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- Phocion55, on 10/12/2007, -8/+75When I buy a DVD....I make the assumption that I can play it wherever I damn well please....whether it be an "official" DVD player or something MacGuyver made out of a hub cap, uncooked noodles, and a rusty spork.
- falstaff, on 10/12/2007, -3/+26DVD is not technically an open standard. The format is owned and licensed to manufacturers and authors of hardware and software by the DVD Forum. It's like digital jaywalking. There are some legal questions, but nobody really enforces it.
- schestowitz, on 10/12/2007, -3/+24@ redDEADresolve, by your logic, you are bound to become slave to predatory commerce. Here are some recent articles for your 'reading list'.
Unwise Hollywood laws hurting U.S. industry
http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/76169/index.html
Who do You Trust with Your Computing?
,----[ Quote ]
| Helios was speaking out against trusted computing (TC) and Digital
| Rights Management (DRM) that is humming softly at the hardware and
| software level inside YOUR computer right now. That's right! Chances
| are, it's already made it on a chip on your and my motherboards...but
| it's there. Soon, if what can happen does happen...we'll all be so
| very unhappy at being told how we can and can't operate our PCs.
|
| Some of you may be asking, "what the heck are you talking about?
| They can't tell me how I can use my computer inside my own home".
| Unfortunately, that statement is false. DRM chips are already on a
| majority of motherboards and even built into some processors (viiv
| anyone?). All it takes is a flip of the switch and you'll do what
| Microsoft or any other company that wants to manage your rights
| for you tells you to do whether you like it or not. That is, of
| course, unless you use Linux :) Linux has always been about
| choice...we choose to compute in ways WE want to...not ways
| that are defined for us.
`----
http://linux-blog.org/index.php?/archives/176-Who-do-You-Trust-with-Your-Computing.html - wombat767, on 10/27/2007, -2/+23You aren't paying for the "right" to watch your own property when you buy other OS's, your paying for the software. I read an article a long time ago where an MIT grad student was interviewing some politician about new DVD encryption legislation. The MIT student said that he new how to make an HDTV himself (remember, this was several years ago), but that he wouldn't legally be aloud to make his own tv. Why can't people who want a nice tv be able to make it for themselves? Why should people who buy a DVD have to pay for the software to play it? It is a ridiculous proprietary scheme to make extra money off of the hardware. If you have the hardware, you should be able to watch whatever you want.
- OmegaNine, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16God I remember when Digg used to be full of little tech tips like this (True this one is a lil old), it was nice to open up a browser and see a bunch of tips and tricks. Kinda miss those days. Even the tech section has kind of gotten mucked up :o(
- greyfade, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13None of this is the fault of Ubuntu.
The MP3 format is still under patent restrictions, enforced by the Fraunhoffer Institute. Thus, in any country that recognizes software patents (including the US, several EU countries, and others) any MP3 player that is not licensed by Fraunhoffer is illegal. (Ogg Vorbis and FLAC are not under any such restrictions, and so are free for any use anywhere in the world.)
DVDs are typically encrypted using the CSS scheme. Under the US DMCA (and similar laws worldwide), decryption of DVDs is illegal. Merely /attempting/ to read a DVD is a federal crime in the US. (I just watched two DVDs last night on my Linux box, so I've committed multiple offenses under US federal law.) Not to mention the patent issues with AAC and the patents that still cover MPEG-2 video compression...
THAT is why Ubuntu and other commercial distributions of Linux don't include a DVD player. Not even Microsoft wants to put a licensed decoder in their OS - it would cost too much money. It's simply ILLEGAL for them to provide it in the default distribution.
If you want to have Ubuntu play DVDs out of the box, then get the DMCA (and similar laws in your home country, if applicable) repealed. END. OF. DISCUSSION. - nxusername, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14VLC is your friend.
- AnteChronos, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14"How to enable DVD playback on Ubuntu:"
Two problems with that.
1) It doesn't enable DVD playback on Ubuntu, since you've removed Ubuntu from the equation. But I'm sure you knew that. However...
