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- Phocion55, on 10/12/2007, -16/+44.....Yet you have MS sympathizers on Digg who insist that MS is the innocent victim of Vista FUD.
I'll agree that some Vista articles on Digg are overly exaggerated.....but THIS is despicable.
Again, only Microsoft is allowed to tell you what can and can't go on a computer that YOU yourself bought.
How can ANYONE be ok with this???? - spyrochaete, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11VMware?
- BobMysterioso, on 10/12/2007, -5/+15Its like when people call for a ban on the paparazzi. You know they are too invasive and what not. So lets say they all stopped taking pictures and invading privacy. What would happen? One really smart guy would still be doing it, be the only source of the info and be rich over night. The next morning tho, everyone would be back to their old games.
A Programming Boycott is so absurd. Maybe you are independently wealthy, don't have family or other people to support, and have no bills. Myself? I have many of those things, and while I don't have kids, I have a mortgage and car payments and a healthy bourbon / beer budget that I must not neglect.
So if you boycott know what will happen? Someone will just get that job, and no one will miss your additions at all. - sq2shooter, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8I am like you, a long time user of Windows but had a desire to give Ubuntu a try. Last week I loaded it on my Vaio laptop with XP and it has run perfectly ever since. I have no experience with the command line, so the learning curve may take a while.
- seandfeeney, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7FYI: This installer is still in alpha stages! Don't expect it to be 100%
- fac3less, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8dougsnell,
To be honest they can be. I've spent a week attempting to get one to work due to some hardware conflicts.
Whitebox, never had an issue with a distro before.
Debian also has a windows installer that requires nothing else:
http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ - nickstl77, on 10/12/2007, -6/+13I've always shyed away from Linux in the past and been a dyed in the wool 95, 98, 2000 and now XP user. I've always been interested in Linux OS's and thought they were probably superior in many ways, but to be frank I just don't have the spare time to spend hours attempting to get a working install of a Linux OS on any of my machines. I work about 60 hours a week and then have the wife and kids at home the occupy my free time, so I just kept my nose down and chugged along with XP, even knowing that there was most likely a Linux distro out there somewhere that I would fall in love with.
Then, last week, I saw the Ubuntu info. I went directly to their site and downloaded the install and Live CD. I read about how easy it would be and supposedly brought the "human factor" to Linux. It sounded like a brilliant idea and I was ready to jump on board, so I downloaded the ISO and exictedly booted from the CD to see what Ubuntu was all about.
Of course, the first boot bombed out with a cryptic error message. Ok, maybe it was just a fluke, so reboot. Second time, it gets farther, but then hangs for 2 hours and finally spits out another error message.
Sadly, I'm back to using XP again until someone can truly give me an install that will work on mainstream hardware (read HP laptops, HP desktops, etc..) without me having to spend hour upon hour modifying config files just to get a basic install on my machine. - darkpl, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Yes it will.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7This is hard to get set up on some systems, by the way.
Read the thread thoroughly. For some it will boot right up with no problems, for others it won't work.
Don't use this as an introduction to linux, it's very buggy and this is nowhere near a final release.
It's a nice step between a Live CD and dual booting, but for some it would actually be easier for some to just partition and dual boot.
most will add a small line to the boot.ini to be able to choose between OSes.
Also: Doesn't seem to work with Vista unless you're already dual booting XP. - spacebar14, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Alpha is the new beta 8-)
- redsox59, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6I'm not really sure what all the fuss is about. I had Windows XP and Ubuntu dual booting fine, upgraded to Vista and reset the MBR. No big deal everything went smoothly. I'm can't see the big difference from Vista and XP in that sense. Am I missing something?
- Ender2007, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Live CDs aren't hard to use, but they can be rather inconvenient. Suppose you only have 1 cd drive (maybe its an older computer...). If you are using a Live CD, then you can't plug in any other disks. Also, running off a CD can be rather slow. I would imagine that this would run a little faster than that.
- wvdavis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I installed Ubuntu two nights ago to dual boot with my Windows XP laptop. Ubuntu immediantly saw and mounted the NTFS (Windows) partition and was able to read from it. With the NTFS Configuration Tool you can also write to the NTFS partition. On the XP side you can get the Ext2 file system for Windows www.fs-driver.org that will let you access your Linux formated hard drive from Windows. I hope this helps.
- tont0r, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5@TomP
From the FAQ at the bottom:
Q. The bootloader doesn't show up at all, and it boots straight into windows
A. Make sure C:boot.ini has a "timeout" value higher than 0, and that this is the last line: C:grldr="Ubuntu" - tkstock, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I installed Ubuntu as dual-boot with XP on my main computer a week ago. The initial setup was difficult - the grub couldn't find the Ubuntu partition, and Windows wouldn't boot either. After modifying the grub, I got Ubuntu running ok, but Windows still wouldn't boot. After a day or so of banging my head on Google, I finally came across someone who changed their hard drive access to LBA (Large) in BIOS, and that change worked for them! I did the same on my PC, and that solved my problem! I was now dual-booting successfully. Apparently if your BIOS is set to auto detect your hard drive access, it will not work. You have to explicitly set it to LBA (or Large).
