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- doubad, on 11/08/2008, -26/+106The numbers won't shrink, once a Linux user, always a Linux user.
- jhchrist, on 11/08/2008, -3/+80There are two ways that I can see this hurting Linux by slowing its adoption.
* If Windows 7 is lighter and faster than Vista, then it could erode Linux's market share in netbooks
* If Windows 7 is nicer to use than Vista, then it could reduce the number of people leaving windows for linux
The growth of linux in the future is important in getting OEM/Vendor support for hardware, and encouraging open standards. So while Windows 7 probably can't directly harm Linux all that much, it could very well stunt its growth. - EngineerX, on 11/08/2008, -21/+73I just started using linux and I agree
"... once a Linux userr,always a Linux user."
Word - argylesocks, on 11/09/2008, -3/+33As netbooks drop below $80 or so there wont be a competition anymore. Vendors wont pay more for the software than they will for the hardware and with those prices, paying anything for an OS is too much.
- NixiePixel, on 11/08/2008, -12/+42I think the trend toward Linux began before Vista, and will continue after Vista. Windows 7 may be all of lighter, faster, and nicer to use than Vista, but that won't make it lighter, faster, or cheaper than Linux. As Linux distributions continue to become easier for new users to handle, adoption should increase. Windows 7 may be better than Vista, but as a Microsoft product, it will likely still be highly bloated and horrendously expensive compared to Linux.
- precip, on 11/09/2008, -6/+31You underestimate Microsoft. They will lower the price of Windows as much as necessary to sustain their user base. Most customers will continue to prefer what they're familiar with already.
- subigo, on 11/09/2008, -9/+32Too bad Linux can't teach you how to click the correct "Reply" link.
- inactive, on 11/09/2008, -5/+28It won't.
- shrewduser, on 11/09/2008, -1/+23can i just point out that linux dabblers are different to linux users.
- Zaphrod, on 11/09/2008, -1/+19Then you are not a Linux user.
- m4csrgh3yk3v, on 11/09/2008, -8/+22Posting in a BS thread. I've run Slackware, Redhat, Mandrake, Ubuntu.
95, 98 and XP were always my staples because they were simpler and more productive for what I would use them for typically. - init100, on 11/09/2008, -1/+14You don't become a Linux user by trying it for two hours and then going back to Windows.
- cutchyacokov, on 11/09/2008, -0/+12IIRC Linus runs some Apple hardware but he runs Linux on it.
- elipabst, on 11/09/2008, -2/+13You have a point, Windows has way more viruses, worms and trojans than Linux ever will.
- inactive, on 11/09/2008, -0/+11 Not me. I'd never go back to Windows. Too many things about it just irritate me.
I'm quite happy with Linux and come Dec.,I will have used it 4 years. - goober1473, on 11/09/2008, -0/+11How exactly does a free OS get killed by an OS with a fee under a commercial model?
And what about the server space? - cannonball, on 11/09/2008, -1/+11The real question is how will Windows 7 affect netbooks?
Pre-installed Windows 7 is going to jack up the price of netbooks. I'd rather save my money, but it might not be an option in the future. - elipabst, on 11/09/2008, -2/+12Jesus Christ, how about you get back on your meds and lighten the hell up Francis.
- inactive, on 11/09/2008, -1/+11 That's not been my experience.
It's not over hyped either. it's a good,solid OS.
No activation BS.
I can put it on multiple machines.
No DRM.
No WGA.
No nasty infestations.
Nice gui.
Powerful apps.
Fast and intuitive. - subigo, on 11/09/2008, -16/+25I went back to XP after two years of Mint.
- ProfChaosOmega, on 11/09/2008, -1/+10Im pretty damn sure there's no correlation between Win7 and linux. Why people keep bring the subject up, I dunno.
- psion01, on 11/09/2008, -5/+14Nonsense ... I'll use the best operating system for the job ... where job is defined as a combination of three-d graphics, networking, web development and programming, and overall security. All at a reasonable price. For the most part, that means Linux to me right now, but if Windows improves sufficiently and comes down a lot in price, I'll give it another try.