2) Windows doesn't play DVDs out of the box either, so your "solution" has me stuck with a fresh Windows install and STILL unable to play my DVD. - joelito, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13liked the command
[quote]sudo /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/./install-css.sh[/quote]
That worked alright, Didn't even knew it existed.
As for the right to play dvd's, well, I payed for the Hardware that I use to play it. And I better have to have the right to use _MY_ hardware to watch movies. - humanchimp, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10"In my opinion the restriction ... violates my rights"
LOL - coolguy2k, on 10/12/2007, -5/+12it's called automatix
- timmytheraw, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9@spoonyluv
I think it's a little more like
Get Windows XP CD.
Insert in drive.
Install.
Download/Install DVD codec(s) and/or WinDVD clone
Watch DVD.
Or
Get Linux CD
Insert into drive
Install
apt-get install vlc
Watch DVD.
Both are just as easy. - danielwsmithee, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Not to mention that you pay the same price. You just don't get to use the software you payed for. So yes you have payed for the right to play it you have just chosen a different method of playback.
- 2L84ME, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8@PleaseJustDie
I think they're pretty neat! - greyfade, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6The issue isn't just the hardware. Also at issue is the point that it's legally uncertain whether you actually own that DVD you just bought. Even further, the shortsightedness of the DMCA has made all decryption a crime - so even if you can legaly establish that you are the owner of the DVD, you still are not allowed to decode it, even for personal viewing, unless you either own a CSS license or have licensed DVD player software.
Petition the government to have these laws repealed instead of just bitching about it. - rubberpants, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5A while back InterVideo announced that they were going to make a legal DVD player for Linux.
http://archives.cnn.com/2000/TECH/computing/11/15/linux.dvd.idg/
However, six years later they still don't have one. It's only available for "embedded" devices.
http://www.intervideo.com/jsp/LinDVD.jsp
They say that, "We are actively engaged with the Linux community, Linux platform manufacturers, and DVD content providers to deliver a robust, high quality DVD software player solution. "
Which is the weak link in that chain? - Phocion55, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8@spoonyluv:
Just go back to the Windows section of Digg and stop trolling.
Ah, right...silly me - there isn't one. - king1337, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6@spoonyluv
I'll take Ubuntu over Windows any day. Just because they have what you call 90+ of the market share doesn't make it a better OS. - evilgod69, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5@ wintermute0
mp3 decoding and encoding is NOT closed source. the only restrictions on it are the patents. - gratuit, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I almost don't like tips like this posted this publicly because many people won't even read the hint, they will just assume that it is hard to get DVDs to play in ubuntu, when in fact it's trivial. Many people(digg crowd most likely excepted) won't even realize that windows doesn't come with the ability to play DVDs either. Post tips and tricks that are non-trivial and hard to find howtos on, not things that might make people unfamiliar with the process think you need a howto for something that is this easy.
- dgh1973, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4More to the point on what I said above, windows does not give you DVD playback software, that comes with the DVD drive, therefor you buy the drive you paid for a player. You're talking nonsense if you think that is paid for at the OS level because it's not.
- skidzilla, on 10/27/2007, -0/+4sudo apt-get install vlc
- crazybrit, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Hahaha I hope you die in a car wreck.
As people have probably said above, it's not Linux's fault it can't play DVDs; it's the fact that DVDs' Content scrambling system (encryption) is proprietary. - smeager, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Here is a screenshot of it running in Ubuntu 6.10
http://img224.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lindvdubuntulo3.png
(and yes that is Beerfest playing) - smeager, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Actually they did release it but only in OEM form to linux vendors (Mandriva 2007 Powerpack retail has it) who purchase it from Intervideo. It will only be on versions of Linux that you have to purchase, thus paying for a DVD CSS playback license.
I have a copy of it running on my Ubuntu box and it's not the prettiest app in the world but it works. - ordminute, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I support little HOWTO's like this being dugg but really, this is all well documented under the first few links seen in Firefox when you've just installed Ubuntu. ie:
http://help.ubuntu.com
For the lazy, that just want to get going, download this and click two or three times to have a fully multimedia capable machine. Just like Windows, Ubuntu doesn't ship with DVD playback support:
http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/
- dgh1973, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"When you bought the disc you bought it on the contingency that you would have to buy a player of sorts to play them. If you're upset you should have never bought the discs in the first place."
