to work with Aero.
I'd prefer not seeing Intel get into this field. They've monopolized netbooks as is with their Atom CPUs and matching chipsets (thereby locking nvidia out) and now they want to go after the OS? That's basically a stranglehold on netbooks. - inactive, on 05/21/2009, -6/+26Compared to Ubuntu, it is definitely slow. I think thats all he's saying. Its the same reason why I use Chrome over anything else these days, just because its blazing fast and it gets what I need done, done.
- inactive, on 05/21/2009, -0/+15I've gotten Google Sketchup to work on Ubuntu before. I'll see if I can find my forum thread on it.
- inactive, on 05/21/2009, -0/+15Here it is. Hope it helps!
http://www.thebestcasescenario.com/forum/showthrea ... - Mockylock, on 05/21/2009, -5/+19Lmao... indeed. How many years have we heard that? 10?
- inactive, on 05/20/2009, -8/+21 I also like it that they have got out from under Microsoft's thumb and are now doing things their way,as it should be.
After using various offshoots of Ubuntu and Debian for 4 years,Linux is the winner for me. - inactive, on 05/21/2009, -2/+15Linux could easily make a significant dent into Microsoft's OS market share. I don't think they will ever become larger than or equal to, but maybe a quarter?
Linux isn't perfected yet, it can go quite a ways still before it becomes a serious competitor. But that day will undoubtedly come. The more people who use it, the faster it will grow, which will bring even more people in, which in turn will make it grow even faster, and so on and so on. Thats how Linux works, thats how its BEEN working. Ubuntu for example is MUCH larger and much easier to use than it was a couple years ago. It gets better all the time, not worse. So, by that logic, it should be considered a serious future threat by all major OS brands that put ticket prices on their software. - inactive, on 05/21/2009, -0/+12Here is a better link. I forgot I posted in the Ubuntu forums too.
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=5116774#p ...
Cuts out all the uselessness and gets to the point. - venom8599, on 05/21/2009, -1/+13MS is less likely to adopt Linux than an alternative like one of the BSD variations--just like Apple. They'd also be able to then lock it down and keep the code proprietary--just like Apple. Don't count on them to ever embrace the GPL.
- Gee1004, on 05/21/2009, -5/+15True, but if it comes from Intel, hell I might try it
- hazello, on 05/21/2009, -3/+13The whole 'PC/Desktop Computer' paradigm is giving way to something else with the emergence of phones, netbooks and other non-standard devices that perform similar functions to desktops.
Tons of people will be using Linux in 10 years, but not really have any idea that they are using Linux. - NoNameWorks, on 05/21/2009, -1/+10I seem to recall Intel pushing Microsoft around leading to a big Vista debacle.
- bdbr, on 05/21/2009, -2/+10Its not like they're forcing you to use Moblin, or even keeping closed (its open source). And if NVidia is "locked out", how is it that the Asus N10Js have Atom and NVidia graphics?
- Swivelstick, on 05/21/2009, -1/+8"Linux will lose." however this is not a good thing for anyone.
- inactive, on 05/21/2009, -2/+9Ubuntel.
- EtherGnat, on 05/21/2009, -0/+6@bdbr
Intel charges vendors significantly more for the Atom if you don't buy the entire chipset. - inactive, on 05/21/2009, -0/+6Meh, it could use more bacon.
http://blogs.menupages.com/philadelphia/20070615ba ...
Oh hey! And there it is! This comment section is now complete. ^_^ - inactive, on 05/21/2009, -3/+9General purpose OS (definition)? Not going to happen (by who's standards)? Have you been living under a rock (what do you think I am typing with, a Toyota)?
- venom8599, on 05/21/2009, -2/+8Philosophically, when just looking at the netbook market--I'd be more likely to side with Microsoft than I would with Intel. I'm not a fan of one company providing pretty much the whole platform. (Intel Atom + Intel Chipset + Intel OS.) Reeks of potential for vendor lock-in.