- svivian, on 11/09/2008, -3/+12I'm expecting Linux distros to implement their own version of jump lists before W7 is even released. It's the only worthwhile new feature in my eyes - and is great IMO - everything else is pretty much already done in Linux.
- 3242130193, on 11/08/2008, -13/+22Sure, Windows 7 can kill Linux for COMMERCIAL purposes. The biggest reason that it's so strong in the netbook market is because it filled an empty niche. A bigger competitor like Windows 7 could probably kick it out, especially with Microsoft's lovely corporate bribes.
But it could never displace Linux for the real reason it's there. There are things you can do on Linux that you could never do with Windows. You can't customize Windows, you have no control over what it does and you'll die from viruses, trojans and other attacks. That's why Linux will always be around. It's not all about money guys. - reconsldr74d, on 11/09/2008, -1/+10Well the beautifull thing about Linux is, for the most part, it doesn't really matter if it becomes mainstream or not. I use Linux because I love. Not because of advertisements or marketing or 'acceptance'. Many people use it because they like it. Frankly I don't see a need to ask for more.
BTW... Someone who can't install Ubuntu probably can't install Windows either... In fact I would say that Ubuntu is easier to install and takes less time. So do SUSE, Slackware and Fedora for that matter, - phaoloo, on 11/09/2008, -6/+14Linux will be linux. I love Linux style.
- DreadKnight, on 11/09/2008, -3/+11Indeed. No matter how great windows 7 will be, be damn assured I won't give up Linux for it.
Signed, a Kubuntu Intrepid user. - inactive, on 11/09/2008, -4/+12WHO THE ***** CARES?
- jhchrist, on 11/09/2008, -1/+9It really depends on what you're looking at:
Linux has been playing catch-up with Windows in terms of Windows compatibility (nothing is more Windows compatible than Windows), as well as ease of use and familiarity for novice users (pre-installation is a huge help for Windows)
On the other hand, there are a number of areas where Windows has been playing catch-up as well, such as having a sane user model, file system structure, security, and configurability. - mikeabundo, on 11/09/2008, -3/+11Windows needs to be idiotproof. Linux does not. As long as people keep learning, Linux will keep growing.
- inactive, on 11/09/2008, -0/+8I've run Linux on Mac for years. OSX is a good try, but just doesn't have the functionality I need. Linus uses Mac hardware running Linux because he was given a couple of free Macs to evaluate, and didn't have to give them back. Like me, he didn't like OSX, but found the hardware to be OK.
- inactive, on 11/09/2008, -0/+8I've tried it and it also fits those 2 things you describe. You can tell they are targeting the netbook market hard. But i believe it will just bring more innovation from all os's , Competition is good, because in the end, we win
- cheeseplease, on 11/09/2008, -0/+8For me it's the other way around, since I started using linux I use the computer too damn much. Installing different distros, tweaking the hell out of it, trying the vast amounts of open source applications...
- noelsusman, on 11/09/2008, -3/+10Soo... did your father beat you before or after you were released from the mental hospital?
- amoeba, on 11/09/2008, -1/+8linux is fun to use.
- barius, on 11/09/2008, -0/+7The average person has never heard of Apache either, but anyone that's browsed the Internet has used it.
Also, the average person had never heard of MS 20 years ago either but brilliant marketing changed that.
Linux will grow, I know because I see Linux advertised everywhere these days even if it's not in the traditional way. All this 'discussion' about MS vs. Apple vs. Ubuntu is all just great advertising for Linux. In a world where no body knows your name, even negative advertising is good advertising ;) - mrsteveman1, on 11/09/2008, -4/+11If the software is significantly more usable, yes they will.
See: return of linux netbooks. That is happening for a reason. - DrLeePhD, on 11/09/2008, -4/+11so you're gonna be using xp forever? I hung with windows 95 OSR2 way past it's time and then got dragged to 98. Linux wasn't as far along as it is now. if you haven't used it in a year you maybe should re-evaluate it before you begrudgingly end up having to switch to vista or seven when they stop making XP security updates.