I paid for my computer parts, including a DVD drive - therefor I paid for the player. You bought an OS that spies on you, that's your problem not mine. Stop trying to act like I'm a pirate or getting something for nothing just because I don't conform to your draconian ideals of how people should be using (or getting used by, rather) their computers. Besides, where's that precious DVD playback software in your windows system? Though so.
Anyhow, thanks to the weak encryption methods that were broken by a 16 year old boy DVD playback is very easy to enable, I'm surprised there is even an article on this.
It's called automatix people! - FISHMANPET, on 10/12/2007, -7/+9DVD drives already come with DVD player software for Windows. I think if it came with software for Linux, there would be no problem.
- evilgod69, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2automatix is not supported by the ubuntu devs... it is well known for causing issues during upgrades. if you try to get support because ubuntu broke during an upgrade and they find out you used automatix, they'll ignore you.
see
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue22
or contact one of the ubuntu devs - sanguinemoon, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3When you buy a copy of XP, you aren't paying for the right to play a DVD. Windows does not have DVD playback out of the box, you *****. When you purchase a copy of XP, you're purchasing a license to use XP and nothing more
I've always found every form of multimedia more trivial to use in *nix than in Windows. In *nix, you can get every codec known to man and libdvdcss in one. To my knowledge, you can't go this in Windows. This tutorial is lame though, the better idea would be instructing on how to install the "all" codecs from mplayer. - trogdoor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I like that there are many useful Ubuntu howto's on Digg as it helps new users, but I wonder if that is making people think that these things aren't documented, because 99% of them are.
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
has instructions on enabling DVD playback as whell as playing every other format you could think of.
help.ubuntu.com has had instructions on how to do almost everything I have seen on Digg yet many seem to think they need to re-invent the wheel on their own personal blog. Again, in and of itself there is no problem with this, as in this case the instructions linked too in this story are identical to the the official instructions on help.ubuntu.com, but most of the time,unfortunately, these guides are either out of date or flat out DANGEROUS. Many times these independent guides suggest things like installing Red Hat RPM's with Alien, compiling programs from source when in fact they are available in the default repositories and other worse things, and thus people who don't know any better break their machines and get the false impression that Ubuntu is unstable and are driven back to Windows, we should encourage use of the official documentation and if what you want to make a tutorial for is not available in the official documentation you should add it to the official wiki: wiki.ubuntu.com so that it can be reviewed by others and updated for changes that may occur that would break those instructions in the future. IMHO the only reason you would put a tutorial is to increase traffic to your blog, which I would call spam.
/rant - hbpencil, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1VLC media player
- TritonX, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1While an almost interesting post. All your points are just impossible the way linux is.
Point #1, What is so complicated with apt-get? there is an ADD/REMOVE right in the UI for the most popular application and Synaptic for a really detailed listing of packages available. Almost all distro I think nowaday uses something similar, so you keep your programs up to date without having to search for updates. And there are apps that you can download and do just like in OSX, move the folder to your apps dir and execute some script.
Point #2. See all post about the legality of it.
Point #3. What you say is just wrong... there cannot be only one because of the way it's built. Though interoperability between them is very easy, much more than say windows and OSX. - Sabin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Appealing to the "ID10T" user is exactly what Linux needs to do. You want better support from hardware vendors and software producers then you are going to need to create an actual market for them to sell to. Linux in its current form is still inaccessible to the vast majority of users. Ubuntu is trying to change that and you make it out to be a bad thing when you actually stand to benefit from it. So my question to you is are you retarded or just an elitist prick?
- mabhatter, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Wrong!! You paid for a license to view DVDs when you bought your DVD rom drive with that little "DVD" logo on it. Part of the price included the cost of the software license, that's why you get a PowerDVD or CyberDVD disc with each drive you buy. BUT.. somebody wanted to grab some extra control so they make the ability to play movies a separate software component from the hardware you already paid for... cause they want to "license" to you with extra restrictions.