- inactive, on 05/21/2009, -7/+13Have to agree. XP is slow! I use 2 pc's to get work done here. a good deal of it is Imaging and multimedia. I use Ubuntu as the master PC to control the XP slave. Both boxes are the exact same ( to assist in parts and maintenance aside from the HDD, Lin has 2 tb, XP 200gb) XP is painfully slow at most things. The thumb-nailer in Linux works on gigabyte folders in seconds. Even if all the images are 10 meg each (RAW) I still get 100+ images to thumbnail in around 4 seconds. It also remembers them for the entire session unlike XP which will re-cache them should you close the folder.
The other advantage with imaging is I can change the thumbnail size simply by scrolling the mouse wheel and I can also zoom the entire desktop when required. Even windows 7 does not do this. (the thumbs)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Gq7r5dx0Dw&fea ...
If photoshop and flash was ported to Linux, Windows would get the permanent flick from this house. (though I would still need a copy to test websites. but that is all...)
Boo Hoo Adobe! - 2caster3, on 05/21/2009, -1/+7At least there is an option for us consumers
- inactive, on 05/21/2009, -0/+5Windows 7 Starter Edition has a 3 application limit, you can have only 3 apps running at the same time.
Users that don't want that limitation will have to pay extra to upgrade to a more expensive version of Windows, or switch to the free Linux operating system.
http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/246859/windows-7-a-non ... - Swivelstick, on 05/21/2009, -4/+9Microsoft needs to get rid of the insane ideology, so it can be seen as an ethical company.
- venom8599, on 05/21/2009, -1/+6I know Intel was kind of annoyed that Microsoft supported AMD64, but they've been drifting farther apart over the last decade or two.
- shrudheuie, on 05/21/2009, -3/+8No, there will always be plenty of fish in the barrel, so to speak, for the malware authors of the world. Linux may not take a lot of desktop marketshare, at least in the near future, but I have a feeling that you will see a dramatic shift in the desktop in general, mainly driven by the presence of the Linux desktop. If nothing else, it may force MS to finally rebuild or replace windows with something a little more secure.
- silkysaul, on 05/21/2009, -12/+17XP is slow?? Give me a break.. you're doing something wrong..
- westyvw, on 05/21/2009, -1/+6Its some bizarro world where the OS that can be anything YOU want it to be, gets people hating it. Meanwhile the two other computing companies that dont give a damn about what you want do just fine and collect fan bois. I want my computer to do what I want it to do, with data in a format I want, with security I can actually check on, and supported by other people who also share those ideals.
Americans would still be English subjects if they had the same attitude about freedom in the 1700's as the people who are willing to be subjects to MS and Apple. - Sakumi, on 05/21/2009, -0/+4I just tried it on my MSI Wind. It was really nicely designed, but had some issues with network connections. It did work after a reboot, but it had trouble switching between WiFi and LAN, etc.
With the bugs worked out, its a nice OS for an internet device. I need more out of my netbook, but for someone just wanting to browse the net or check webmail, etc, then it's pretty good. - westyvw, on 05/21/2009, -0/+4LOL, thanks!
Your nonsense rant and the fact you can't even spell Bilderberg was funny.
But then the complete loss of control and the childish tirade was fantastic! You made me really chuckle!
Oh, and by the way, you still don't understand Linux. It's not Freeware. You should shut up more. - bluemist, on 05/21/2009, -4/+8Well I tried that Moblin 2.0 Beta on my UMPC with an Atom 1.33GHz CPU with Intel's own US15W (Poulsbo) chipset. Guess what, it doesn't work. The interface is unresponsive and my clicks register seconds too late. Didn't detect my wifi and bluetooth. I blame driver and chipset problems. If they want to win against Microsoft in the mainstream, they better have the out-of-the-box-experience working right.
- ChrisHB, on 05/21/2009, -5/+9What happened to the WinTel alliance?
- daftman, on 05/21/2009, -1/+5Idiot. I run skype, amarok, open office, firefox and evolution, deluge and a bunch of widgets easily on a netbook.