- noelsusman, on 11/09/2008, -1/+8You have no idea what you're talking about. The minimum requirements to run Ubuntu are a 300 MHz x86 processor 64 MB of RAM, which is the same as Windows XP. You can buy computers without an operating system, so you are paying for the operating system even if it is included in the price of the computer. Also, I would like to know why exactly you think Ubuntu has more bloat than Windows. Yes, Ubuntu is becoming more robust in order to increase usability, but the great thing about linux is that there are hundreds of other distributions to choose from.
- JonForTheWin, on 11/09/2008, -2/+9Yeah 'cause windows will totally boot up over a read-only NFS export then mount tmpfs on top of that with unionFS so that you can provide an NX client to all 200 of your diskless workstations so they may connect to your NX server that is backed by SSDs with MFT acceleration in a RAID5 array.
Oh wait . . no it ***** won't - and never mind, you're a windows user, as if you'll remotely understand what the ***** I'm talking about. You just have fun with your computer now, never mind us in the corporate environment who managed to give users the power of a $2,000 for $100 each. =) - JonForTheWin, on 11/09/2008, -2/+9With most of the Linux kernel contributions coming from the world's largest corporations . . that's absolutely right, only hobbyists care about Linux.
- sexybobo, on 11/09/2008, -3/+9I can't play the Left 4 Dead demo on linux so I am using windows.
- septicmadman, on 11/09/2008, -1/+7I think it the non-developer Linux user base who question why Linux adoption is so low. I would also venture that installing an operating system such as Ubuntu/Suse could not get any easier unless burning the iso turned it into a robot that did the install for you.
- septicmadman, on 11/09/2008, -1/+7The group that finds a linux distro hard to install also find windows difficult to install. Nothing wrong with that, but acceptance will only be gained through increased acceptance by the tech community who assists the non-tech savvy. The only good way a large chunk of the market can be gained is through preinstalled sales to the consumer base.
- inactive, on 11/09/2008, -1/+7...and just what makes everyone so sure Microsoft is gonna be so good this time around?
Microsoft is again counting their chickens before they're hatched. - barius, on 11/09/2008, -4/+10I use Linux because I value my time.
Windows takes longer to install (assuming you install it yourself at all, Linux can be bought pre-installed too though).
Windows comes with hobbled built-in utilities. E.g. the disk burning utility is pathetic, Ubuntu comes with Brasero which can do *anything* and more. Another example is the ability to create encrypted folders in Ubuntu 8.10, a feature which Win7 will still lack.
Windows has no useful shell. As a programmer the Linux shell actually makes for a very decent IDE with only minimal tweaks.
Installing codecs (e.g. QuickTime, DivX), browser plugins, and other 3rd party addons is often difficult in Windows. Ubuntu makes such installs simple and automatic, and often doesn't require bulky 3rd party software (e.g. QuickTime and DivX codecs are installed into the Totem media player without the need for the QuickTime application or the DivX player).
Frankly, if you really think Windows takes less time then it's only because you have someone else to look after the maintenance for you. Be honest, did you really install Windows, Office, codecs, utilities and all that yourself, or did you buy a pre-installed machine and have a tech or child do all the config for you?
Clearly you cannot have ever used Ubuntu. - noerrorsfound, on 11/09/2008, -1/+7You can't? :-s Source games usually work.
- jasmus, on 11/09/2008, -0/+6Part of the appeal of netbooks is the price, if Microsoft charge too much for Windows 7 on netbooks, it won't sell and companies will continue to use linux. You can get small / light / portable laptops that run Vista now, but they generally cost more than the bigger / heavier ones.
- roxgod666, on 11/09/2008, -3/+9You are not using the beta. You are using some alpha version that is basically a little fix of Vista. The beta will only come out in January
- DJManilaIce, on 11/09/2008, -2/+8Who cares? If Microsoft has to advertise on why they don't suck, that's a problem.
With everything being able to be done over the net (office, chat, media streaming, etc), mobile devices leading the way soon, and everything being OS agnostic for the most part, who cares in the end.
Ubuntu is just alright with me. -
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