In reality DVDs play just fine on Vanilla Ubuntu. The ones my DVD recorder makes (without CSS) work perfectly!!! It's about 5 lines of code that the DVD cabal don't want you to have called de-CSS.
As a side note, Billy doesn't include DVD playback At ALL (not even without CSS!) in Windows either because they're too cheap to actually pay per-copy for the license... funny eh! King of licensing doesn't like to PAY for licenses!! The trouble with Linux is that the "shiny disc" with the software you PAID for to run the DVD doesn't typically work on a Linux install. - Rosco, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1how do you install VLC in Linux/Ubuntu?
- Argus2m, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I look at this way. I bought the DVD -ROM, they gave me software to watch movies on my computer. But oops it doesn't work on Linux. So I'll just make it work. I did pay for the license to watch the movies.
- pointNumberOne, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3"The Windows section of Digg is called technology - welcome to 90+ market share."
It's gotta be closer to 89% by now... I just switched the other day ;) - pufuwozu, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2libdvdcss2 isn't in the default repositories. It is kind of hard to use that method.
- benow, on 05/20/2009, -0/+0irrationality favours the rational. That which is made public is.
- sanguinemoon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0It's not only hurting the image of Ubuntu to have how-tos like this dugg so highly. For me, it's actually starting to hurt my opinion of Digg itself. The reason is, topics like this are very well covered help.ubuntu.com. Regardless of your OS or distro, be it Windows, OSX, any of the hundreds of Linux distro's, or my choice which is a form of FreeBSD, Read The ***** Manual!
Now for a little shameless self promotion:
http://www.digg.com/linux_unix/How_to_Breathe_While_Using_Ubuntu_Linux
I wrote a little satire on all the lame how-tos - bf124, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Here is a nice "How to" to setup Multimedia on ubuntu.
http://www.ehomeupgrade.com/entry/2663/how-to_get_full - sanguinemoon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"They say that, "We are actively engaged with the Linux community, Linux platform manufacturers, and DVD content providers to deliver a robust, high quality DVD software player solution. "
Which is the weak link in that chain?"
I would say the DVD content providers are definitely the weak link in the chain. I don't understand this thinking that the users are criminals by default. If I try to play a legally purchased DVD in FreeBSD system, by default it means that I want to rip and pirate it? I might want to rip it for my own use as a backup, but who is that hurting? Nobody.
I can just imagine RIAA and MPAA executives. "The users, they're all pirates aren't they? They played that DVD on the computer, they're gonna burn a million copies and sell them in Mexico. They're all filthy, aren't they? All covered in germs, aren't they?......" (removes clothes and walks around in with just kleenex boxes are their feet)
I kid, of course. But, even though there certainly is "piracy" going on, if you make a qulity product people will want to buy it. - stappawho, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1While I think it's stupid, I would hardly call it a *right*
- dhughes, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1 The standard Ubuntu should be made with this enabled by default.
Maybe there should be a restricted "freedomless" distribution of Ubuntu for anyone in the US (or any other country where enabling non-commercial DVD playback is forbidden) who wants to download it but can't because of US laws. - stmiller, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1^You are missing my point. Is 'install the DVD libdvdcss to play DVDs' really a significant how-to? And the fact that this gets 581 diggs. These two things are what makes Ubuntu really seem like a distro for newbs, in a bad way. It is HURTING the image of Ubuntu- making it seem like only ID10T users use it.
And the fact that DVD playback for Ubuntu has been covered on digg and all over the ubuntu forum endless times.
Here's the next story on digg which will get 600+ diggs:
Digg title: HOW-TO browse the web in Ubuntu
Which links to a page that says:
apt-get install firefox
Digg!!! - TritonX, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Plz. if your ignorant about a subject, don't discuss it.
- Irimi, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I'm just going to boycott DVD's.
- ahildoer, on 02/16/2009, -0/+0Just use this, it works every time for all versions of Ubuntu:
Enabled DVD Playback in Ubuntu in ONE Command
http://www.hildoersystems.com/index.php?option=com ... -
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