Maybe after your Norton anti-virus, Trend-Micro internet security, you might have one room left for your big fat windows media. - mrBitch, on 05/21/2009, -1/+4The interesting thing about Moblin is that intel has handed development over to the non-profit Linux Foundation.
When Moblin comes out of beta, you are going to see exactly how much more polished and efficient a custom built netbook targeted OS can be.
It's going to be hard for Microsoft to compete with that...
And speaking of custom building OS software for a specific hardware configuration, Apple will also need to continue to be a tough competitor in this space. - solarwind24, on 05/21/2009, -6/+9Corporate involvement in Linux; +1
- dagamer34, on 05/21/2009, -6/+9Linux as a general purpose OS is probably never going to happen. However, Linux as a backbone of embedded devices is highly likely. Linux systems that are unlikely to use the whole "desktop" metaphor are at a better advantage of succeeding. Take a look at how Linux has done in the server and mobile phone OS market. It's made serious inroads there (mainly because consumers don't have to worry about app compatibility).
Linux on the desktop is great, but there are other places it can thrive too. - 1ShotJake, on 05/21/2009, -0/+3this is the most efficient use of a comment I have ever seen
- bdbr, on 05/21/2009, -2/+5Moblin is open-source.
- infectaphibian, on 05/21/2009, -0/+3A good idea, considering that Dell just got sticker shock when they found out how much Microsoft was going to charge them for Windows 7 installs. The profit margin is very low on a netbook already.
- johndavidjack, on 05/21/2009, -0/+3Wow, that's beyond ridiculous.
- Elranzer, on 05/21/2009, -0/+3^ Is that a cross-stitch tapestry of bacon?
I really think there's nothing more you could add to this comment thread. - westyvw, on 05/21/2009, -0/+3My Vbox with Windows running under Debian runs at native speeds, if not a little better. I use it to run Visual Studio, SQL 2008, and a major vendors GIS software. Very demanding stuff. (oh and iTunes for the Ipod - damn iTunes, I hate it so much....). Do you have the hardware extensions enabled?
- theaceoffire, on 05/21/2009, -0/+2Prophetpimp is correct about this, Firefox runs faster in WINE in Ubuntu than in Ubuntu.
Source: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-569840 ...
Also, flash has been an issue for me for several releases. You know it is an issue with Adobe, because if you download the same FLV file and run it with VLC, it takes next to zero CPU to run (Instead of 100%) - NobodyWhoCares, on 05/21/2009, -0/+2XP is hardly obsolete. It's still has the largest install base of any operating system period, and it's still supported until 2014.
Plus, at least on my hardware, it's still faster than Vista or the Win7 RC. It's a healthy "mid range"; a Wolfsdale Core2Duo E8400 OC'd to 3.7GHz with 4GB of RAM. XP still consistently beats both Vista and 7 in every test I've thrown at it. The only place that Vista/7 is faster is loading software, and that's only because of SuperFetch. The OS itself isn't loading anything faster.. it's just doing it before you tell it to.
That aside, I still use XP just because I just don't like Vista or 7.. if you like Vista yes you'll love 7, but for me I can't stand it. The OS just feels like a toy/Mac knockoff. But aside from that, it just runs *everything* I throw at it. No workarounds, no driver issues, no "compatibility modes" or virtual machines.. install it and forget it. Vista/7 is definitely improving there, but still has a way to go. A choice between a pretty but semi-usable slower OS vs an plainer but rock solid and fast OS with no compatibility issues? Easy choice. - Elranzer, on 05/21/2009, -0/+2I failed to find the valuable insight.
- oobuntu, on 05/21/2009, -0/+2The moblin video on their site looks great. I can already hear the chairs flying in Redmond.
- JoeB4ever, on 05/21/2009, -0/+2I logged in just to digg you down
- wbkang, on 05/21/2009, -1/+3And never will be with that "give it another few years" attitude.
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