After installing the nVidia drivers multiple times (because the Beryl install screwed up the configuration) and hacking the heck out of my xorg.conf file, I finally got everything working great. Let me tell you, Vista hasn't got anything on Ubuntu with Beryl! Looks awesome! The main issues I've had are with the 3D games that are included with Ubuntu - over half of them don't work on my dual-screen setup with Beryl (don't know if this is a Beryl problem or a dual-screen problem)
I still boot to Windows predominantly to play games and because that's where all my "stuff" is, but I can imagine becoming more intertwined with Linux in the future... - darkpl, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Anyone knows if it is possible to install it without downloading necessary files? I would like to use CD instead, because I don't have too good connection.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Live CDs are really easy to use, but they're very slow compared to running from a hard drive - not a great advertisement: "I thought you said this Linux stuff was fast!"
A minimal and non-invasive install like this will allow Ubuntu to show itself off to the best advantage. - themastersb, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I cant download the torrent file. I get an error
- tonybeyondo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I did the live CD & tried out Ubuntu-
I liked a lot of the stuff including the way you can manipulate anything on the desktop tons more quickly & easily than XP. I have so many programs on my PC that I am used to running in an average day, that switching all of them (i.e. Photoshop, MS Office, Quickbooks, Cubase, Reason, Itunes, etc...) to Open Source alternatives would be hard/impossible.
I could see doing the switch if you have a computer with no OS pre-installed, and have not gotten used to using a bunch of Windows-based software packages. It is very slick.
My 2 cents. - jacobmiller, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4http://amarok.kde.org/
- UNL1M1T3D, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5@bobmysterio
We must not forget about the beer budget. Oh won't someone think of the beer! - CabajGTR, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Does anyone know if this work with NTFS windows partitions?
- dougsnell, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Not that this isn't kind of cool ... but are LiveCDs really that hard to use?
I can see this as an interim step for someone who like the CD but wants to get a little closer without destroying Windows. - biggbrother, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Perhaps some of you have never heard of antitrust law. Unless Microsoft can prove they are not a monopoly, they can't stop you from dual-booting. You're certainly not going to get far with a programming boycott.
Dual-booting with Vista is not trivial like with XP, but it's very easy to set up. - Haplo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Or just use the free VM Ware Player: http://johnbokma.com/mexit/2005/11/07/vmware-player-ubuntu-installation.html You can run Ubuntu and XP at the same time. Install Ubuntu, burn the virtual disk file of the freshly install on a DVD and you can experiment to your heart's content. If anything goes wrong with Ubuntu, just copy the virtual disk file back and start again.
- bmartin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Actually, the name is based on a South African name for "humanity toward others" and the color scheme is based on the colors of African tribal imagery. Complaining about the color is like complaining that the default station your radio was tuned to when they sold it to you played bad music. It's not very hard to change.
1. ubuntu's meaning: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_(Linux_distribution)#Usability
2. color "problem": Try going to "System > Preferences > Theme" to change your colors.
I can't think of a distribution or OS with a clever name. "Windows" isn't clever, unless you count the fact that it's easy to break. OS X? Deb + Ian = Debian? The word "ubuntu" and the Ubuntu distro's philosophy seem to line up pretty nicely. It's a little weird for me to pronounce (I got in the habit of saying yoo-BUHN-too; it's actually oo-BOON-too, like anyone non-American would have guessed), but other than that, I can't really say I have an issue with the name. - lowbot, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5>Vista hasn't got anything on Ubuntu
From the post it sounds like it still has ease of install going for it, not to mention games, commercial apps, etc. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5This has no affect if you install Vista first, right? It just deletes the master boot record on the initial install? It's stupid, yeah, but isn't the end of the world Definitely something that Microsoft should address but it probably isn't going to deter anyone from getting Vista, who wants it.
- sanford42, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@jacobmiller
yes... amaroK is SUCH a great program.
but if you're in a gnome environment, you might want to check out exaile. looks/runs just like amaroK, but it's geared for gnome instead of KDE. - democracysucks, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I thought the same thing. Until I talked to my sister about Ubuntu.
She needs an installer like this. Why? Because she has a gaming keyboard that GRUB doesn't recognize, so dual-booting hasn't worked for her (since she can't select between OSes without a keyboard). This sets her up using the Windows bootloader, no problem.
This is also how I got my ex to try Ubuntu. I gave her a copy of the CD, but she kept putting it off. As soon as I told her about this installer, she said, "Oh, I want to do that!" So she used the Windows installer. It makes it so that noobies (and lazy non-noobies, as well) can install Ubuntu without touching their Windows install, and can access all their stuff on their Windows drive no problem. - TomP, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3When i tried this nothing booted it was just booting into xp all the time
- ziadoz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2The problem with this is not everything functions correctly. None of my USB devices would function correctly, I had to configure my ethernet connection, dhclient and xserver before I could do anything. The idea is a good one, but suggesting its a solution for beginners to Linux is dumb, because its not.
Oh did I mention when you use the uninstaller in Control Panel > Add/Remove Programs it makes the Boot.ini a visible file, removing its protected OS file status. Handy for the average user who deletes anything they don't understand. ;) - shawnz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2oh quit your whining. an ubuntu kernel upgrade will reinstall grub anyway -- all you have to do is type 'grub setup' anyway.
- marioluigi123, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1It's because it only works on NTFS right now. It says on the page there - or maybe on the forum topic - that the filesystem of earlier Windows versions (non-NTFS) doesn't handle large (as in the Linux ISO image) files very well at all, and this could lead to system instability.
- bmartin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Sorry, I'm being ignorant. Easy Ubuntu only helps if you have an ATI or NVIDIA card. Both newer and older NVIDIA cards are supported.
- allencross, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Has anyone figured out how to expand the hard drive size. I would like to install some more programs on here. Everything works fine, I just wish the HD was a little bit larger.
- bobbothegrayson, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1i got it to work
but the screen resolution is stuck at 800x600
i went to the option to change it and the only other option was 640x480
and tips? - bmartin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Try installing the appropriate drivers for your graphics card. The "Easy Ubuntu" software will make this task much easier. Use Google to find it.
- Aliarse, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1In a terminal, type "sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf" - without the quotes obviously.
Scroll down until you find the "screen" section. Once there you'll see a modes section listing available screen resolutions. Add the ones you need/want, and save the file. Then hit CTRL + ALT + Backspace to restart GDM, login, then go back and look to see if the new resolutions are there for you to choose, if it doesn't already select the highest available supported res on login, which it normally does.
If that fails, you could also try reconfiguring x-server with this command "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg".
HTH. - gcodori, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1What you want is coLinux
http://www.colinux.org/
This allows you to run linux in windows WITHOUT virtual machines. Surprised more people don't know about this... - selrahc, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1So what should people be obsessed with? It still uses the Linux kernel you know...
- condormcs, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Not that this isn't kind of cool ... but are LiveCDs really that hard to use?
I can see this as an interim step for someone who like the CD but wants to get a little closer without destroying Windows."
reply: yes lets you save 0.02$ on a CD - diggsIt, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Disturbing Windows. That's redundant.
- Lorenz123, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1So messing with the MBR is better?
- mobilehavoc, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2The article is about introducing more people to Linux and all the comments contain is Microsoft FUD. Grow the ***** up already.
- dougsnell, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3@ender2007 and @democracysucks - If people are too lazy or impatient for LiveCDs, then modifying their boot.ini isn't really the wisest thing they could do.
@bigbrother - LiveCDs are a great way to "get a feel" for something without making any kind of commitment. It'll also boot faster, and you can more easily modify what is installed and save to disk.
Hey, I'm not saying this doesn't have some uses. I just have some major questions about the way this was presented by the poster. dcrawkstar says to forget dual booting and keep your system intact. Then the directions say to modify your boot.ini file. This is nothing like a LiveCD ... you're dual booting Ubuntu, and you could easily screw up your system by whacking something incorrectly in boot.ini.
WTF. - bobsmithhome, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Whoa! This isn't something an inexperienced user should try. Any program that messes with the boot.ini file is just asking for trouble. If you're just wanting to take a look at Ubuntu, just burn the CD and boot from it.
- tkstock, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I was referring to the eye-candy, not the functionality, hence the "looks awesome" comment.
I know that custom apps are harder to install, compatibility is an issue, etc. At this moment, I still prefer XP over Linux, but that arises mostly out of my lack of knowledge of Linux and my intimate knowledge of XP and most things M$.
That doesn't prevent me from giving Linux distros kudos where appropriate. The Beryl desktop is awesome. I was ogling it for hours after I got it fully configured. - Aliarse, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Do this in a terminal, adjust the 5000000 (5gig) for whatever size disk you'd like.
sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/media/windows/ubuntu/newhome.img bs=1000 count=0 seek=$[5000000]
sudo mkreiserfs -f /media/windows/ubuntu/newhome.img
sudo mkdir /media/ext3
sudo mount /media/windows/ubuntu/newhome.img -o loop -t reiserfs /media/ext3
sudo cp -r /home/* /media/ext3
sudo umount /media/ext3
sudo rm -r /media/ext3
sudo mv /media/windows/ubuntu/home.img /media/windows/ubuntu/oldhome.img
sudo mv /media/windows/ubuntu/newhome.img /media/windows/ubuntu/home.img - Aliarse, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Stick to windows you *****.
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